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You're not reading them wrong, he's trying to defend nVidia and illegal trade practices. He probably works for them.No it is NOT even close to the same principle. Frankly that is a completely silly argument... and silly is me being very kind.
The way you just described it join us or suffer... is actually the text book description of Extortion .
I don't know perhaps I'm just reading your posts wrong and they are all just sarcasm ? Wouldn't be the first time I read such things wrong. If I have add a /s
The alternative way of looking at it is that Nvidia doesn't want to share brands with "inferior" products (in their eyes). One could argue that AMD is leeching off the success that Nvidia has built for ROG, Gaming X, Aorus, etc.
As did hundreds of sci-fi books.Evil Corporations are already well on their way to ruling the world. It's just a matter of time.
All the best sci-fi movies have predicted it. ;P
You're not reading them wrong, he's trying to defend nVidia and illegal trade practices. He probably works for them.
Funny you mentioned that, it reminded me of past conversations with a friend, whom he used to swear that the image quality of Matrox was absolute and only ATI, on those days, was able to match them.
Chicken.Dr. Evil candidates?
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Decided to delete those as political stuff isnt allowed
The fucker probably cost a million bucks, too...Funny you mentioned that, it reminded me of past conversations with a friend, whom he used to swear that the image quality of Matrox was absolute and only ATI, on those days, was able to match them.
Personally, I just replaced a Quadro for a Radeon Pro at work and cant tell the difference, image quality wise, but I can say this, drivers wise, the system stability improved considerably.
I was having weird graphic driver crashes on a daily basis, which are gone now.
Oh, and it looks like a million bucks!
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BAAAAD idea. That's simply caving, and won't work unless (UNLESS) they have a new part that's gonna bitch-slap 1080Ti/whatever so hard it'll land in 1999 as a Diamond Speedstar. But that would also mean abandoning ROG to nVidia and letting them color it green.
Too bad Dell and HP don't sell individual parts. I may have to re-think building my next computer in favor of buying one from them.
Edit: Straight up, decided to see what a Dell Inspiron gaming machine would cost. Ryzen 1700X, 8GB RAM, 256GB SSD + 1TB HDD, RX580 8GB. Then put together a machine from Newegg as I would want it. I'm $65 higher than Dell, and that's before buying a Windows license. I could shave about $150 off the price of my Newegg build by going with lesser parts, but that still makes the Dell a strong contender.
I never thought I'd see the day I couldn't compete on price with a pre-built higher end machine!
Geforce belongs to Nvidia. Radeon belongs to AMD. ROG belongs to ASUS.
Nvidia says give me ROG or you get to be a bottom feeder on our chips/tech.
That's how I am seeing this and I don't think I am wrong.
Nvidia is using its market share to coerce or force the AIB's to do as Nvidia wants or they will get little to no support, including less chips to make cards.
Using a position of strength like this is pushing into a monopoly.
You're not reading them wrong, he's trying to defend nVidia and illegal trade practices. He probably works for them.
So all the posts attacking me stay up, but the 1 post I made refuting them gets taken down. Classy.
I'm out, I'll be back after things have settled down.
Funny you mentioned that, it reminded me of past conversations with a friend, whom he used to swear that the image quality of Matrox was absolute and only ATI, on those days, was able to match them.
My Matrox Millenium G200 and G400 cards were beautiful things. I miss Matrox as a competitive card manufacturer
The alternative way of looking at it is that Nvidia doesn't want to share brands with "inferior" products (in their eyes). One could argue that AMD is leeching off the success that Nvidia has built for ROG, Gaming X, Aorus, etc.
still waiting for a counter move by AMD. (Pepsi to Colas, Nikes to Adidas, Apples to Microsofts)
i think we can make the conclusion that AMD just really don't care , by now.
if AMD itself does not care, then arguing for AMD"s sake is really akin to shouting to the wind.
ROG, Gaming X and the like have nothing to do with the success of NVIDIA. And why would they?
These "gaming" brands are a success not because they have "insert your favorite silicon-producer here" in them. No. In an AMD-dominated market ROG, Gaming X and Aouris would still be king (such scenario is, of course, a figure of speech).
