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Dell U2412M
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Also, like a few others I'm trying to decide which direction to go. Never had anything other than CRT, so totally clueless. I have all though found 2 that seem "good" and would like your thoughts/ opinions on either.
Used mostly for FPS, Civ type games, BF series, COD and of coarse net surfing, light photoshop (Black and White) patterns.
Looking at the Dell US U2412m you guys have been discussing
also the ASUS PA Series PA238Q
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236201
Thanks for any thoughts/pointers or recommendations
Used mostly for FPS, Civ type games, BF series, COD and of coarse net surfing, light photoshop (Black and White) patterns.
Looking at the Dell US U2412m you guys have been discussing
also the ASUS PA Series PA238Q
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236201
Thanks for any thoughts/pointers or recommendations
I just got my second U2412M today and am quite happy with it.
My former monitor has been a Dell 2408WFP - beautiful monitor but one that developed the vertical magenta lines earlier this year (multiple lines appear a few inches from the right side of the screen after a cold turn-on and disappear after half an hour).
When the problem first happened, the monitor was still in warranty but I was sent a refurbished U2410 as a replacement. And unfortunately this particular refurb not only had some serious color issues (including a large and ugly reddish blob in the center of a black background in the shape of an undiscovered continent), but I also wasn't too keen on the sparkly AG coating when viewing any text. So I sent it back and kept the 2408WFP and ignored the lines until they went away each day.
After reading all the feedback on the U2412M, I ordered one for another computer to check it out, and found it holds up really well side-by-side with the 2408WFP. Obviously, there can never be perfect substitutions between monitors, but for a ~$325 monitor I like it quite a bit more as a replacement than I had the U2410. Nice blacks. Yes, some light bleed but not overtly bad - so obviously not quite as uniform as the 2408WFP (which was a higher-end S-PVA anyway). Crisp text and the AG seems to be only slightly more so than the 2408WFP and not quite so distracting to my subjective tastes as the U2410 had been (besides that particular refurb's other issues). No dead pixels, and doesn't run as hot as that beast of a 2408WFP
Energy use should also be better.
The oval stand feels as secure as the former 2408WFP's "V" stand had been. The tilt/swivel/height are all very nice - especially height adjustment.
I like it quite a bit and am very happy with this choice.
Thanks for all the people who posted and gave feedback and opinions in this thread.
My former monitor has been a Dell 2408WFP - beautiful monitor but one that developed the vertical magenta lines earlier this year (multiple lines appear a few inches from the right side of the screen after a cold turn-on and disappear after half an hour).
When the problem first happened, the monitor was still in warranty but I was sent a refurbished U2410 as a replacement. And unfortunately this particular refurb not only had some serious color issues (including a large and ugly reddish blob in the center of a black background in the shape of an undiscovered continent), but I also wasn't too keen on the sparkly AG coating when viewing any text. So I sent it back and kept the 2408WFP and ignored the lines until they went away each day.
After reading all the feedback on the U2412M, I ordered one for another computer to check it out, and found it holds up really well side-by-side with the 2408WFP. Obviously, there can never be perfect substitutions between monitors, but for a ~$325 monitor I like it quite a bit more as a replacement than I had the U2410. Nice blacks. Yes, some light bleed but not overtly bad - so obviously not quite as uniform as the 2408WFP (which was a higher-end S-PVA anyway). Crisp text and the AG seems to be only slightly more so than the 2408WFP and not quite so distracting to my subjective tastes as the U2410 had been (besides that particular refurb's other issues). No dead pixels, and doesn't run as hot as that beast of a 2408WFP
Energy use should also be better.The oval stand feels as secure as the former 2408WFP's "V" stand had been. The tilt/swivel/height are all very nice - especially height adjustment.
I like it quite a bit and am very happy with this choice.
Thanks for all the people who posted and gave feedback and opinions in this thread.
Did you play any games on it? I wanted to know how much ghosting/blurring it has during fast games.
