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LG 48CX

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The 48 CX 4k in 21:10 rez is pretty great for some games. If they made a 42" - 48" 4k 16:9 with a user adjustable curvature it would be a cool advancement though. Something like that would interest me but these other ones that have been rumored/leaked so far don't.
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Yeah it's a good screen size but the lack of curvature is a bit of an issue as it would help when using an ultrawide resolution. LG has demoed an adjustable curve OLED in the past so the tech exists but whether it ever makes into any production display is a different question, let alone these smaller ones that I feel TV manufacturers still consider more of a side project to the bigger TVs.

What I really want is a <= 50" 8K version. That would solve any desktop space issues I have with the CX where I need 125% scaling for comfortable text size at my viewing distance. I could run 8K 60 Hz on the desktop and 1440p or 4K 120 Hz integere scaled for gaming.

Adding a secondary monitor has been unfeasible for me due to the space I have and how I want my rather big Genelec studio monitor speakers setup.
 
Any idea why my C1 every time I restart the PC is reverting to native 4k resolution and 60hz (won't go higher) instead of staying on PC 4k/120hz?
 
Sorry for dumb lazy question. Is this a good choice for PS5 ? Won't be used as a PC gaming monitor but probably for YouTube vids and similar.
 
Rattle said:
Sorry for dumb lazy question. Is this a good choice for PS5 ? Won't be used as a PC gaming monitor but probably for YouTube vids and similar.
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I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but IMO it's best suited for exactly what you mentioned. Media consumption and games. In no way I want an oled tv for desktop pc use outside of games and media.
 
celwin said:
I'm sure I'm in the minority here, but IMO it's best suited for exactly what you mentioned. Media consumption and games. In no way I want an oled tv for desktop pc use outside of games and media.
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As far as PS5 goes any issues with 4k 60/120fps ? Or HDR weirdness ?
 
Rattle said:
As far as PS5 goes any issues with 4k 60/120fps ? Or HDR weirdness ?
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I have a C1 specifically for PS5/XBOX use, that's basically what it's made for. Upgraded from the B6 to the C1 once I finally got my hands on the new consoles. Haven't noticed any issues with either system, just do a firmware update as soon as you fire it up for the first time.
 
Rattle said:
As far as PS5 goes any issues with 4k 60/120fps ? Or HDR weirdness ?
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Not exactly what you asked but here is some info to consider regarding VRR and autoHDR support.

This was a quote from when I was choosing between the sony oled vs the LG Oled for my living room:

..The rate and regularity that LG put out firmware updates and how well they delivered on their promises of features(and not just gaming ones) stands out in my mind. It's really unprecedented I think for TVs.
..The full boat of gaming features and them functioning with quality on the LG, which sony still doesn't have complete. I won't be gaming much if at all on the 77" at first but I might at some point with a windows box over the next few years and at this price why throw those features out the window.
...The fact the Sony dragged their feet for a year (so far)on delivering promised VRR, on their TVs and their PS5, looks very bad to me whether you are going to use it or not.
...The fact that sony is trying to lock autoHDR from their PS5 console to only their own Bravia TV line (and only the most modern bravia tvs at that) is a business practice I find abhorrent and can't support. It shows how they treat their customers. (Imagine if you couldn't get atmos/TrueHD surround off of a ps5 unless you have a sony receiver as your sound system for example). :mad: They make excuses that "only they know their tv's parameters" but the fact that xbox and windows11 auto HDR works on ANY HDR10 capable display (including sony's), using the HDR10 standard.. shows how false that is.
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https://www.t3.com/us/news/ps5-gets-another-killer-graphics-upgrade-but-theres-a-huge-catch

Even if you had one of the latest bravia tvs in your living room or allowed yourself to being strong-armed into buying one for your PS5, you still wouldn't be able to get autoHDR at your pc's HDR display or any other HDR display you wanted to bring your PS5 to. Meanwhile modern xbox or win 11 gaming rigs do autoHDR on any HDR10 capable display.

Sony's promised PS5 VRR could be "any day now" but the firmware update history and delivery on promises is already really bad compared to LG's. I think it's been over a year without VRR they promised on both the PS5 and on their TVs. We'll see if it works properly and how fast they fix it to work properly, too. Imo sony treats their customers poorly historically.

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Rattle said:
As far as PS5 goes any issues with 4k 60/120fps ? Or HDR weirdness ?
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I have a C9 connected to my PS5. Early on I had an issue where it would have washed out image without toggling HDR on and off but I haven't seen this in a while so I expect that it is fixed in a software update for the PS5.

