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Linux has gotten a rave review from Jason Evangelho after giving it a two week trial on his Dell XPS 13. Jason wandered into the Linux rabbit hole after 350GB of time sensitive data during a file transfer that was interrupted by an unannounced Windows 10 update and blue screen. He found that Linux was a much easier OS to install and deal with than before because of the addition of new features like the Ubuntu Snap Store. Snaps allow a user to look through a catalog of useful software and choose what fits their needs. In his followup article he discusses 5 reasons to give Linux a try. Good read for those of us tired of popups telling us that Edge is faster than Chrome.

Level One Techs has an article on how to configure your PC for Linux gaming. They even delve into running games in a VM.
Phoronix has compared Linux to Windows 10 using an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X. Also there is an Dell XPS 13 notebook that enters the fray with another Linux vs Windows 10 shootout. Fight!

Relatively new to Linux are "Snaps." These are universal packages that install easily across various distributions like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian and others. The Snap Store contains a ridiculous amount of apps to choose from, and not just the "open source clones" you may associate Linux with. Spotify, Telegram, Slack, Blender, VLC, OBS Studio, stuff like that are there.

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With DXVK for Wine im not sure the old KVM thing is really necessary for most people unless you require exacting performance, which of course requires a lot more setup and a windows installation.. which kind of defeats the point.



It's only a new project ( which some people have speculated is funded by Valve ) but it has reached a point where the majority of DX11 games are very playable.
 
The Dell XPS 13 was part of Project Sputnik, it shouldn't be a surprise that it gave good performance under Linux. I'm a Penguinista through-and-through but that's a little bit cherry-picked! :sneaky:
 
I've been testing out gaming in Linux for the last few weeks, and it still lags FAR behind Windows. I could play a few 3D Linux native games, but they weren't accelerated by the GPU. I couldn't actually find a single Linux game that was more than DOS level 3D. I tried configuring and using WINE, but that was a total failure. Using VMs to game in Windows was mildly successful, in that I could actually get all my games to install and some to run, unlike WINE, but most still failed to run, and those that did run had a major performance penalty. So, no, gaming in Linux still sucks.
 
Two OS enter, One OS leave does not quite have the same ring to it...
 
DukenukemX said:
Wendell from level1techs did a video for Linus Tech Tips that explains the current state of gaming on Linux, which I'm already playing around with Dxvk and Gallium-Nine.

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Yeah and he didn't help push gaming on Linux in that video.
 
"Jason wandered into the Linux rabbit hole after losing 350GB of data during a file transfer that was interrupted by an unannounced Windows 10 update and blue screen."​
Meet the moar stable, moar faster, moar better Windows 10. /s
 
dgingeri said:
I've been testing out gaming in Linux for the last few weeks, and it still lags FAR behind Windows. I could play a few 3D Linux native games, but they weren't accelerated by the GPU. I couldn't actually find a single Linux game that was more than DOS level 3D. I tried configuring and using WINE, but that was a total failure. Using VMs to game in Windows was mildly successful, in that I could actually get all my games to install and some to run, unlike WINE, but most still failed to run, and those that did run had a major performance penalty. So, no, gaming in Linux still sucks.
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Then you didn't have something configured correctly. I have beaten RotTR, Deus Ex: Mankind Divided: well over 1000 hours of War Thunder, Company of Heroes 2, Pillars of Eternity, about half my Steam library is linux native. I have even played Battlefield 1 in wine with DXVK online. Its not at Windows level, but its made it quite far in recent years.
 
If any of you want some tips, or have questions about, gaming on Linux. Let me know.

I can significantly contribute to this topic, and I'm currently in the initial phases of creating YouTube content showing how actually easy it is, even better than the LTT/Wendel collab (omfg that was cringy at times).

BTW, check this out : https://hardforum.com/threads/bloodyiron-on-linux-gaming-youtube.1964861/
 
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kju1 said:
Clearly he doesnt have any backups....noob.
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Does Linux install uodates and force reboots while a user is using their computer?
I never "move" files. It's always Copy first, then delete source.
what's this backup thing you speak of /s
 
BloodyIron said:
If any of you want some tips, or have questions about, gaming on Linux. Let me know.

