Eizo Foris FG2421: 120hz VA Panel

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Supports 240hz Conversion with White Paper Technology. PDF with Information.

+Semi-Glossy Coating
+PWM Free down to 20% Brightness
+True 120hz
+VA panel with deep blacks (4x higher contrast vs. non VA panels)
-possible matte coating cross-hatching reported by reviewers and [H]'ers
-Back-light bleeding
-Obvious corner glow

Reviews

Flat Panels HD Review
SWECLOCKERS Review (Swedish, use Google or Chrome to translate)
Hardware Norway Review (Norwegian, use Google or Chrome to translate)
Pure PC Review (Polish, use Google or Chrome to translate)
TFT Central Review
PRAD (German, use Google or Chrome to translate)

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SWECLOCKERS said:
For normal work, web, surfing and watching movies recommended "user" mode: change the "temperature" of 6500K, disable Contrast Enhancer and run Gamma 2.0 setting to practically get an expected 2.2-Tone curve.

TFT Central Settings. TFT ICC Profile

phillyboy said:
Here are my ICC Profiles for various gamma/color setups I was playing with. Excluding those differences all of them were set to the following:

Brightness 14
Contrast 50
Black Level 50
Contrast Enhancer Standard
Turbo 240 OFF

I believe all of them were at red/green/blue gains of 100 as well.

FG2421_G24_Native.icm (Color 'Off' Gamma 2.4)
http://rapidshare.com/share/C5C75859E10BD74FCC6502B09F13061D

FG2421_D65.icm (Gamma 2.2 6500K)
http://rapidshare.com/share/90B4C72EF012A728111B4EC47FDA2AD1

FG2421_PWR_D65.icm (Gamma 'Power' 6500K - not recommended for normal use)
http://rapidshare.com/share/A76BFED29005DDDD81A50EC4EDE2ECFB
 
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Very interesting, looking forward to seeing reviews of this and how the strobed backlighting compares to Lightboost in terms of motion clarity and better colours due to using a VA panel.

Also sounds like MSRP will be around $650 based on googling? Expensive for a screen of this size and resolution, but not totally ridiculous.
 

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Interesting monitor

Interpolation starts to make alot of sense when you are sending 120+ unique frames

EDIT: ok its NOT interpolation :)
 
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Interesting monitor

Interpolation starts to make alot of sense when you are sending 120+ unique frames

there is NO interpolation with this monitor. 120hz input has each frame doubled with an added effect that seems similar to nvidia's lightboost for decreased motion blur.


Think about it: interpolation for static content is one thing because the system can look ahead at the next frame and put together some sort of composite inbetween. Interpolation for gaming makes no sense because there is no information the system can look at in the future to base it's interpolation from.

I am excited and frankly shocked by this monitor. I don't have any experience with lightboost-type technology so not sure what to make of this panel's ideas compared to that but just seeing a proper VA 120hz panel with a healthy static contrast ratio is amazing. I thought manufacturers were deaf to everything.

Now my final wish would be to see this sort of VA 120hz panel in a 27" 1440p resolution, but I'm thinking I'll probably have to wait another few years for that.
 

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there is NO interpolation with this monitor. 120hz input has each frame doubled with an added effect that seems similar to nvidia's lightboost for decreased motion blur.
No interpolation, you are right

Think about it: interpolation for static content is one thing because the system can look ahead at the next frame and put together some sort of composite inbetween. Interpolation for gaming makes no sense because there is no information the system can look at in the future to base it's interpolation from.
You are talking about extrapolation and yes it is a very bad idea for gaming

Interpolation = wait for two or more successive frames and insert an interim
Extrapolation = analyze previous frames and make a prediction in real time (before the next frame)

They are both motion prediction but extrapolation error is far worse :)
 

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Yay! I hope this means 120Hz VA panels are coming out from other vendors too. TN needs to die.
 

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Only question mark for me is the extra frame (8.3ms) of input lag over other 120hz gaming displays. As with lightboost this may be offset by the lack of sample/hold effect. Other than that this looks like a viable option for us die hard CRT users.