Otherwise smooth sailing. Don't have any games that run at 120 fps so haven't tested that.

In general my C9 has worked great with all the consoles we have (PS4, PS5, Switch).
 
Finally got around to building a desk that’s appropriate for my cx48. The main piece is 39x66 and the L is 24x48. Still gotta put a hole for wire routing. When I figure out where I want it.

Not quite 10k but was not cheap.
 

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Must be a great feeling when you have built something this nice with your bare.....FEET.
 
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Must be a great feeling when you have built something this nice with your bare.....FEET.
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LOL, I had shoes on for all of it. I went out to the garage real quick to see how the stain was coming out and snapped the picture :p
 
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Just a heads up in case anyone might be interested. The nvidia shield pro is on sale slightly at amazon, newegg, and bestbuy-via-ebay for ~ $180.

It's still not cheap but $20 off is something at least. Its interface is very quick even on resource hungry apps. It can play practically any format (incl DTS audio), and it has AI upscaling that works great among other features.

https://slickdeals.net/f/15496192-1...oid-streaming-media-player-black-180-free-s-h
 
Just a heads up in case anyone might be interested. The nvidia shield pro is on sale slightly at amazon, newegg, and bestbuy-via-ebay for ~ $180.
elvn said:
It's still not cheap but $20 off is something at least. Its interface is very quick even on resource hungry apps. It can play practically any format (incl DTS audio), and it has AI upscaling that works great among other features.

https://slickdeals.net/f/15496192-1...oid-streaming-media-player-black-180-free-s-h
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Yeah it can also run 3rd party YouTube clients.
 
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Just a heads up in case anyone might be interested. The nvidia shield pro is on sale slightly at amazon, newegg, and bestbuy-via-ebay for ~ $180.

Yeah it can also run 3rd party YouTube clients.
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Yep 👍.. and twitch clients , Google play store stuff and sideload apps. Act as a server, lightweight games, stream games from pc, gigabit ethernet port, usb 3 ports, etc. :geek:


edit: In the interest of full disclosure - the thing the current shields don't do is Youtube HDR b/c youtube requires a chip for that. If you need to see a HDR youtube clip you can always launch youtube on WebOS using the menu or the microphone button though. For me that is a very rare case. Other than a few HDR game videos I watched and some screensaver/demo HDR stuff, most of the HDR youtube channels like walking japan etc had a big persistent channel logo on them so I didn't really want to run those too much on the OLED anyway.
All of the other major paid streaming service's HDR content I use work just fine on the shield. I watch a lot of HDR content from services. It's mostly a youtube thing. YouTube uses a proprietary codec (VP9.2) for HDR content. This means that to be able to play VP9.2 content, consumer devices require an actual hardware decoder chip to be included in it.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VP9#Content_providers

Content providers​


A main user of VP9 is Google's popular video platform YouTube, which offers VP9 video at all resolutions[52] along with Opus audio in the WebM file format, through DASH streaming.

Another early adopter was Wikipedia (specifically Wikimedia Commons, which hosts multimedia files across Wikipedia's subpages and languages). Wikipedia endorses open and royalty-free multimedia formats.[53] As of 2016, the three accepted video formats are VP9, VP8 and Theora.[54]

Since December 2016, Netflix has used VP9 encoding for their catalog, alongside H.264 and HEVC. As of February 2020, AV1 has been started to be adopted for mobile devices, not unlike how VP9 has started on the platform.[55]

Google Play Movies & TV uses (at least in part) VP9 profile 2 with Widevine DRM.[56][57][58]

Stadia uses VP9 for video game streaming up to 4k on supported hardware like the Chromecast Ultra, supported mobile phones as well as computers.[59]
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Just a quick question. My remote started acting wonky. It will disappear, freeze and stutter. Any ideas how to fix? This started happening after the newest update.
 
How do these TVs (and the C1) look when running at 1440p? I realize it's not native and thus not ideal, but I'd be stuck running 1440p @ 120hz until I can upgrade to a HDMI 2.1 GPU sometime in the future. I'm not one who is insanely picky about scaling and I'm pretty sure it would look fine in games, but I dunno about desktop (non-productivity) use.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
How do these TVs (and the C1) look when running at 1440p? I realize it's not native and thus not ideal, but I'd be stuck running 1440p @ 120hz until I can upgrade to a HDMI 2.1 GPU sometime in the future. I'm not one who is insanely picky about scaling and I'm pretty sure it would look fine in games, but I dunno about desktop (non-productivity) use.
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Its OK. I'm using (I think; at work right now) 125% DPI scaling with ClearType to clean up text, and it passes visual muster as far as I'm concerned.