I just got my second U2412M today and am quite happy with it.
My former monitor has been a Dell 2408WFP - beautiful monitor but one that developed the vertical magenta lines earlier this year (multiple lines appear a few inches from the right side of the screen after a cold turn-on and disappear after half an hour).
When the problem first happened, the monitor was still in warranty but I was sent a refurbished U2410 as a replacement. And unfortunately this particular refurb not only had some serious color issues (including a large and ugly reddish blob in the center of a black background in the shape of an undiscovered continent), but I also wasn't too keen on the sparkly AG coating when viewing any text. So I sent it back and kept the 2408WFP and ignored the lines until they went away each day.
After reading all the feedback on the U2412M, I ordered one for another computer to check it out, and found it holds up really well side-by-side with the 2408WFP. Obviously, there can never be perfect substitutions between monitors, but for a ~$325 monitor I like it quite a bit more as a replacement than I had the U2410. Nice blacks. Yes, some light bleed but not overtly bad - so obviously not quite as uniform as the 2408WFP (which was a higher-end S-PVA anyway). Crisp text and the AG seems to be only slightly more so than the 2408WFP and not quite so distracting to my subjective tastes as the U2410 had been (besides that particular refurb's other issues). No dead pixels, and doesn't run as hot as that beast of a 2408WFP
The oval stand feels as secure as the former 2408WFP's "V" stand had been. The tilt/swivel/height are all very nice - especially height adjustment.
I like it quite a bit and am very happy with this choice.
Thanks for all the people who posted and gave feedback and opinions in this thread.
I would defer to some of the other posts on that. There are also a number of videos on YouTube, and the reviews on TFTCentral ( http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_u2412m.htm ) and HardwareCanucks ( http://www./forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/47128-dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-24-ips-monitor-review.html ) discuss it.
Most of what I've seen in that regard has seemed positive, and favorable compared to TN monitors. Same goes for when you Google "U2412M" and "gaming."
As an addendum - having now been using the U2412M for several hours as my main monitor, I am so far not missing the 2408WFP - which is really saying something. Subjectively, my screen has better clarity. And blacks are definitely coming out black, including using the monitor now after nightfall in a darkened room.
dark_reign
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Played Bulletstorm on it a week ago and didn't notice any. According to reviews there's some reverse ghosting, but I can't see it. It's there if you really look for it, but when gaming it's only going to bother someone that is really anal about it.
LittleMike
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So this screen is good for gaming as well? IPS are generally good for graphics. I got lost somewhere around page 60, but would I have to change the mode every time I want to do graphic work, or can I just set and forget it? My poor old CRT is finally dying, and I am trying desperately to find the best of both worlds (gaming and graphics). Maybe some other owners can chime in here. From what I was reading, everyone is happy with this screen, I'm just wondering if it suits my needs.
*EDIT* I'm dumb. Blame my old CRT that has the focus failing. Every time I read sRGB, I thought it said aRGB, so that's why I was so excited. Of course I never saw a mention of wide-gamut and should have realized. That's where the dumb part comes in.
With that said, I generally do most of my graphic work for web, not for print, so sRGB in my case would suffice. Yea, yeah, bad photographer. In my defense, is there a single wide-gamut monitor that doesn't have oversaturation when not in color managed applications? What the hell have starving photographers been using all this time? Wide-gamut is still kind of new. Do they just guess when doing soft-proofs?
Okay, okay, I'm off topic now. Carry on, folks. On the plus side, this looks like an awesome monitor and I may pick it up thanks to this thread. Unless anyone has any other suggestions.
-LM
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dark_reign
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It's great for gaming unless you must have near zero ghosting. I am simply blown away by the rich color saturation and deep blacks it produces. I used 10e's calibrated custom color settings and I find they work great for gaming, photo/video work, etc. The preset modes are kind of useless to me, but some may find them useful.
The only cons I can find with this monitor are the AG coating and IPS glow. I simply got used to the AG coating coming from an LCD that had a semiglossy coating. The IPS glow is only an issue if you sit very close to the monitor or need to view it at wide angles.
