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This post I made on page 7 should be relevant to your interests: https://hardforum.com/threads/lg-48cx.1991077/page-7#post-1044458873
Thanks, but it doesn't help. Neither RGB nor BGR work well - ClearType causes fringing with both of them since neither is the right pixel structure. The contrast setting doesn't help either. Grayscale eliminates the fringing, so the fonts look better defined, but they still don't look as good as with ClearType on an LCD monitor with the right pixel structure (you basically lose the whole benefit of ClearType.)
 

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Anyone think the 48 inch oled will have similar peak brightness as the larger 4k counterparts?

I remember seeing a review of the 8k oled with more pixel density having much worse performance when it came to brightness.
 

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Anyone think the 48 inch oled will have similar peak brightness as the larger 4k counterparts?

I remember seeing a review of the 8k oled with more pixel density having much worse performance when it came to brightness.
The 48 will have identical brightness as all the other Oleds. They come out in massive sheets that are divided up.
 

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Apart from PPI, I don't believe there is any difference between the 48", 55" and 65" within the CX range in 2020, but I don't know that they've released the full and exhaustive list of complete specs yet.
 

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Apart from PPI, I don't believe there is any difference between the 48", 55" and 65" within the CX range in 2020, but I don't know that they've released the full and exhaustive list of complete specs yet.
On videos from CES2020 LG representatives did say that they are exactly the same as the bigger CX series models apart from screen size.
 

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Same here. Too bad for me I plan to wait for price drops on them so that means I'll be waiting longer until I pick one up. Assuming I don't get impatient and buy one at launch.
It's not too long of wait. They tend to start to drop to their lowest prices around September.
 

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The 48 will have identical brightness as all the other Oleds. They come out in massive sheets that are divided up.
Nah, only the 48" 4k and 77" 8k share the same sheet as they have the same pixel density. The reason we have a 48" is probably because this increases the yield for them when they make the 8k panel as they probably can cut out parts that are faulty and use it as a 48" 4k panel instead.
 

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When's the 48" even expected to be available? Has this been announced? When were the 9 series available in 2019?
 

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Nah, only the 48" 4k and 77" 8k share the same sheet as they have the same pixel density. The reason we have a 48" is probably because this increases the yield for them when they make the 8k panel as they probably can cut out parts that are faulty and use it as a 48" 4k panel instead.
Those don't have anywhere near the same pixels per inch.
 

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Yes, cut from the same substrates is my understanding.
Substrate composition maybe but the density/PPI has to be different. Or a 48" would be 3300x1500 or something stupid.
AFAIK, 55" / 65" / 77" 4K panels have their own separate lines apart from the 88" 8K line (the latter of which is relatively new).

There's two scenarios: either 48" 4K has its own production line, or 48" 4K is cut from the 88" 8K line. I don't believe it's the former, although I could be wrong. If it's the latter, then math dictates that the mother panel would have to be at least 96", probably north of 100", because some tolerance has to be included for cutting.

However, I'm not sure I recall the 8K line using mother panels that large -- IIRC, I think I read it's somewhere around 90-92", which if that's the case that means you'd only get two 48" 4K from that same mother panel. That's a lot of "trim" waste when presumably LG would want to produce 88" 8K panels instead. That's why I was surprised when we learned it was going to be 48" and not 43", because with 43" it would definitely be the case where instead of one 88" 8K panel, they'd cut it up into four 43" 4K panels with the same waste. I guess it all depends on how many 8K lines they have going.

That's the biggest unknown here -- how LG is producing the 48" panels. If there is a lot of waste involved (when LG could otherwise be producing 88" 8K panels; e.g. opportunity costs), we may be surprised at the MSRP of the 48". As a result, the price of 48" might be higher than we're expecting.
 
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43" 4K UHD = 102 PPI
48" 4K UHD = 91 PPI
77" 8K UHD = 114 PPI
88" 8K UHD = 100 PPI

OLED screen sizes are very close to the Class size.
 

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The 48" 4K panels have nothing to do with 8K panels. The 48" simply replaces the 55" on the multi-model glass (MMG) at the 8.5-generation Paju and Guangzhou plants that use Cannon MPAsp-H1003T lithographers.

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After a bit of uhming and ahhing about this, it seems like it might be my next upgrade. Just need to know about the weight of it, vesa mounting size and (most importantly) price.
 

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It's going to be 35.5LBS, 200x200 and launch @ $1999.
Weight is probably right but I imagine they'll use the same 200x300 VESA they've had for some time now. TV's this size/weight invariably go with rectangular ratio for VESA, not square.
 

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It's weird seeing that these actually weigh that much when it doesn't feel like it. I had to look to confirm my 55" weighs 16.3 kg :eek:.
 

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Very well may be remembering wrong then, sorry. If I remember I'll look when I pull it out of storage after our move.
 