I can significantly contribute to this topic, and I'm currently in the initial phases of creating YouTube content showing how actually easy it is, even better than the LTT/Wendel collab (omfg that was cringy at times).
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Maybe start a thread as a bit of a log?

I wouldn't mind following along!
 
Jim Kim said:
Does Linux install uodates and force reboots while a user is using their computer?
I never "move" files. It's always Copy first, then delete source.
what's this backup thing you speak of /s
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Backups are internet ftp sites according to Linus ;)
 
BloodyIron said:
If any of you want some tips, or have questions about, gaming on Linux. Let me know.

I can significantly contribute to this topic, and I'm currently in the initial phases of creating YouTube content showing how actually easy it is, even better than the LTT/Wendel collab (omfg that was cringy at times).
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IdiotInCharge said:
Maybe start a thread as a bit of a log?

I wouldn't mind following along!
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I agree!
 
I'd prefer to keep credit and such on a site I'm building. But yeah, I want to create engagement about such things, and present the areas where it's actually awesome (I do know there are areas for improvement for gaming on Linux).

Any particular things you would want to see in such stuff? (video content, website content, etc)

Check this out : https://hardforum.com/threads/bloodyiron-on-linux-gaming-youtube.1964861/

IdiotInCharge said:
Maybe start a thread as a bit of a log?

I wouldn't mind following along!
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cageymaru said:
Linux has gotten a rave review from Jason Evangelho after giving it a two week trial on his Dell XPS 13. Jason wandered into the Linux rabbit hole after losing 350GB of data during a file transfer that was interrupted by an unannounced Windows 10 update and blue screen. He found that Linux was a much easier OS to install and deal with than before because of the addition of new features like the Ubuntu Snap Store. Snaps allow a user to look through a catalog of useful software and choose what fits their needs. In his followup article he discusses 5 reasons to give Linux a try. Good read for those of us tired of popups telling us that Edge is faster than Chrome.

Level One Techs has an article on how to configure your PC for Linux gaming. They even delve into running games in a VM.
Phoronix has compared Linux to Windows 10 using an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X. Also there is an Dell XPS 13 notebook that enters the fray with another Linux vs Windows 10 shootout. Fight!

Relatively new to Linux are "Snaps." These are universal packages that install easily across various distributions like Ubuntu, Linux Mint, Debian and others. The Snap Store contains a ridiculous amount of apps to choose from, and not just the "open source clones" you may associate Linux with. Spotify, Telegram, Slack, Blender, VLC, OBS Studio, stuff like that are there.
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Somebody didn't read the article.

"A few weeks ago during a time-sensitive 350GB file transfer, Windows 10 rebooted without warning. When the OS restarted I was greeted with an infuriating blue screen that had become all too familiar. No, not that infuriating blue screen. The one that declares "Working On Updates." It was, as they say, the last straw."

Nowhere does it say he lost data, just that a reboot happened in the middle of a file transfer.
 
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dgingeri said:
I've been testing out gaming in Linux for the last few weeks, and it still lags FAR behind Windows. I could play a few 3D Linux native games, but they weren't accelerated by the GPU.
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What were these games and why weren't they accelerated?
I couldn't actually find a single Linux game that was more than DOS level 3D.
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Seriously? You couldn't find a single game off native Linux Steam to play a modern game on Linux? Not Deus Ex: Mankind Divided or Portal 2? I have Brutal Legend working on Linux natively from Steam.
I tried configuring and using WINE, but that was a total failure. Using VMs to game in Windows was mildly successful, in that I could actually get all my games to install and some to run, unlike WINE, but most still failed to run, and those that did run had a major performance penalty. So, no, gaming in Linux still sucks.
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I honestly don't believe you've done half the stuff that you said you did. What game you tried to get working on Wine? What version of Wine did you use? What VM did you try to use, cause VM's weren't designed to play games so 3D performance is going to suck.
 