LittleMike
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Okay, cool. So I can just set and forget for the most part, but I have options. This is good to know. Thanks for the response. I'm liking this monitor more and more. Especially the sRGB coverage. Yes, I know, it's inferior, but until I start sending stuff to a lab for printing, it's not going to matter all that much. Much appreciated.
Dell needs to get those sweatshop workers in China (or whatever Asian country this is built in) on the move. I ordered this on 11/25. Original delivery date was 12/5. Then they moved it to 12/8. Now its 12/13!! Dell should have anticipated the demand and had plenty in stock at there warehouses in the US. Orignally I was going to get the ASUS VG278H, but after reading about those back light issues I decided to get this instead. Hopefully the wait will be worth it.
Qisda is the OEM manufacturer, which I believe is a subsidiary of BenQ (I think). Send them an e-mail
Gaming is 100% not an issue on this screen (as others here have said).
Low input lag = no mouse delay
Pixel response is competitive with most good IPS screens and not much slower than a speedy TN, if at all. The overdrive has a bit of over-shoot/reverse ghosting but nothing you are going to notice when playing, as this is mostly borne out only in cherry picked tests.
The blacks are solid and if you are looking at it from a sane angle there is very little white IPS glow, so dark games should look pretty good too.
Gaming on U2412M is a pain. Horrible reverse ghosting. Just read review and what real gamers says about it.
Dear Customer,
We're sorry but your order will take longer to fulfill than previously communicated and is now scheduled to be delivered on or before 12/13/2011
Because we did not meet the date previously communicated to you, we need your permission today to continue your order with this new date. If we do not receive your permission, the Federal Trade Commission requires that we cancel your order.
We're sorry but your order will take longer to fulfill than previously communicated and is now scheduled to be delivered on or before 12/13/2011
Because we did not meet the date previously communicated to you, we need your permission today to continue your order with this new date. If we do not receive your permission, the Federal Trade Commission requires that we cancel your order.
Everyone seems to be in that boat. At this rate, I'll be glad to get it this year.
For whatever it's worth, sellers on Amazon have been putting the U2412M up for around $335 shipped, sometimes $325. It's more than some of the deals Dell gave in November, but it's been very much in stock and with 2-day shipping if you have Prime. Some of the sellers have done $335 Prime (no shipping fee) and others a lower front-price with shipping fees that come out to $335.
You don't own one, but many of us do on this thread and have reported it as suitable, if not great for gaming.
Prad listed it as having low input lag and good response time.
TFTCentral reported it as having low lag and having better response time than the U2410.
I reported it on page 11 of this thread as having low lag and good response time.
Good price! It is incredible how cheap monitor are these days.
@10e
The facts speak for it self.
Dell U2412M review:
"Responsiveness: can't get rid of the reverse ghosting
It seems that Dell has been too enthusiastic with overdrive, a feature that should cut down on the ghosting time of a monitor, but which in the case of the U2412M actually introduces reverse ghosting. Worse still, there's no way to turn it off, so you're stuck with reverse ghosting.
We strongly recommend you don't use this screen for gaming, or indeed any other application which features fast-moving objects onscreen."
http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/dell-u2412m-p11538/test.html
I have tried it myself and I can only agree. Gamers who test U2412M simply find it very bad for gaming.
The facts speak for it self.
Dell U2412M review:
"Responsiveness: can't get rid of the reverse ghosting
It seems that Dell has been too enthusiastic with overdrive, a feature that should cut down on the ghosting time of a monitor, but which in the case of the U2412M actually introduces reverse ghosting. Worse still, there's no way to turn it off, so you're stuck with reverse ghosting.
We strongly recommend you don't use this screen for gaming, or indeed any other application which features fast-moving objects onscreen."
http://www.digitalversus.com/lcd-monitor/dell-u2412m-p11538/test.html
I have tried it myself and I can only agree. Gamers who test U2412M simply find it very bad for gaming.