1ms pixel response time for VA must mean they are using strobe length = response time. If this trend takes off it could result in a strobe war :) 120hz => 960hz, 0.1ms pixel response / strobe = marketing heaven.
 

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for 1st/3rd person perspective cgi worlds, 16:9 mode is better for gaming, even on a 16:10 since games use HOR+. This is a gaming monitor, which for most people is primarily or includes a lot of 1st/3rd person perspective games. For desktop/apps, higher resolution monitors are better for greater real-estate.
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I'll be interested to see how this compares to the nvidia g-sync capable monitors due out next year. They will have an either/or option as it stands now - variable refresh rate to match fps dynamically (eliminating v-sync/non-vsync side effects), or a superior to lightboost backlight strobing function. They also said there will be 2560x and 4k monitors released with g-sync , but they didn't say if any would be greater than 60hz.

Personally I need 120hz, and a glossy display would be best. Like others said, I would also prefer 27" which also matches my 27" 2560x ips at the same desk better. Considering the g-sync monitors due out next year, I am going to wait-and-see on what models and performance come out.
 

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A step in the right direction here. Promising. Eager to see more about this.
 

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Product Page

Supports 240hz Conversion with White Paper Technology. PDF with Information.

I'm hoping you get your hands on one of these.


http://gaming.eizo.com/products/foris_fg2421/

I wish it were 16:10 and all that and I'm wondering if this first shot in a volley to come. I don't want to make any impulse decisions but if I see this pop up and the price is right and I see it at a place like Amazon then I'm going to be sorely tempted to take a shot at it.

A 27 2560X1440 version of this would be HUGE potentially.
 
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I can see people are having a hard time tracking down price besides just me. One site said 499 Euros... Eizo has the five year warranty on this.

I did a search for this monitor and can see the news is making waves pretty fast.
 

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flatpanels will have review later today

looks promising, but a few thoughts:

  • some proper lag testing would be nice, I've been told twice by different eizo reps that lag is "no longer a problem" despite tests showing ~20ms on certain models I enquired about
  • what is with this fashion for no VESA mounts?
  • €500 / £450 price is no surprise from Eizo, but still :eek:
  • Asus exclusive on g-sync until later next year is very disappointing
ho hum, still dreaming of something like this but 28.5", 4K, no lag, g-sync, 8 bit, no banding, VESA mounts. It's probably not going to happen in my lifetime
 

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Awesome, glad to see see some quality display options with good motion clarity. 1080p is a non starter for me though.
 

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Awesome, glad to see see some quality display options with good motion clarity. 1080p is a non starter for me though.

That's more or less maximum resolution you can push to 120 fps without dual titan class cards
 

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I can see people are having a hard time tracking down price besides just me. One site said 499 Euros... Eizo has the five year warranty on this.
Native Digital are a typical "colour critical" type dealer: £444.00 (inc VAT) £370.00 (exc VAT) - their prices are always reflective of the MSRP and specialist dealer pricing strategy, but it's Eizo so I wouldn't expect vast discounts from the big mainstream retailers.

Maybe keep an eye on Jigsaw24, or email them to ask, they are sometimes competitive in UK/EU for Eizo. I have used them before, but no idea what they're like if something needs to be returned.
 
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I'm in the States but that was about the only frame of reference I could find.

I see some dissent and arguments out there about the 240Hz function. Guess what? You can turn it off if you don't like it. That's a nice bonus.

120Hz that's not on cheap TN is the big news here.
 

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I'm in the States but that was about the only frame of reference I could find.

I think the ex. VAT prices would suggest a $550 - $600 price point for the USA?

120Hz that's not on cheap TN is the big news here.
Indeed, I am actually quite curious to know which panel manufacturer is supplying the panel, if that might give us a clue about larger panels possibly arriving in the next 12-18 months
 
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Big news I agree, however to my knowledge VA panels need a lot of work in the overdrive department and as a result they usually have pretty big input lag when they have good pixel response time. I am waiting for G-sync monitors anyway but still very curious about this monitor.
 

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VA panels have a good input lag. for example the BenQ GW2450HM has 6ms input lag and it's the fastest VA at the moment.
 