Also waiting on a 30x0 series so I can crank up to 4k120.
 
Colonel Sanders said:
How do these TVs (and the C1) look when running at 1440p? I realize it's not native and thus not ideal, but I'd be stuck running 1440p @ 120hz until I can upgrade to a HDMI 2.1 GPU sometime in the future. I'm not one who is insanely picky about scaling and I'm pretty sure it would look fine in games, but I dunno about desktop (non-productivity) use.
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I played like that for a few months when I was stuck with my 1080 ti. IMO it looks quite good in games, the softness isn't horrible, it's pretty clean looking.

On the desktop I don't remember, I always just used 4k.
 
elvn said:
Have you tried turning it off and back on again? (kidding).

But seriously, have you tried any of these? (Assuming that you have tried the most obvious of them since you said "can't do anything").

...unplugging the adapter or hdmi cable and plugging it back in again without rebooting the PC? (crappy workaround though even if it ended up working)
...CTRL+ALT+DEL or CTRL+SHIFT+ESC ? (obvious)
...updated gpu drivers (obvious)
.. Another thing you could try is changing the scaling for that screen in the nvidia display settings to see if that does anything (try turning scaling off if it's not already, otherwise change it just to see if it does anything next time you exit a game).
...try messing with the physics on gpu settings (unlikely to do anything though)
..try a different output on the gpu
..turn off any gpu overclocking
... could try setting up a hotkey to a resolution switch or resolution switch toggle hotkey to see if it can kick it back to a visible desktop.
...if a single monitor setup instead of an array, you could set up a hotkey to switch between which output ("screen") is active and back to see if it does anything.
..remove the gpu from device manager and reboot so it gets found again.
..hook up another monitor to see if that monitor stays usable when the other goes black screen. Then at least you could potentially mess with settings and attempt to reinitialize the blacked out monitor with some changes to nvidia display settings, etc. during the same session.
..if you are already using multiple monitors, try disconnecting the other monitor(s) in the process of elimination and see what happens next time you exit a game.
...make sure the desktop is set to run the same resolution and the same Hz, etc. as the game in the process of elimination of causes.
...run the game in fullscreen windowed mode?

Are you using the club3d displayport adapter?
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No Joke....

I have this same EXACT Issue. I just booted Halo Infinite and my theory is that it goes from Game mode to non game mode and just shuts down the monitor.

I can hear Voices, my my discord all sounds but I have a black screen.

NOTHING will get rid of my black screen except a reboot. Even if I use Team Viewer to login to the computer I have a black screen.

Has anyone fixed the issue of the LG TV losing its signal on the PC or when you are playing a BORDERLESS Full Screen the LG TV just goes Black / Blank and says "No Signal" I feel strongly it has to do with game mode, but there has to be a damn fix to this problem.
 
I've been focusing on HDR games so I have to play full screen exclusive. That didn't really come up when I did a full playthrough of Darksiders 3 (on max difficulty so it was like souls/sekiro like mechanics). I was using a 1080ti then and I don't use the displayport adapter. Your sig says 3090 though so idk.

Can you see if it happens when using more than one monitor? I'm wondering if the signal is lost or if you'd have to reinitialize your gpu to get it back.

I don't know if reinitializing the gpu while it's running could have any long term effects, wear and tear or not so use at your own risk:

https://www.howtogeek.com/351164/secret-windows-hotkey-restarts-your-graphics-card-drivers/

To restart your graphics drivers, press Win+Ctrl+Shift+B on your keyboard.

Your screen will go black for a split second and you’ll hear a beep. Everything will then reappear just as it was before you pressed the hotkey. All your current applications remain open, and you won’t lose any work.

We even tried this shortcut while playing a PC game. The game kept running properly after we used the shortcut. That’s because Windows just restarts the graphics subsystem. All your applications are left alone and will continue running normally.
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I was going to get a 73 inch for my hybrid gaming/theater room, but I am coming from plasma and motion handling on the Sony is supposedly much better. So I am waiting for LG to catch up because I do want the best PQ. There’s no question the LG is the best screen for games and has the lowest latency but I want to have my cake and eat it too. The latency on the Sony is just too high.

