Intel challenges AMD: “Come beat us in Real World gaming”

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  1. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    Shots fired. AMD is set to talk about its 5000-series Navi GPUs and Ryzen 3000 CPUs in during the LA show – taking place on June 10 at 3:00pm PDT– but Intel scooped an early Sunday slot to get ahead of the red team and attempt to call out AMD on tangible performance in common workloads including gaming, and, what it believes to be, unrepresentative synthetic benchmarks.

    “So you’re going to hear a lot about gaming CPUs this week,” says Jon Carvill, VP of marketing. “They may or may not come from certain three letter acronyms. And here’s what I want to challenge you. I want to challenge you to challenge them. If they want this crown, come beat us in real world gaming. Not some mickey mouse, synthetic Cine-bullshit. Gaming should be the defining criteria that we use to assess the world’s best gaming CPU. I challenge you to challenge anyone that wants to compete for this crown to come meet us - head on - in real world gaming. We'll hit em like a fucking speed bag, triplet rhythm, for an hour.”

    https://www.pcgamesn.com/intel/worlds-best-gaming-processor-challenge-amd-ryzen-3000
     
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  2. DrLobotomy

    DrLobotomy [H]ardness Supreme

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    So Intel has slightly faster CPU's while having a much slower IGP tech and basically no dedicated GPU tech and they want to call out AMD?

    Seems legit..
     
  3. Nightfire

    Nightfire [H]ard|Gawd

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    Gotta push that 9900KS for all those gamers running 1080p with dual 2080ti cards.
     
  4. funkydmunky

    funkydmunky 2[H]4U

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    Sounds about right. Intel probably holds the crown on their new flag-ship CPU with no release date. Probably even their current top consumer CPU. But it will be slight. Low single digit %. But Intel has to, and should promote a victory where they have it.
    AMD will be coming at them with pricing, cores, and much superior power usage.
    Games probably optimized for Intel hardware will always be a tuff battle for AMD.
     
  5. clockdogg

    clockdogg Gawd

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    - Jon Carvill, VP of marketing, Intel

    Dropped the F-Bomb! Not your father's bowtie and pen-protector Intel anymore.

    This is the unmitigated Intel gaming machine - With mitigations, 14% less fn' speed baggin'
     
  6. Darth Kyrie

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    Is Intel bringing their chiller to the fight?
     
  7. DustySilicon

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    "Real world gaming."

    Best oxymoron today.
     
  8. Ocellaris

    Ocellaris Ginger @le, an alcoholic's best friend.

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    He’s not wrong? I don’t see why people get so worked up over this stuff... Intel has better single thread performance and not as many cores. AMD has more cores, those cores sit around and do nothing most of the time and AMD knows it. Both companies have some good flexes.
     
  9. odditory

    odditory [H]ardness Supreme

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    Welllll but there's an implication that all the extra AMD cores are really good for is to sit around running Cinebench R15. Not so. They can also sit around running Cinebench R20.
     
  10. Zarathustra[H]

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    As I see it the CPU in 2019 is mostly irrelevant to gaming performance.

    Something like 97% of all systems are going to be GPU limited long before they ever see slowdowns due to their CPU

    So, in real world gaming? The experience will be identical.
     
  11. Soulstorm brew

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    Jon "come at me bro" Carvill just comes across as amateurish in that statement, tone it down a peg Jon , and lay off those triple shot starbucks.
     
  12. Nicepants42

    Nicepants42 Gawd

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    "I challenge you to challenge them, because them challenging us is challenging after being unchallenged for so long."
     
  13. wyqtor

    wyqtor Limp Gawd

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    Not if you play highly single-threaded complex sim games like Dwarf Fortress, Factorio, Oxygen Not Included, Cities Skylines, X-Plane 11, etc.
     
  14. N4CR

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    Pretty sure AMD had a benchie where they beat Intel 9600? or something like that in PUBG... their own sponsored game. Someone is a bit worried I guess with all those expletives, I certainly wouldn't make PR releases like that..

    AMD should accept the challenge but for the lulz put a twist on it and require that both CPU and GPU come from each respective vendor. Intel would get assfucked sideways in 'real world gaming' then short of something that runs 6000 fps at 240p.
     
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  15. Rvenger

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    Lisa should just release a statement saying "we don't play dirty" That will cover his attitude and Intel's history of kneecapping AMD.
     
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  16. Master_shake_

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    shit amd is gonna have more holes in them than intels security.
     
  17. Grimlaking

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    It is clear that Intel is trying to be edgy and talk the gamer talk. But it's coming across as a Dad trying to be HIP and WITH IT with their teen kid. In ADDITION the gamers spending THOUSANDS don't give a shit about the language used in the statement if anything it discredits Intel a bit. As a fucking adult gamer I would want Intel to show up in a suite and tie. Bring out a boring ass looking Computer case. Turn it on to a powerful electric hum and have it BLOW ME THE EFF AWAY...

    Instead we are going to have asshats in affliction t-shirts and ripped jeans trying to look edgy and cool before their spray tan starts to run and their hairpiece shifts while having a lack luster blinged out piece of shit that MAY perform 2% faster with no confirmation of security patches while costing 2-3 times as much.
     