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The 48" 4K panels have nothing to do with 8K panels. The 48" simply replaces the 55" on the multi-model glass (MMG) at the 8.5-generation Paju and Guangzhou plants that use Cannon MPAsp-H1003T lithographers.

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So they could cost similar to 55" then?
Current China rigmarole will put a dent in production though.
 

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So they could cost similar to 55" then?
Current China rigmarole will put a dent in production though.

I think people expecting an OLED with a three-figure price tag will be bitterly disappointed. Maybe Black Friday 2020 they could hit that, but until then I expect launch price to be high, perhaps only a couple hundred less than the 55". I can't see it being the same price, that wouldn't make a great deal of marketing or business sense.
 

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I think people expecting an OLED with a three-figure price tag will be bitterly disappointed. Maybe Black Friday 2020 they could hit that, but until then I expect launch price to be high, perhaps only a couple hundred less than the 55". I can't see it being the same price, that wouldn't make a great deal of marketing or business sense.
I agree, I'd be absolutely shocked if these came in under $1,000. In fact I'd put money on it that they won't. If I'm honest, I doubt they'll even be $1,200 at first. I'm thinking more like $1,500...possibly higher.

I don't think they'll be the same price as the 55" unless LG just knows they can milk everyone who wants/needs the 48" size. But it'd be stupid IMO not to make it at least $100-$200 cheaper.
 

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OLED typically debuts at MSRP, which was $2500 for the 55" C9, and then quickly drops by ~10-15% per month until it hits ~60% of MSRP in mid-summer, where it stays until Nov/Dec deals, that usually knock an additional 10-20% off. So $2000 -> $1200 w/ 'extreme deals' at $999 would be my guess. But that's making a lot of assumptions, since we don't know MSRP and we don't know if they will discount this as heavily as their larger models.

Regardless, it's probably realistic to expect to pay ~$1000-$1500 for this.
 

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The 55" C9 launched at $2,499 and LG are just breaking even on OLED production. No way the 48CX is going to launch at $999-$1499. I'm thinking $1,699-$1,999 launch price with $1,199 by years end.
 

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I paid $1099 for my C9 late last year although it was from a seller who isn't on LG's "Authorized Dealer" list so I expect the 48" to be available for $899 or less late 2020.
 
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PPI isn't enough. There isn't much difference between the PPI on my 49" Samsung CRG9 and my 55" LG C9, but the CRG9 has much better text rendering. Something needs to be done about the pixel structure and/or the ClearType software.

I'm planning to try a 55" with an IPS panel and RGB pixels next. I've pretty much given up on the LG OLED for text use. I tried hard to live with it for the other benefits (gaming, videos) but text is just too important to me since that's what I do most of the time.
Just to follow up on this for those interested... I started using an LG 55SM9000 (IPS panel with RGB structure) instead of my LG 55 C9 OLED, and this solved the text problem - it is rendered fine on the IPS LCD TV - well-defined and without fringing. This panel is definitely not as nice as the OLED in other ways, and it has a surprising amount of vignetting, but the text rendering is significantly better.
 

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I would agree with Vega. The just under $2,000 sounds about right at launch. That's assuming the 55' was at $2500. How much is drops off after that and when is anyone's guess I'd say.
 

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It's weird seeing that these actually weigh that much when it doesn't feel like it. I had to look to confirm my 55" weighs 16.3 kg :eek:.
Right? Just read that my 65 C9 is 75lbs with the stand. I never looked it up before you mentioned it here. I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't sit my it on my center speaker.
 
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Right? Just read that my 65 C9 is 75lbs with the stand. I never looked it up before you mentioned it here. I'm starting to wonder if I shouldn't sit my it on my center speaker.
I believe the weight is listed wrong for the 65" (with the stand). This is the weight of the 77". I think the weight of the 65" is about 65lbs.
 

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I believe the weight is listed wrong for the 65" (with the stand). This is the weight of the 77". I think the weight of the 65" is about 65lbs.
The 65" C9 is listed at 25.2kg/55lbs MINUS stand, and with the stand at 33.9kg/74.7lbs. That's listed in a few places, but not sure how to verify exactly unless someone can actually weigh it themselves.

Other 65" TV's come in a bit less it seems, while 75" models are more... the 77" I'd expect to be more still, and its weight is listed at 29.9kg/65.9lbs without stand, 36.5kg/80.4lbs with the stand.

Who knows... o_O
 
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The 65" C9 is listed at 25.2kg/55lbs MINUS stand, and with the stand at 33.9kg/74.7lbs. That's listed in a few places, but not sure how to verify exactly unless someone can actually weigh it themselves.

Other 65" TV's come in a bit less it seems, while 75" models are more... the 77" I'd expect to be more still, and its weight is listed at 29.9kg/65.9lbs without stand, 36.5kg/80.4lbs with the stand.

Who knows... o_O
It's wrong for the 65" - the stand is 10lbs, not 20lbs.
 
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