HOT ! Various 1TB NVMe with coveted E12 Controller $135 aprox retail

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Just got my overpriced 1tb inland from amazon.

Crystal disk info shows firmware ECFM22.4.

Does that mean it is running 12.3? The tool listed from a few pages shows firmware commit fail.

My speeds seem a little slow in my laptop but I did just clone windows onto it and running from the inland drive now.

Apparently there is ECFM22.5 floating around, Corsair last month said it was a bug with the updater but some people have uploaded on userbench that show the 22.5.
 

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I just got my 2nd inland 1tb nvme drive. Mine is also running ECFM22.4, not sure what firmware this. My old drive from a few months ago runs 12.2.
 

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I just read this in a user review of the Sabrent 1TB
"Sabrent has released software via their website which allows the sectors to be resized should you wish to clone an older drive."
This is to use sector sizes smaller than 4K.
Has anyone tried it yet?

ps what KBs do you need installed on Windows 7 to support NVME?
I help people with locked down PCs and it might be nice for them to use these drives.
 

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Thread title updated to new "lower" price of $104.99

Might start to see a pricing trend moving down.

This is the first price break in over 2 months / 60 days.
 

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Such a great drive, factor in the price and it's unbelievable.
I'm tempted to get another one to replace my boot drive, even though the difference isn't that major, the extra 500GB would be nice...

Can't wait to see where this technology goes in the future though.
 

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I definitely see a significant reduction in boot time on my Ryzen 3700x system with this NVME compared to the i5 3570k @ 4500Mhz & 500GB Samsung SATA I had before.
 

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Thread title updated to $99 ... amazing ... amazing deal. Welcome to 2020 ya'll .... can't wait to see these new intel 12 --- 14 -- 18 core CPU's.
 

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:eek: Wow, it was already impulse-buy level, and now I'm having a very hard time keeping myself from buying one of these, even though I don't have an extreme need for one. It's such a good deal I'm almost considering replacing my Windows 10 500GB nvme boot drive with one of these just for the extra room. Someone stop me :)

Have an external drive I'd like to replace with one of these in an enclosure. Won't get full speeds but I want that 4K file transfer performance :hungry:
 

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just a question on the thread owner... is this microcenter or inland rep trying to sell his nvme's?
 
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:eek: Wow, it was already impulse-buy level, and now I'm having a very hard time keeping myself from buying one of these, even though I don't have an extreme need for one. It's such a good deal I'm almost considering replacing my Windows 10 500GB nvme boot drive with one of these just for the extra room. Someone stop me :)

Have an external drive I'd like to replace with one of these in an enclosure. Won't get full speeds but I want that 4K file transfer performance :hungry:

Do it! Do it! Do it! :p
 
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just a question on the thread owner... is this microcenter or inland rep trying to sell his nvme's?

They sell themselves.

But to answer your question all I have to do is tell you that the answer lies right under your nose. Look at the views of this thread, the comments. Page after page. That's right, I share the same enthusiasm as everyone else here. Before this NVME drive with it's E12 processor, and price point, you had to spend $250 - $350 for the same level of performance. This drive was and continues to be a game changer.

I have a few accounts here on HardOCP. one nearly 20 years old and this account that's from 2004.

Do you really think I moved from Russia at a early age, implanted into the US population and for 20 years infiltrated Micocenter just to help sell this very NVMe SSD driver on behalf of Mother Russia? You caught me, I don't work for the KGB, I work for the NVMe. Or, "Neighbors Value Micocenter Electronics." Or, reading that, and how silly that sounds, I'm instantly reminded of who Robin Williams was with after the guy chased him down in the movie Moscow on the Hudson lmao. "I'm no KGB, I am _ _ _ "

Actually this is such a popular thread, and not to toot my own horn but I wonder if we couldn't find a mod to collect small donations from people on this thread for a period of time until we get enough to buy one of these drives and at random, using a webcam and random number generator, give one of these drivers away to someone on the thread. That would be really cool.
 

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They sell themselves.

But to answer your question all I have to do is tell you that the answer lies right under your nose. Look at the views of this thread, the comments. Page after page. That's right, I share the same enthusiasm as everyone else here. Before this NVME drive with it's E12 processor, and price point, you had to spend $250 - $350 for the same level of performance. This drive was and continues to be a game changer.

I have a few accounts here on HardOCP. one nearly 20 years old and this account that's from 2004.

Do you really think I moved from Russia at a early age, implanted into the US population and for 20 years infiltrated Micocenter just to help sell this very NVMe SSD driver on behalf of Mother Russia? You caught me, I don't work for the KGB, I work for the NVMe. Or, "Neighbors Value Micocenter Electronics." Or, reading that, and how silly that sounds, I'm instantly reminded of who Robin Williams was with after the guy chased him down in the movie Moscow on the Hudson lmao. "I'm no KGB, I am _ _ _ "

Actually this is such a popular thread, and not to toot my own horn but I wonder if we couldn't find a mod to collect small donations from people on this thread for a period of time until we get enough to buy one of these drives and at random, using a webcam and random number generator, give one of these drivers away to someone on the thread. That would be really cool.


I do not mind it either way (unless you are kgb sleeper agent - and drives contain trojans) - but you seem like a company marketing guy.
 