But but but... it's still Linux and some of us will never find that acceptable no matter who makes it, no matter who professes over it, no matter what DE, window manager, theme engine, or coat of paint gets slapped on top of it 'cause we do know Linux is just a kernel and not an OS, right? :p

Hell, I installed Ubuntu 16.04 yesterday on my ThinkPad T420s and had crashes and other issues before I could fully update once the installation was done. I moved to Ubuntu 18.04 and got the same crashes, oddly enough.

Not once in 10,000+ Windows 7 installations have I ever had such BS occur before I could get the OS to a useful state, and I haven't seen a BSOD in 4+ years so, sometimes shit goes wrong, sometimes it doesn't.

Also, the author of the article simply stated the machine rebooted during the 350GB data transfer, I don't see anywhere in the article that he lost any data at all, just that it was a time sensitive operation and obviously it failed because of the reboot/update bullshit.
 
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for the amount of "grief" MSFT has caused their customers (big and small) since the very first windows to the most recent one (Win 10) one would figure they would use their heads to avoid causing problems such as spamming the "use this instead of that" or forced update BS or pastel colored occupy a massive portion of the screen type crud.

maybe by the time win 7 is no longer officially supported in any way MSFT will have "grown up" and stop being tools.

they want every computer possibly using it, that is fine, but they really need to not be putzes about what they are doing or preventing others from doing.

they make the OS, not the computers the OS is on, if your browser is not "as good" as competitors browsers, if your graphics core is not as robust, whatever, worry about the base OS not all this other wonky shit that does not need to be there, ahem Cortana.

Google may not be a "saint" and do stupid things as well, but I have had far far far more stability and "it just works" for browser with them than have had with MSFT, Gmail while I do not like the way it "looks" at least I do not have the spam crap I have to deal with in hotmail/outlook.

MSFT OS could be significantly better than it is if they pulled their head out their ass and "did the right thing".
Windows is "the" gaming OS no doubt about that, but is not the clear cut winner that it once was for "everything else" when they keep removing or breaking things because they "dont want it" anymore.

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As for Linux, I might be interested in trying it at some point, I just hate headaches lol, I do not want to download this and that and tweak this and that just to "make it work" and Linux (from what I can tell) is not better and might be worse in some aspects to being "plug and play" compared to Windows. (not counting the BS stand point of forced updates or broken compatibility if not using "specific" drivers)

is a very positive thing to be more open source concept where Windows tends to be "lock and key" approach O.O
 
dgingeri said:
I've been testing out gaming in Linux for the last few weeks, and it still lags FAR behind Windows. I could play a few 3D Linux native games, but they weren't accelerated by the GPU. I couldn't actually find a single Linux game that was more than DOS level 3D. I tried configuring and using WINE, but that was a total failure. Using VMs to game in Windows was mildly successful, in that I could actually get all my games to install and some to run, unlike WINE, but most still failed to run, and those that did run had a major performance penalty. So, no, gaming in Linux still sucks.
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dgingeri said:
I've been testing out gaming in Linux for the last few weeks, and it still lags FAR behind Windows. I could play a few 3D Linux native games, but they weren't accelerated by the GPU. I couldn't actually find a single Linux game that was more than DOS level 3D. I tried configuring and using WINE, but that was a total failure. Using VMs to game in Windows was mildly successful, in that I could actually get all my games to install and some to run, unlike WINE, but most still failed to run, and those that did run had a major performance penalty. So, no, gaming in Linux still sucks.
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Ummm I will assume your trolling.

Dos level 3D. lol

Why don't you just install steam. Native Linux games under steam run just fine... unless you are trying to game on a 10 year old PC or something.

DXVX + Wine yes isn't even a year old project yet. Its experimental and not as simple a setup as Steam... however 0.63 the current version is 10x easier to setup then the first versions where 6 months back, and the performance is getting very close to native windows. At some point soon its going to be a one click install in most distros.
 
DukenukemX said:
What were these games and why weren't they accelerated?