Keep in mind what I’m talking about PQ I’m talking about for movies. I have a CX in my bedroom and plasma downstairs in the theater room. The older plasma definitely has better motion handling especially for older content. It also is a lag fest for games at like 16ms.

Does anyone know if LG improve motion handling with the C1 or if they plan on improving it in the next generation of TV?

For a dedicated gaming TV the C1 would be a no brainer I know how good it is but as my primary screen for serious movie watching I’m concerned it won’t make the cut.

My dad has the Sony and my jaw dropped when I saw how good it was.

First world problems.
 
SoCali said:
For anyone in America interested the 48" C1 is down to $932 with code NY15OFF.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/184898835257

42" $750'ish next Holiday Season? Count me in.
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how much of a problem would it be buying this from an ebay seller (reputable as they may be) vs from a local brick and mortar a la best buy? like if there was some sort of defect or something that makes it not workable in my setup for whatever reason.. i'm keen to save money but dunno if it's worth it in this case
 
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Keep in mind what I’m talking about PQ I’m talking about for movies.

Does anyone know if LG improve motion handling with the C1 or if they plan on improving it in the next generation of TV?
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PQ is absolute. The only HDR displays that follow PQ are the LG in HGIG mode, the G-SYNC Ultimate monitors, and $30 k reference monitors. Everything else is non-standard tone mapping and is inaccurate. You actually prefer the inaccurate oversaturated colours of the Sony OLED over accurate PQ. It uses the same LG panel and cannot magically display brighter colours while still following PQ.

Accurate "motion handling" (whatever that means - it's a bullshit term) is actually the absence of any motion interpolation with just 5:5 pull down to map 24 fps content to a 120 Hz screen. This is the most accurate image as far as motion is concerned. You actually prefer the motion interpolation / smoothing / smearing on the Sony / plasma. LG isn't going to drastically rewrite their motion interpolation algorithm at this point so if you don't like how it looks compared to the Sony don't expect any drastic changes.
 
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You actually prefer the motion interpolation / smoothing / smearing on the Sony / plasma. LG isn't going to drastically rewrite their motion interpolation algorithm at this point so if you don't like how it looks compared to the Sony don't expect any drastic changes.
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No.

The way Plasma phosphors are driven, results in better, more natural motion handling than the "sample and hold" way of OLED's. And less percieved blur, due to resolving more lines of resolution during benchmark motion tests.

There's something very natural about watching a plasma. And it can really make movies shot on film look fantastic.
 
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how much of a problem would it be buying this from an ebay seller (reputable as they may be) vs from a local brick and mortar a la best buy? like if there was some sort of defect or something that makes it not workable in my setup for whatever reason.. i'm keen to save money but dunno if it's worth it in this case
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It's eBay. They force sellers to accept returns even if listed as "no returns accepted" especially for a legitimate reason like a defective product. I've bought a lot of stuff from Electronic Express and have had zero issues. They ship TV's double boxed.

You're the only one who can judge whether $170 savings is worth it vs the convenience of a local best buy. Sounds like you want to buy and try and if that's the case get it locally.
 
DF-1 said:
anyone see the news? 30% more brightness. they're calling it OLED EX for Evo eXperience. LG Display stock up 5% today (ticker LPL)
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Welcome improvement if not particularly exciting.

They also seemed to have some weird OLED throne thing with a curved 1500R 55" model. It would be interesting to get the smaller 42" and 48" models as curved but unlikely to happen.

These LG OLEDs are already so good that I can't really think of actually exciting improvements beyond smaller models, RGB subpixels and higher refresh rates.
 
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Any word if the new models will eliminate near black VRR flicker? That would be the only reason worth upgrading for me.
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Nothing official AFAIK, but given that LG is always trying hard to please gamers, I would bet my money on that they will fix it on 2022 models.
 
Monstieur said:
Accurate "motion handling" (whatever that means - it's a bullshit term) is actually the absence of any motion interpolation with just 5:5 pull down to map 24 fps content to a 120 Hz screen. This is the most accurate image as far as motion is concerned. You actually prefer the motion interpolation / smoothing / smearing on the Sony / plasma. LG isn't going to drastically rewrite their motion interpolation algorithm at this point so if you don't like how it looks compared to the Sony don't expect any drastic changes.
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Any word if the new models will eliminate near black VRR flicker? That would be the only reason worth upgrading for me.
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It's been awhile since I've read up about it but the near black flicker could be due to the White subpixel in the WRGB / WOLED array on near blacks.. but it might also be exacerbated by the fact that the panel's gamma is set to 120hz. While using VRR, and at the demanding 4k resolution or near it in uw, a lot of people will be running far beneath 100fps+ average frame rate ranges/graphs (70-85 <<-- 100 -->> 115-117cap). The frame rate and Hz in those scenarios will be low relative to 120 especially at the low end of their frame rate fluctuations. Even 100fpsHz average usually sinks to 85fps and could hit some 70fps potholes throughout that kind of graph.