  18. cjcox

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    Intel enters competition room with an 8809G... "See, we're better than the AMD iGPU!"
     
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  19. cjcox

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    AMD enters the competition room only to discover that "real world gaming" means Candy Crush.
     
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  20. OFaceSIG

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    Intel holds only one crown. IPC. They've held it for quite some time. However, more and more games are getting threaded out to 8 cores, thanks to the consoles. So AMD is becoming very competitive.

    So yes, they are "faster." That being said, as all know, if you're a real [H]er you're most likely GPU bound so it doesn't matter.
     
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  21. dvsman

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    I cannot take anyone who doesn't know the definition of acronym (vs simply abbreviating) seriously. #notseriousbutserious

    But seriously, both sides are using synthetic benchmarks - so the claims of propaganda are suspect either way.
     
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  22. GoodBoy

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    But does Intel still hold the IPC crown when all the spectre/meltdown fixes in place?
     
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  23. OFaceSIG

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    Most, not all, reviewers benchmark with the latest patches in place. So when Zen2 does get in reviewers hands, the truth will be known if AMD has caught Intel because of 14nm.
     
  24. Dan_D

    Dan_D [H]ard as it Gets

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    This isn't necessarily accurate. On the OS side, the patches for vulnerability mitigation are likely in place, but not necessarily on the firmware side.
     
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    IPC on Zen+ is already equal or better clock for clock and that was before the latest round of security holes are patched. Same with TDP-TDP performance. Lock a 9900K and a 2700+ at TDP and the 2700+ is same speed if not slightly faster on average.. So no, there is no IPC advantage with Intel. Just clocks, which due to the pipeline and methods used, came at the expense of security.
     
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  26. AceGoober

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    Something is missing...

    I could be entirely off-base but I've got a sneaking suspicion Intel 'may' reveal their dedicated graphics architecture if AMD takes them up on the challenge.
     
  27. kirbyrj

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    So like 3% of all of the tens of thousands of video games just like he said....
     
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    This is simply not true. There MAY be a corner case or two where Zen+ can match or exceed Intel in IPC, but Intel still has the advantage in IPC by several percent on average.
     
  29. Dan_D

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    I'm pretty sure these aren't the most popular titles among PC Gamers right now.
     
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  30. kirbyrj

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    You should have quoted the rest of his quote where he also mentioned TDP. If the 9900k and 2700X are locked to their respective 95W and 105W, they perform almost identically.
     
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    I would love to see AMD decide to produce a processor that hit 5.1ghz on all cores to spite Intel. I’m sure they have some of those new Ryzens binned that could do it.
     
  32. kirbyrj

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    I doubt it. They already release just about at their limits with PB functioning. I'm guessing that's the goal for the Zen 2+ next year though.
     
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    Oddly enough, that has nothing to do with IPC.
     
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    side by side. air cooling only. no chillers (intel)
    I'd like to see this. :D
     
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  35. Soulstorm brew

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    Let´s also ignore the elephant in the room.
    A 2700x currently sits at 300 , a 9900k is sitting at 490
     
  36. dgz

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    Well, it's E3, so he pulled a silly "when in Rome" move

    serveimage?url=https:%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F98k05_bM2e4%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg
     
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  37. kirbyrj

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    There's more to overall performance than just IPC.
     
  38. defaultluser

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    But this AMD presentation is for Zen 2, where they are expected to close that IPC gap. Intel is just preempting that wit BS tactics.

    Intel has nothing except Ice Lake to exceed AMD's IPC, and that won't be available in more than 4 cores until the end of 2020! This is the reason Skylake is getting yet-another-refresh, this time with TEN CORES (Comet Lake).
     
  39. N4CR

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    Nope.

    Even techspot using pre-Intel security hole speed cheat patches in 2018 shows they are neck and neck outside of a few games.
    Throw intel compiler advantage in most applications into that mix and you will have higher IPC on Zen in most scenarios. There is a CB run earlier this year with a 5GHz Zen+ vs a 5GHz whateverlake and the Zen+ is faster by about 5% in IPC alone...
    https://www.techspot.com/article/1616-4ghz-ryzen-2nd-gen-vs-core-8th-gen/page4.html

    Memory timings/latency also impact this a lot, so it depends on who does the benchmarking. Techspot was using XMP which is typically optimised for Intel use as well.

    Now take that 5-15% away with recent patches and Zen+ is definitely higher IPC, let alone Zen2 with an added 15% IPC gain..
     
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    I like both Intel and AMD, but am rooting for AMD right now. Zen 2 is history repeating itself again. This kind of competition gives Intel the kick in the pants it needs to to actually innovate and be competitive pricewise again. Unless you are a pro gamer, I would argue that those extra couple of frames you *might* get from an overpriced Intel part will not be worth it. Intel, factor price into your statement and there really is no fight. The only other advantage Intel holds right now is Quicksync and some AVX512 workloads. That said, Intel will definitely be a consideration after my Zen 2 upgrade *when* they bring the competition back in both price and performance.

    And for all you people that might try to argue that you need a new motherboard to get the gains from Zen 2, you have your head in the sand. This is not the case and has been verified. You get PCIe 4.0 from x570, but that is pretty much it and has a minuscule impact on almost all real world workloads.
     
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