Apparently you can turn off overdrive. It's just not in the main menu options:
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2412m.htm
This review addresses its gaming performance as compared generally to TN panels:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1312883832
And HardwareCanucks doesn't feel it's as good as TN monitors for fast-paced games:
http://www./forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/47128-dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-24-ips-monitor-review.html
Also some discussion on turning off overdrive:
http://www./forum/display-units/47481-dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-monitor-review-comment-thread-2.html
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/content/dell_u2412m.htm
This review addresses its gaming performance as compared generally to TN panels:
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1312883832
And HardwareCanucks doesn't feel it's as good as TN monitors for fast-paced games:
http://www./forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/47128-dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-24-ips-monitor-review.html
Also some discussion on turning off overdrive:
http://www./forum/display-units/47481-dell-ultrasharp-u2412m-monitor-review-comment-thread-2.html
Odd, I've been playing a multitude of games on mine now for a few months and don't have any complaints.
Sorry, but I can't believe you have ever tried a U2412M, after your posts on the U2312HM thread where you claimed at one point that you had three, and your dishonesty was quickly exposed:
http://hardforum.com/showthread.php?t=1629831
In addition, the Digital Versus test is a poorly conceived "response time" test which has juddering problems on every display I've tried, and I posted about that earlier on page 41. There is a point when you can use a cherry-picked test to fabricate an issue that is not there, and that's what Digital Versus does. Their short, non-informative reviews show me that they only spend a couple of minutes with each unit to run some response and calibration tests, and don't actually use it for anything.
http://hardforum.com/showpost.php?p=1037642113&postcount=813
Also, Prad.de, a site which constantly upgrades its testing methods and reports things as objectively as possible (in most cases), compares the U2412M to TN in "switching times", AKA response times, and "latency", AKA input lag, because it's so low.
"Latency
The latency is determined as sum of the signal delay time and half of the average frame. Key for gamers, we measure extremely short 0.9 milliseconds for the signal delay. Another 6.5 milliseconds later, the target brightness is reached. Being at 7.4 milliseconds, the mean total latency is very short.
Subjective assessment
The IPS panel of U2412M was trimmed to short switching times. The 6-bit colour control, as it is in use almost exclusively with TN panels otherwise, helps provide the display quite speedy response times – considered we deal with an IPS panel here! The overdrive circuit does the rest, but it is metered in such fashion that, in synthetic tests, artefacts are detected only to a relatively minor extent.
Playing fast games on the DELL U2412M is also possible. What is noteworthy is the fact that, despite fast response times, on a subjective level, the overdrive is barely noticeable in a negative way, something you cannot claim when it comes to the fastest TN panels, which get out a few milliseconds more here."
http://www.prad.de/en/monitore/review/2011/review-dell-u2412m-part13.html#Latency
TFTCentral reported:
" I have provided a comparison of the U2412M against some other models in Dell's monitor range. The U2412M performs quite comparably to the rest of the range overall. It shows some slight improvement compared with the U2410 in terms of motion blur but does introduce a small dark overshoot artefact unfortunately as a result. It's a tough call as to which is preferred for gaming to be honest but personally I think the U2412M has the edge slightly in practice with a smoother gaming experience.
The U2412M performs similarly to the U2311H as well although the dark overshoot of the overdrive impulse is perhaps a little more prevalent than the slightly pale overshoot seen on the 23" U2311H. The U2211H and U3011 are a tad slower with a bit more motion blur, but no obvious overshoot. The U2711 shows a more aggressive and obvious overshoot of the RTC impulse and the dark trail behind the moving object is more pronounced which is unfortunate."
There are also a number of gamers in this thread that have enjoyed, and highly recommend their U2412Ms, including myself.
So sorry, but I, and many others, including those posts above, disagree with your assertion that the U2412M is bad for gaming. I don't know why you insist on saying this, but it's just as good as the U2311H, U2312HM, and pretty much any 60hz IPS panel around. So if it's bad for gaming, so are they.
