I've bought the Asus 31.5" IGZO 4K to try out versus the 3x Eizo setup. Should be an interesting comparison.
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I've bought the Asus 31.5" IGZO 4K to try out versus the 3x Eizo setup. Should be an interesting comparison.
Probably not really - IGZO are slow so I fully expect it will be massacred again 120Hz strobing display.
I've bought the Asus 31.5" IGZO 4K to try out versus the 3x Eizo setup. Should be an interesting comparison.
Not really, the Asus 4K monitor is considerably worse (750:1 contrast ratio, 1 frame+ delay, less accurate+smaller color gamut, slower pixel response times) than most of the 300$ 1440p Korean models and has an insultingly low LED PWM Dimming Frequency.
Could you try with this pattern:
http://img15.hostingpics.net/pics/583351gammashifttestrecadr.png
Don't forget thisOk, but brightness 50 in a dark room, you trying to go blind you know how bright that is on three screens lol. WIll do later tonight
I was going to do that when the 4K screen came in. I just realized, the 4K screen is technically run as 2 monitors. I wonder if NVIDIA surround will allow one 4K screen with the surround setup active.
I was going to do that when the 4K screen came in. I just realized, the 4K screen is technically run as 2 monitors. I wonder if NVIDIA surround will allow one 4K screen with the surround setup active.
Just by these pictures, the IPS display doesn't look too good (the glow/BLB is definitely killing it), but at least you can see the gray stripes everywhere on the screen. On your photo, I can see those stripes clearly only at the edge of the screens. They are barely visible in the centre. It seems like crushed blacks. I know you've said that in person and normal viewing conditions, things are different, but I guess that would be the case with the above mentioned IPS screen, too.Look at the difference!
Just by these pictures, the IPS display doesn't look too good (the glow/BLB is definitely killing it), but at least you can see the gray stripes everywhere on the screen. On your photo, I can see those stripes clearly only at the edge of the screens. They are barely visible in the centre. It seems like crushed blacks. I know you've said that in person and normal viewing conditions, things are different, but I guess that would be the case with the above mentioned IPS screen, too.
PS: Your samples look pretty good compared to some of the other members'.
Here is what happens when I adjust the levels of your picture so the stripes visibility becomes closer to the pictures we want to compare with:
Complete different story now. From this I would only see your 2 best ones (center and right) being only on par with the average I've already seen from other users, and the left one being below average, as some unlucky users have had. So nothing different with your set of 3 than what I've seen from other users. Take a picture where we see the stripes as we see them in the 2 first pictures of my post (by using longer exposure time) and then we can do a better comparison.
About the IPS comparison now. I can only say IPS succeeds way better in this test. Talking about a picture alone without further explanations from the person who took it is irrelevant (the same is true for the fg2421 gamma shift pictures of course). I have done the test with my own IPS panel and I can tell you the light at the edges (IPS glow) on the picture is waaay exagerrated by the camera (I have the same when I take a picture of mine displaying this patern). With naked eyes you only barely see it if you look straight at the panel. You only see it a lot more if you move your head off the center (lot of glow at the opposite side angle vs your head position).
Beside this, the stripes brightness uniformity from left to right is excellent on IPS, and this is precisely what we are looking at with this test pattern (lack of contrast is irrelevant, we already know it will be a lot worse with an IPS).
Looks like the FG2421 got dinged big time in the color accuracy / calibration section in the prad.de review which brought its overall score down (I have a three-month subscription that hasn't lapsed yet). Their comment on the last page was that it would be rated "very good" if only counted as a gaming monitor
Input lag at 60 Hz = 21.2 ms total (16.8 ms processing / 4.4 ms pixel transitions).
Input lag at 120 Hz = 12.8 ms total (8.5 ms processing / 4.4 ms pixel transitions).
So one frame essentially.
Don't you realize how what you say here is completely silly...You are just getting completely silly. "blahblahlbah"
Question to owners : are there visible overdrive artifacts in 120Hz turbo on mode ?
Don't you realize how what you say here is completely silly...
You are being told to take a picture but you are too ***** to set your camera to take it properly.
The uploaded result is a picture that is so dark you can't even see anything.
On top of that you "laugh at" the IPS result, not even realizing that such a bright picture is the result of the camera setting.
You don't even understand exaggerating the result with the camera settings (you are the only one who talks about using the screen at full brightness. Learn to read) is to make the flaw more apparent (like prad could do in their review to make ips glow apparent), hence why I said picture alone isn't enough to share something with others and further details are required to tell how it looks like with naked eyes.
And you don't understand neither the goal of this test, as we are wondering about gamma shift, is to check uniformity of the bars from one side to another, which IPS achieve perfectly contrary to VA (which is what the pictures show).
You are that clueless about it you haven't even put the patern in the right direction for your picture...
And you want to give me advice after that ? Lol. Pot calling the kettle black...
Take a proper picture and I bet we'll see your screens have the same issue other owners have encountered, instead of uploading crappy ones where we can't see anything and that can make some people think you are the super lucky guy who got 3 unaffected panels while everyone else talk about the issue on his screen...