Seriously? You couldn't find a single game off native Linux Steam to play a modern game on Linux? Not Deus Ex: Mankind Divided or Portal 2? I have Brutal Legend working on Linux natively from Steam.

I honestly don't believe you've done half the stuff that you said you did. What game you tried to get working on Wine? What version of Wine did you use? What VM did you try to use, cause VM's weren't designed to play games so 3D performance is going to suck.
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1. I found Worms 3D and some RPG that I think had about 3 dozen triangles on the screen at a time. They weren't even the type of games that would have benefited from acceleration, and were of the same appearance as Doom back in the DOS days.

2. No, I didn't even know any of those were available, nor where to find them. The Steam client was listed in the software repository, but once installed would not run.

3. I don't know what version of WINE off hand. I'm at work, and I would have to go home and get it. It was whatever the Fedora Games distro had available. I got it from here: https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/games/ I told it to install, and the stupid thing wouldn't even run.

I looked up info on the best Linux for gaming for over two weeks before starting this project, and time after time, the recommendations the search results had were defunct. I finally tried this Fedora Games distro, and had a horrible time with it. It took me nearly a day just to get the drivers for my GTX750Ti installed. Trying to ANYTHING in Linux has just been a big PITA. That Linux box is still up and running at home. If you have stuff for me to try, by all means, I'll try it, within reason. I'm not going to go learn Python to get WINE working.
 
Your research lead you to Fedora ? ok fair.

Fedora and Red hat the company behind it are big open source folks... that spin is a Free and Open game "showcase". Fedora also doesn't love Nvidias closed source drivers. That spin is just fedora with a few open source games pre installed. (anyone trying to push real Linux gaming hates that stupid spin)

If you really want to give linux gaming a try. You are going to want to install a different distro. Ubuntu / Mint (based on Ubuntu) / Manjaro / Solus .... all 3 of those are going to work very well with Steam, and wine if you want to try that as well. My personal suggestion would be Manjaro... but Ubuntu/Mint are good safe options for a new Linux user. (Ubuntu is the distro Steam targets... it is the base distro they use for SteamOS)

Fedora... is really more a business option imo. Its the cutting edge spin of Red Hats RHEL (Red Hat enterpirse Linux) and as I say they don't bundle anything out of the box that is closed source in anyway... drivers (which makes NV a pain) Codecs ect if its closed you have to install it after the fact.

PS... I get whyyou could assume Fedora gaming spin could be a good option. I honestly really wish they would F of with that spin already. It has cost Linux more users then any real issue has. Reading their Lit on it its easy to see how many people would expect something very different.
 
dgingeri said:
1. I found Worms 3D and some RPG that I think had about 3 dozen triangles on the screen at a time. They weren't even the type of games that would have benefited from acceleration, and were of the same appearance as Doom back in the DOS days.

2. No, I didn't even know any of those were available, nor where to find them. The Steam client was listed in the software repository, but once installed would not run.

3. I don't know what version of WINE off hand. I'm at work, and I would have to go home and get it. It was whatever the Fedora Games distro had available. I got it from here: https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/games/ I told it to install, and the stupid thing wouldn't even run.

I looked up info on the best Linux for gaming for over two weeks before starting this project, and time after time, the recommendations the search results had were defunct. I finally tried this Fedora Games distro, and had a horrible time with it. It took me nearly a day just to get the drivers for my GTX750Ti installed. Trying to ANYTHING in Linux has just been a big PITA. That Linux box is still up and running at home. If you have stuff for me to try, by all means, I'll try it, within reason. I'm not going to go learn Python to get WINE working.
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Ubuntu or a derivative distro are usually a good bet (though I haven't used them in a while so I can't really assist if you go that route). ArchLinux generally "just works", though it requires more setup than most distros and some understanding of Linux CLI and configuration. Fedora is a nice, cutting-edge distro, but suffers from some of the pitfalls of such a distro (sometimes things break or don't work quite right). It's more stable than Fedora rawhide, but less than RedHat or Ubuntu (in some cases, at least).
Edit: ChadD sorta beat me to it. lol
 
BloodyIron said:
If any of you want some tips, or have questions about, gaming on Linux. Let me know.