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dark_reign
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You're wrong. Not one review has specifically said this. Only the anal-retentive types may have a problem with the reverse ghosting, which is something I have not seen.
dark_reign
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You're the only one then. Who are these other 'gamers' you speak of?
Damn. If anyone has one of those email coupons to spare, I'd really appreciate it. At a price like that I think I could finally spring to get one of these monitors.
X's 1,000
Still waiting on my black friday purchase of two of the U2412M. They claim it will arrive on 12/9/11, but I'm extremely dubious of this (it was already pushed back once). I was however able to get them to take an additional 10% off of the 300/ea (though I've yet to see my acct credited), by using the live chat and one of the codes on the slickdeals forum (possibly one that was already used--when generating a new test quote on the dell store the code didn't work).
I hope these things arrive before I leave town for the holidays.
Looking forward to new monitors, upgrading from two 22" Acers I purchased when they were on sale for cheap cheap cheap; they're really rather terrible, I had two 1905FPs before that.
My compliments to this thread, there is more info here than I've found on any of my previous monitors, though it seems to have the occasional troll.
Cheers.
I hope these things arrive before I leave town for the holidays.
Looking forward to new monitors, upgrading from two 22" Acers I purchased when they were on sale for cheap cheap cheap; they're really rather terrible, I had two 1905FPs before that.
My compliments to this thread, there is more info here than I've found on any of my previous monitors, though it seems to have the occasional troll.
Cheers.
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Or in the case of Oled, a permanent troll. But yes it is a sweet thread. If I can get one of those 10% coupons I'm all over this thing.
wabbitseason
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The fact that a loser like you is even attempting to argue with 10e is as hilarious as it is pathetic. Come out with it, Oled. You want to rag on this monitor because it's 16:10.
Don't pay any attention to Oled, he has never even seen one first hand and he's constantly trolling here. Don't even get him started on 16:10...
Personally, I'm pleased as punch with both of mine. They don't seem any less responsive than the old Samsung TN that I've got sitting next to them. Tempted to get a third so they all match but I'm trying to avoid any more self-gifting this year.
Hell, if it had been 16:9, I wouldn't have bothered with this monitor. This is one of the few led-lcd 16:10 monitors in existence. Coder by trade, I need as many vertical pixels as possible, but I do enjoy a nice game of SC or Portal 2 at the end of the day, and 16:10 has never bothered me for gaming at all, most of us started gaming on 4:3 after all.
I got not only an email; but also a phone call today from Dell. I had to specifically "OK" that my order was delayed AGAIN to 12/13 (yeah right?) otherwise the FCC would force them to cancel my order (they told me the FCC part two times).
I of course, OK'ed this because I'm addicted to buying electronics.
I of course, OK'ed this because I'm addicted to buying electronics.
Ordered mine an hour ago for $269.10 +tax
I Ask in the chat area (Dell.com) for a discount, I told them I didn't get a "discount code" in my email, I had to re-submit my info for a Dell account since it hadn't shown up. They said they'd call me after they ask the sales manager. 1 hour later they called and offered me the monitor for the above tax, of course I said, ahh yeah
FWIW, I ask if they where back ordered, the girl checked and said no just "heavy ordered", I should get mine by the 14th. fingers crossed.
I Ask in the chat area (Dell.com) for a discount, I told them I didn't get a "discount code" in my email, I had to re-submit my info for a Dell account since it hadn't shown up. They said they'd call me after they ask the sales manager. 1 hour later they called and offered me the monitor for the above tax, of course I said, ahh yeah
FWIW, I ask if they where back ordered, the girl checked and said no just "heavy ordered", I should get mine by the 14th. fingers crossed.
hakkafusion
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I ordered mine on black friday (25th) & received it on the 29th. Too bad I had to sent it back since I found a cheaper price, now anxiously awaiting my 3x u2412m, hopefully i have it before christmas lol =)