Though I'm not sure taking a proper picture is something you are capable of given the incompetence you already have shown here and there. Shall I mention:
- your silly answer to my post
- the fact you were not able to spot clearly apparent cross hatching on a picture
- the fact you asked if cross hatching could be seen with naked eyes or just on a picture (yeah, we are wondering about a flaw we can't see with naked eyes... )
- the fact you learn 4k monitor is ran as 2 separated screens the day you receive it (I knew this without looking for infos on 4k screens)
- your laughable comparison picture with the rose in your fg2421 "review" ("Vega's review of the world’s first 120 Hz strobing backlight VA panel monitor" as you humbly called it )
And I could continue....
Get back on earth mate. Spending tons of money into hardware is not enough to set your feedback as reference. If you have no clue about what you are doing it will just be irrelevant feedback.I find sad some seem considering you as a guru just because tons of monitors you have had in your hands. It didn't took me long to realize how irrelevant your feedback was, and how the guru status some granted you have gone to your head as demonstrates the condescending behavior you have had with other users already...
Sorry everyone for this post but this was getting on my nerves. The goal of sharing feedback is to help others to take their decisions, not to lose them with irrelevant/biased feedback.
My mini review. I Haven't used 50+ monitors like Vega but I have been gaming on the pc for 17 years.
My previous monitor was an acer gd235 120hz and this eizo is far superior. TF2 is now incredibly smooth. Zero motion blur. 120hz is smooth but 240hz turbo is even smoother no ghosting and easier to track players.
Bf4 everything is very fluid. If you play fast paced action games this monitor was built for you.
Grid 2 racing silky smooth. Difference for this game not as big as fps games compared to 120hz but still a noticeable improvement.
The contrast on this monitor is incredible. Gaming is much more immersive and colors stand out more compared to my old monitor. Bf4 and grid 2 I see colors and details I did not see before. Lifelike quality sometimes get distracted by the beauty and end up dying =/.
There are a few cons. The edges are brighter on some colors like the panel is not uniform like many have said . I noticed this mostly while browsing on websites with a solid color background. Price could be a con it is pretty pricey but worth it for me. No cross hatching or dead pixels.
This is the first lcd I've used that reminds me of the crt days in terms of motion clarity and smoothness. That and the amazing colors and contrast make this monitor a big winner especially if you like fps, action and racing games.
Although there will be some slight brightness variation on the far right edge on certain colors, some people around here would have you believe it's the end of the world.
Gotta agree with neel there, my cheap IPS actually does wonders on the bars test (mine has almost no glow but some visible clouding on the bottom right corner). Having good contrast matters, but to me so does having good uniformity. This Eizo loses (well it loses because it is also expensive by my standards, so input lag + crushed blacks + so-so uniformity add up).
And I don't see why people say colour accuracy is not important for gaming. If you don't just play competitive online games of course it matters, even if all games are probably not produced with calibrated screens, having your monitor calibrated is still the best way of enjoying the game in conditions as close as possible to the ones intended by the artists. Same debate as in the hi-fi world with coloured vs neutral gear. Feel free to prefer "coloured" gear but that does not make neutral/accurate gear useless or bad under any circumstances.
Please don't downplay the issue too much.. If you've seen my video, I think you'd agree that some samples have more bleed/color shift/glow/whatever than is acceptable, especially for a monitor in this price range. The stuff on mine isn't viewing angle dependent like I've made clear before, so it isn't inherent to the technology. It has that too, but it's basically negligible compared to the bleed/glow (unless you sit very close to the screen).
I should note that the problem was visible on any brightness level.
I mostly agree with neel here. It is hard to judge how good your screens are by the pictures you have posted. Your left screen looks a bit worse than the others, and it looks like it has that same thin strip of glow/bleed as mine. I obviously can't tell whats going on at the bottom of the screens.
As far as I'm concerned there still isn't any proof that really good samples are out there.
That black central blob on that pattern only appears on images, not in reality. I've tried it too, no idea why that illusion happens on camera. (maybe it does exist, and the brain just removes it from the pattern, can't say).
It's an exaggerated worst-case scenario illusion-inducing image that really has very little real-world relevance.
Also, color accuracy measured a few percent off on still images by an instrument does not matter one bit for gaming, perceived quality and maintaining that color accuracy in motion does.
This monitor can both display blacks (which aren't included in standard tests outside of contrast values), and maintain its (actually really quite good) color accuracy in quite fast motion.
Lets say that if this monitor can maintain 85-95% color accuracy in fps-speed motion, the best and fastest IPS/PLS would land at a fraction of that due to smearing of colors, inability do display black, etc. Add low lightning to to motion and count black as a color, and the best IPS/PLS in the world will probably only be something like 20-40% accurate and in addition have lower effective resolution due to blur. (pulled those numbers out of my ass, yes - probably not far from reality, though).
It would be very interesting to have a colorimeter chase-cam