I can significantly contribute to this topic, and I'm currently in the initial phases of creating YouTube content showing how actually easy it is, even better than the LTT/Wendel collab (omfg that was cringy at times).
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PM sent--wondering if you can assist with a Linux problem.
 
dgingeri said:
1. I found Worms 3D and some RPG that I think had about 3 dozen triangles on the screen at a time. They weren't even the type of games that would have benefited from acceleration, and were of the same appearance as Doom back in the DOS days.
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Worms 3D and some RPG? So... are those the games you found or the games you want to run?
2. No, I didn't even know any of those were available, nor where to find them. The Steam client was listed in the software repository, but once installed would not run.
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If it didn't run then you probably don't have working 3D drivers, but that should be impossible since Ubuntu comes with working open source drivers for AMD/Nvidia/Intel, unless the hardware is so old that it doesn't support a high enough version of OpenGL that Steam needs.
3. I don't know what version of WINE off hand. I'm at work, and I would have to go home and get it. It was whatever the Fedora Games distro had available. I got it from here: https://labs.fedoraproject.org/en/games/ I told it to install, and the stupid thing wouldn't even run.
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I'm assuming the distro you're using in Fedora since you linked a Fedora link? Generally distros come with older versions of Wine cause Wine is updated monthly, and I'd use Wine-Staging since it generally has better compatibility.

I looked up info on the best Linux for gaming for over two weeks before starting this project, and time after time, the recommendations the search results had were defunct. I finally tried this Fedora Games distro, and had a horrible time with it. It took me nearly a day just to get the drivers for my GTX750Ti installed. Trying to ANYTHING in Linux has just been a big PITA. That Linux box is still up and running at home. If you have stuff for me to try, by all means, I'll try it, within reason. I'm not going to go learn Python to get WINE working.
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Don't know why Fedora was your #1 choice, since it doesn't even come up as the top 5 from distrowatch.com . If you want to get into Linux stick with distros that are easy to use, like Ubuntu or Mint. Both are similar and good choices and probably why Wendell went with Ubuntu as a demonstration and not his preferred distro, as Ubuntu is easier to use. Mint is more Windows like, and probably even easier for you.
 
ChadD said:
Your research lead you to Fedora ? ok fair.

Fedora and Red hat the company behind it are big open source folks... that spin is aimed more at completely Free and Open games. Fedora also doesn't love Nvidias closed source drivers.

If you really want to give linux gaming a try. You are going to want to install a different distro. Ubuntu / Mint (based on Ubuntu) / Manjaro / Solus .... all 3 of those are going to work very well with Steam, and wine if you want to try that as well. My personal suggestion would be Manjaro... but Ubuntu/Mint are good safe options for a new Linux user.

Fedora... is really more a business option imo. Its the cutting edge spin of Red Hats RHEL (Red Hat enterpirse Linux) and as I say they don't bundle anything out of the box that is closed source in anyway... drivers (which makes NV a pain) Codecs ect if its closed you have to install it after the fact.

PS... I get whyyou could assume Fedora gaming spin could be a good option. I honestly really wish they would F of with that spin already. It has cost Linux more users then any real issue has. Reading their Lit on it its easy to see how many people would expect something very different.
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I administer about 2 dozen Ubuntu Server VMs at work, but that's entirely command line. (Still a PITA.) They do specific things, like iSCSI storage or haproxy for web servers. My boss has been pushing Salt for administration lately, but I have had a horrible time getting it to work. (Having 3 separate languages to get it to work is bad enough, and not having enough info on how it works makes it even worse, and it not having some very basic functions just seals it with me.) So, I'm familiar enough with it.

My experience with CentOS is more extensive, though, as I used to work for Quantum in their DXI development and test lab, and I had to do many things with CentOS to get them to work for different testing scenarios. Again, entirely command line.