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:eek: Wow, it was already impulse-buy level, and now I'm having a very hard time keeping myself from buying one of these, even though I don't have an extreme need for one. It's such a good deal I'm almost considering replacing my Windows 10 500GB nvme boot drive with one of these just for the extra room. Someone stop me :)

Have an external drive I'd like to replace with one of these in an enclosure. Won't get full speeds but I want that 4K file transfer performance :hungry:

Me too...I kind of need a drive, and this is a pretty good deal.
 

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I am too curious if anyone has a link to the firmware updater, from what I have read I am guessing it is a generic tool provided by Phision for the E12 series but am lacking Yoda skills to find it in the wild ;)
 
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Just installed one of these in my system. I just wanted the add space. Already had a 512 plextor nvme drive. Can’t really say if I can tell much of a difference in day to day use. Does seam a little faster on loading some stuff then the old drive. But that could just be me. Does bench about twice as fast though on my old x99 system.
 

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Could not live without a toolbox/dash board.As much as I entertained this $99 drive.Kicked in $15 more at micro center for Sandisk extreme pro 1Tb $115.
 

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I see the ECFM 12.3 out there. Anything newer that I should be using instead once I get my SSD? What's the difference between that and the 22.4/22.5 that Corsair has?
 

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How would one of these be in an Intel NUC? Building a new one shortly and was going to use a Crucial MX 500 M2 2280? Using the Crucial in a desktop and it’s quick.

Is heat a consideration with the NVMe drive in a NUC that is primarily used for hone type stuff (web, Office products, etc. No gaming). Not looking to ramp up the NUC fan as they can get loud when worked hard.

Benchmarks the Inland is obviously faster but day to day use any real difference that would be noticeable with a premium on keeping the heat down for silent (or as close as possible).
 

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How would one of these be in an Intel NUC? Building a new one shortly and was going to use a Crucial MX 500 M2 2280? Using the Crucial in a desktop and it’s quick.

Is heat a consideration with the NVMe drive in a NUC that is primarily used for hone type stuff (web, Office products, etc. No gaming). Not looking to ramp up the NUC fan as they can get loud when worked hard.

Benchmarks the Inland is obviously faster but day to day use any real difference that would be noticeable with a premium on keeping the heat down for silent (or as close as possible).
I have a ton of mini heatsinks left from modding gfx cards.
I'm going to cool the E12 controller with those glued on and direct some airflow to it.
Hmm, I might use thermal tape instead of glue, it wont get that hot.
I'll let you know how it pans out.
 

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I have a ton of mini heatsinks left from modding gfx cards.
I'm going to cool the E12 controller with those glued on and direct some airflow on it.
Hmm, I might use thermal tape instead of glue, it wont get that hot.
I'll let you know how it pans out.

Please do provide an update. I don’t know that I need a blazing fast drive in the NUC but the Inland is about $10 cheaper for what appears to be a superior SSD but curious/concerned about heat in the “K” (short) version of the NUC.
 

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Please do provide an update. I don’t know that I need a blazing fast drive in the NUC but the Inland is about $10 cheaper for what appears to be a superior SSD but curious/concerned about heat in the “K” (short) version of the NUC.

You can be sure the faster the drive and the harder you push it, the hotter it will get.
If it gets light use most of the time it probably wont be an issue without a heatsink.
Though if it gets pushed hard and the E12 controller reaches throttling temp, it wont overheat but performance will drop.
Problem might be you end up throttling the controller most of the time without a heatsink inside a small case.

Also:
NAND doesnt like to be very cool, warm is good. NAND doesnt usually get hot like the processor.
It has been recommended not to put a sink on the NAND chips, only the E12 controller, but inside a tiny case it might be necessary.
See how it goes, check how hot they get to the touch. If they feel very hot, stick a sink on each NAND chip.
The ambient temp inside the case should be of adequate warmth to keep them happy.

ps
I stated about the NAND because there is no temperature throttling if the NAND gets too hot. (I think this is right but am open to correction)
You must look after that yourself if the environment is hot.
 
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^ this, from my research nand prefers to be 45-60c, 35c or less under load it can reduce the lifespan and over 70c it can throttle. Happy medium with a thermal pad is usually sufficient (if anything), avoid active cooling.
 

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Looks like this has been an issue with some previous NUC’s and intel added a thermal pad. Have to see if the newer 8th gen have this as standard.

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005914/mini-pcs/intel-nuc-kits.html
Those mSATA SSDs can be stuck to metal of the case with the thermal pad I believe, I wonder if they are stuck to the motherboard though.
Would that be enough?

It might be possible to stick the SSD to the case with an NVME extension from a normal PC mobo but I have not tried one and dont know if they will cause problems or limit the speed.
Food for thought anyway and not relevant for you :)

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https://www3.intel.com/content/www/xr/ar/support/articles/000005914/mini-pcs/intel-nuc-kits.html
I found this which says
"The thermal pad is placed between the mSATA SSD and the bottom of the chassis to improve the thermal performance"
It is stuck to the metal chassis.

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Haha its from the same article, I guess I cant read.
 
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Got my 512GB Inland in the mail yesterday. I should be kicking myself for waiting this long to get one. I've never seen Windows load up so fast.

Question, does Windows 10 1903 handle these drives better than past Windows version? I know in the Windows 7 days that SSD drives needed some tweaking to make sure they lasted a long time.
 

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I know in the Windows 7 days that SSD drives needed some tweaking to make sure they lasted a long time.
Where did you get that?
My boot drive is a 6.5 yr old 840 Pro with almost 55,000 hrs on the clock.

Perhaps you are talking about early drive controllers that didnt run trim automatically.
 
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