When watching movies rather than games, you can enable "cinema screen" which multiplies the 24fps movie content x5 to maintain 120fpsHz avoiding anything sub 120fpsHz and staying at 120hz gamma. That also removes judder in low frame rate video entirely but it doesn't remove *stutter* in fast motion and even moderate speed panning scenes due to OLED response times being so fast. The only way to reduce that is to use interpolation but some people don't like the "soap opera effect" which is actually more realistic looking depending. It doesn't look like a soft 35mm film though and the "realism" can show makeup and backgrounds, scene props and other things that are sub-par due to them normally being able to be masked by the opposite of the soap opera effect, the "cinema" or "filmic" look I guess. As far as I know the only way to reduce the bad stutter OLED exhibit in panning shots and some high motion cinematography is to use interpolation, so you have to pick your poison one way or the other or buy a FALD lcd which will have slow enough response time to mask the stuttering. For me personally, I can't stand the stuttering when watching videos/movies.

Note that youtube and netflix use compression so are not good tests for picture quality issues. That near black precipice might be affected by your named mode settings too (brightness, contrast, gamma, etc).
Netflix. The low quality streams cause the low light near blacks to be literally flickering boxes. If you pump up the black levels, you can see that it’s huge macro artifact blocking from awful compression. It makes the screen to overreact to compensate.
Throw in a 4K Blu Ray of the exact same content and you won’t see it at all.
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That is a quote from a reddit thread. I don't know that you'd never see it at all ever but it sounds like it would make it much more prevalent in that kind of content.
 
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No.

The way Plasma phosphors are driven, results in better, more natural motion handling than the "sample and hold" way of OLED's. And less percieved blur, due to resolving more lines of resolution during benchmark motion tests.

There's something very natural about watching a plasma. And it can really make movies shot on film look fantastic.
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That's smearing. It's less accurate even if you prefer it. The correct solution to sample and hold blur is to increase the frame rate of the content. Sample and hold is neither good nor bad - it's an exact representation of the source frames over time. Non-sample and hold displays smear frames over time.
 
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Firmware ver.04.30.55 dropped today.

Typical useless release notes

(t) improvement of minor issues related to software (04.30.40)
(u) improvement of minor issues related to software (04.30.55)

And to top if off, as a NYE present, they botched the archive contents by forgetting to keep the file extension *.epk on the updated firmware image.... so download away, unzip to flashdrive and rename the extension-less file to have this required extension for the TV to recognize it and apply the update. Else it will just sit there.
 
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That's smearing. It's less accurate even if you prefer it. The correct solution to sample and hold blur is to increase the frame rate of the content. Sample and hold is neither good nor bad - it's an exact representation of the source frames over time. Non-sample and hold displays smear frames over time.
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Plasmas resolve more lines of resolution during motion. That's not smearing. Its generally regarded that plasma is excellent for sports and for low framerate stuff, like film. The motion is smooth and you still get the detail. Actual detail.

OLED is fantastic for higher framerate content. But the fact is, it can and often does feel stuttery with low framerate content like film and broadcast TV. And they don't resolve as many lines of resolution during motion benchmark tests. Which further drops perceivable detail, especially with that low framerate content. Sample and hold also results in a percieved blur, even if it technically isn't there.

With higher framerate content, its not as noticeable, because you get an inherently perceived temporal detail quality, from having more frames to look at.
 
Apologies if this has been discussed here already, but if there some way to fix the terrible banding in darker scenes on this display? Using a 3080 at 4k/120Hz/VRR/10bit. Doesn’t seem to make a difference going to 60Hz, or turning off VRR, SDR vs AutoHDR (this scene is Witcher3 but I remember the same thing in Cyberpunk 2077 native HDR). I have another CX 65 in my basement that never has obvious PQ/banding issues like this.

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Right I am talking about stuttering in older video content. I was under the impression the Sony handled that better and thus the Sony is the better OLED for cinema.
 
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