I see the use for Linux, and it can do limited things very well, but so much of it is just not finished that it drives me crazy. I'm not a freaking programmer, and I don't want to be. I don't want to code for 3 months to save 10 minutes a week with automation. Why Nvidia can't make a proper installer that actually does everything on its own rather than have to follow this crap https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2015/fedora-nvidia-guide/ should be something expected, not just "a really nice option".
 
ROTFLMFAO. Umm this is fun. I run Stalker in DX11 in wine on my Slackware64 14.2 Lunix Disturbation and it runs better than windose 10. My Steam games run very well too and I seldom enter windose for anything these days.

I left windose at NT 4, as 3.51 would do what I wanted, and NT 4 was a POS that fought with me. Linux has always done just what I told it to do, although living as root is frowned upon is civilized places. Slackware is Bob's Church of the Subgenius and civilized notions are thought less of here.

I'm not sure I approve of all this simplification of the best *nix, but no one pays much attention to me. ;)
 
lucidrenegade said:
Somebody didn't read the article.

"A few weeks ago during a time-sensitive 350GB file transfer, Windows 10 rebooted without warning. When the OS restarted I was greeted with an infuriating blue screen that had become all too familiar. No, not that infuriating blue screen. The one that declares "Working On Updates." It was, as they say, the last straw."

Nowhere does it say he lost data, just that a reboot happened in the middle of a file transfer.
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time-sensitive
This means he lost something. Whether it was a contract submission, documents that needed to be submitted by a certain time or you name it.
Regardless, Windows 10 bent him over w/out the courtesy of a reach around.
 
Jim Kim said:
time-sensitive
This means he lost something. Whether it was a contract submission, documents that needed to be submitted by a certain time or you name it.
Regardless, Windows 10 bent him over w/out the courtesy of a reach around.
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Quite frankly, if he saw that, he'd waited on updates too long or failed to keep his computer on to let it update during off hours. His fault.
 
BloodyIron said:
What would you like to see?

I'm working towards having my own site for a whole bunch of stuff, including Linux Gaming stuff (I'm building out the "BloodyIron" brand for a bunch of functionality).

I can maybe start with a forum thing on [H], but I would prefer to eventually transition to my own site, for, well... industry recognition and such things ;)
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Do's and Don'ts when building a system. How to choose hardware that will run on Linux. I have an Asus sound card that isn't supported on Linux from what I'm told. What to do on older notebooks that had the early versions of UEFI and don't want to accept Linux as their lord and savior. ;) What do you do when it just won't boot?
 
PenGunn said:
ROTFLMFAO. Umm this is fun. I run Stalker in DX11 in wine on my Slackware64 14.2 Lunix Disturbation and it runs better than windose 10. My Steam games run very well too and I seldom enter windose for anything these days.

I left windose at NT 4, as 3.51 would do what I wanted, and NT 4 was a POS that fought with me. Linux has always done just what I told it to do, although living as root is frowned upon is civilized places. Slackware is Bob's Church of the Subgenius and civilized notions are thought less of here.

I'm not sure I approve of all this simplification of the best *nix, but no one pays much attention to me. ;)
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Funny. I never got to work with 3.51, but I learned on NT4. My first full time support job was supporting NT4 for Merrill Lynch back in 2000-2002. (My previous jobs were just temp support jobs for short term.) I thought it was great compared to Win95. I even tried to get into Linux back then, and just thought it was a whole bunch of work in exchange for a whole lot of frustration and no reward.
 
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Oh really? But who was "var" "etc" "mnt" "home" "lib".

If linux wants to be taken seriously they need to cut their cryptic nerd chit.
 
Jim Kim said:
time-sensitive
This means he lost something. Whether it was a contract submission, documents that needed to be submitted by a certain time or you name it.
Regardless, Windows 10 bent him over w/out the courtesy of a reach around.
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Apparently you didn't read the [H] post:

"Jason wandered into the Linux rabbit hole after losing 350GB of data during a file transfer"

He may have lost time, but nowhere did the article indicate he lost data. That's something cageymaru made up.
 
dgingeri said:
I administer about 2 dozen Ubuntu Server VMs at work, but that's entirely command line. (Still a PITA.) They do specific things, like iSCSI storage or haproxy for web servers. My boss has been pushing Salt for administration lately, but I have had a horrible time getting it to work. (Having 3 separate languages to get it to work is bad enough, and not having enough info on how it works makes it even worse, and it not having some very basic functions just seals it with me.) So, I'm familiar enough with it.