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Eizo = tier A manufacturer not some cheap shit dell with QC issues :D

From my understanding, Eizo QC isn't the best either with their other gaming monitor, the FS2333. For instance, things like this. Even in the review posted on the first page for this new monitor you can see it suffers from backlight bleeding.
 

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Seems like great news, black level is the thing i feel the VG248QE lacks most.
Bought one, will have it tomorrow or on friday.
I can test input lag with dvi-splitter vs the asus, no crt to test with.
 

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From my understanding, Eizo QC isn't the best either with their other gaming monitor, the FS2333. For instance, things like this. Even in the review posted on the first page for this new monitor you can see it suffers from backlight bleeding.

Still, I think the VA panel would help with bleeding issues, given their massive contrast. I haven't heard many scary reports of bleed in VA panels (as opposed to IPS). I personally got fried 2 times out of 3 with IPS monitors bought in the last 2 years. They weren't Eizo, but still...
 

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I've really got to start skipping right to the specs and looking for resolution before I look at anything else. 1080p is so disappointing.
 

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I've really got to start skipping right to the specs and looking for resolution before I look at anything else. 1080p is so disappointing.

Personally I would prefer 27" and 2560x1440(yes it requires a lot of GPU power to drive at high framerates, but it would probably be $1000 anyway and dual gtx 780s is the same price), that said, this monitor is still a step in the right direction.

16:9 is the better aspect ratio for gaming since it gives you a wider field of view, as well as being slightly easier to drive than 1920x1200, so it makes total sense for a monitor of this size.
 

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It's a great start.

27 inch 2560x1440 with this kind of tech would be sensational and will probably happen before *too* long but you'd need to probably SLI at least two Titans to do something right by it.

I'd pay $1000 for that monitor. I paid that much for my NEC 2490wuxi 4-5 years ago that I'm still using.


When is this thing supposed to actually street?
 

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Huh, I was wondering if they would reuse their Duravision panel in a gaming monitor.... didn't figure it'd be cheap enough for them to do it. Now I wonder if that panel is somehow exclusive to Eizo, or if other companies will reuse it (in more affordable monitors).

I don't even game on PCs, and it looks pretty good. The angle issue may be a problem for some, but the better motion would probably outweigh that negative.
 

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Seems like great news, black level is the thing i feel the VG248QE lacks most.
Bought one, will have it tomorrow or on friday.
I can test input lag with dvi-splitter vs the asus, no crt to test with.

Can I ask where did you buy it? I take if you are in Europe?


One thing I've noticed:

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Those top and bottom bezels look nice and small. With the image quality and viewing angle improvements over TN, in combination with nice and small bezels, these would make great portrait Eyefinity/Surround monitors.

I just need to find out where to buy them! I'll start with three and maybe get 5 if I can find a way to get 5 way Eyefinity working with four 290X's. Not sure those MST Hubs can do 1920x1080 @ 120 Hz x 3.
 

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Indeed, I am actually quite curious to know which panel manufacturer is supplying the panel, if that might give us a clue about larger panels possibly arriving in the next 12-18 months
I would assume AUO, but I suppose it could be someone else. I recall they were working on 120hz panels at one time, but either they weren't ready, or for whatever reason weren't released. I guess it could be someone like Sharp or Panasonic, but that would seem unlikely.
 

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Well this must be the big October display news that we were told to wait for - I'll take it!

Figures that I just got my QX2710 in today too to try - but hey the more the merrier.
 

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Would be nice to know when this will be available in North America, or if it'll have to be imported...
 

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I'm hoping you get your hands on one of these.

Thx but there is no way Eizo will send me one & I can't afford one.

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A few notes: Eizo is clearly attempting to emulate BenQ, but are not competing on the same level design wise imo. It looks like their professional monitors: boring and bland. Some of the BenQ RL & XL monitors looks much nicer and have proper stands, the FG2421's limited height adjustment is silly. What about PWM? BenQ just replaced their RL & XL monitors with PWM free versions.

1080p is fine since 2560x1440@120hz requires 2x 670/7950's at minimum.
 
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