My experience with CentOS is more extensive, though, as I used to work for Quantum in their DXI development and test lab, and I had to do many things with CentOS to get them to work for different testing scenarios. Again, entirely command line.

I see the use for Linux, and it can do limited things very well, but so much of it is just not finished that it drives me crazy. I'm not a freaking programmer, and I don't want to be. I don't want to code for 3 months to save 10 minutes a week with automation. Why Nvidia can't make a proper installer that actually does everything on its own rather than have to follow this crap https://www.if-not-true-then-false.com/2015/fedora-nvidia-guide/ should be something expected, not just "a really nice option".
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That's fair. Command line Linux server stuff is a different animal then trying to run AAA game software aimed mainly at windows. No doubt. I wasn't trying to attack you choice in anyway... I just ran into people assuming that fedoras game spin is a great option for making AAA stuff work. Its an annoying spin from that perspective. Long time Linux desktop (not server) people are not going to use that spin... all its good at is convincing people without a ton of Linux desktop experience to use it. (which always ends bad) If you have lots of CentOS experience I think you know what I mean.... Fedoras gaming spin is no better at gaming then CentOS. Its not what it is actually good at. Fedora is just CentOS (RHEL) with newer packages and a few server tools not installed by default. (A year or so back... someone I know who admins a system for a company I have done some consulting for, in fact did the same thing you did. He said well we run Cent I know it a bit... so I'll try this fedora game spin thing. His experience wasn't great either. lol)

If you do decide to give Linux desktop and Linux gaming another go... try out Ubuntu or Manjaro. Manjaro is based on Arch which has no GUI installer, Manjaro is fast installs clean... and will let you install with Nvidias non free driver right from install. (just select "use non-free drivers" when you install). Manjaro is #1 at distro watch for a reason... imo its one of the best all round distros going right now, good for complete newbies, server admins, and people just wanting something to work. Ubuntu as I understand it these days will install using the free driver but pop up a one click install for the closed source drivers when you first log in (which is almost as good). Also I think Manjaro these days even installs steam out of the box... making things even easier.

In general I agree... the .RPM based distros, Red Hat, and Suse are a PITA if your running Nvidia hardware and want to use NV drivers. In Suse rolling distro Tumbleweed you honestly have to enter Run Mode 3 (Command Line boot) to tack the NV closed source driver to the kernel every time you change kernels. Which can be every few days on a rolling release. It seems both of the big .RPM companies are 100% against putting any closed code into their base systems. Probably they figure its the safest way to go as they both sell a ton of software support contracts.
 
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Quite frankly, if he saw that, he'd waited on updates too long or failed to keep his computer on to let it update during off hours. His fault.
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Does linux force reboot your system when you are working?

Is it really necessary for W10 to rub a users nose in a pile of dung because said user was not maintaining the computer the way the os wanted him to.
 
I think it really depends on the game. I run arch and wine/wine-staging. There is significant difference in frame rate, frame time, stuttering, etc. and network seems to play a large role in it too. so while gaming in linux is playable, yes, even sometimes good.... but same experience as native windows, no. even with this win10 malarkey. but non-gaming, yea, linux is awesome. especially with package managers and now this snap store, it's so easy.
 
I have nothing against Linux, and support it at work quite frequently, but lets cut to the chase. Linux would straight up take over the world if they could become the #1 platform for PC gaming. That is all they would have to do, but here is the problem with Linux. For every nine things that Linux does a great job, there is always, ALWAYS one function that requires the most insane level of hoop jumping to get working. No OS user should ever have to download C headers to compile some piece of software...developer sure, but there is no excuse for that.

So there is no one that wants Linux gaming to succeed more than this gaming user, but it just can't ever seem to get over the hump of total accessibility.
 
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