This is simply wrong. NVIDIA GPU's are what put Gaming X on the map. The 1080 Ti launch is specifically what put AORUS on the map. ASUS ROG/STRIX has existed longer, but it was the strength of Nvidia's GPUs that made the ROG/STRIX GPU compelling.
This is simply wrong. The strength of NVIDIA's GPUs are what put Gaming X on the map for MSI. The 1080 Ti launch is very specifically what put AORUS on the map for Gigabyte after they jettisoned their previous shitty branding. ASUS ROG/STRIX has existed longer, but it was the strength of Nvidia's GPUs that made the ROG/STRIX GPU compelling.
The reality is simply that the NVIDIA GPU is what people are most desiring about an AIB board; the value-adds that the AIB creates around that GPU - better VRM's, layout, cooling, warranty, etc are window dressing and secondary.
Put another way: If the choice came down to a blinged out ROG STRIX RX580 vs a generic GTX 1080 Ti with a blower cooler, and with other things being same (warranty length) which one do you think will be more desirable?
So all the posts attacking me stay up, but the 1 post I made refuting them gets taken down. Classy.
I'm out, I'll be back after things have settled down.
No, wrong. NVIDIA had nothing to do with the success of the Gaming X line. Or did NVIDIA themselves promote that line? Did they give them exclusive access to their gpus? Did they honor extended warranties? Or... I don't know... Maybe the Gaming X products were better than the competition? Maybe people preferred those solutions over the EVGAs cooler? Or the Gigabyte? Or any the FE itself?
BUT, SOMEHOW, ROG EXISTS BECAUSE OF NVIDIA. Rog, a brand born in 2006, is where it is thanks to NVIDIA. Because, of course, their headsets, mice, keyboards, cases, routers, soundcards and others not only have NVIDIA technology in them, but also receive preferential treatment from NVIDIA.
Oh yeah, lets put the most stupid comparison ever. A RX580 against a 1080TI.
Now, go ask people how many current NVIDIA owners would give up their STRIX / GAMING X, etc to go to a FE edition. I know I'd ditch my 1080 STRIX in a heartbeat.
That's totally nonsensical. If NVIDIA really had nothing to do with the success of the Gaming X line, then MSI wouldn't have felt any need to (allegedly) opt in to GPP. These partnerships and co-branding arrangements are like a marriage, where they both elevate one another. NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX and MSI GAMING X appearing on the same box = they are interconnected, like mixing paint.
When NVIDIA launched the 780, or the 980, or the 1080, and MSI put out their Gaming X version of it -- what do you think it was about those GPU's that gamers were hitting F5 on Newegg all day to get a hold of? Was it MSI's red heatsink and dragon logo, or the NVIDIA GPU on board? Duh, the killer, sought after feature is the Nvidia GPU. The AIB partners have hitched their branding wagons to the consistent, benchmark topping performance of NVIDIA GPU's and ridden them to record profits, elevating their brands in the process.
Cool strawman, I'm sure anyone is saying "ROG EXISTS BECAUSE OF NVIDIA". The point was very specifically talking ROG/STRIX >GPU's<. But ultimately you'd need to ask ASUS what they felt is so utterly lacking about AMD's GPU's that they allegedly chose to devote their ROG/STRIX branding to NVIDIA's apparent loyalty program going forward.
You do realize you just made Nvidia's argument for GPP: a RX580 sharing any branding or having any overlap with a 1080Ti just cheapens the brand to NVIDIA's eyes, like slapping a Lexus logo on a Corolla. Regardless, Vega GPU's have been phantoms since inception and nonexistent on store shelves, which would make discussing them in a branding context academic.
I'm sure this has some relevance to something.
That's totally nonsensical. If NVIDIA really had nothing to do with the success of the Gaming X line, then MSI wouldn't have felt any need to (allegedly) opt in to GPP.
Nah man, it's because AMD sux and Nvidia rules! Oh wait, I meant to say "I am going to ignore comparisons and state that AMD is second tier, then move the goal post by saying just performance doesn't matter while ignoring that AMD is competitive with every Nviidia product except the 1080ti."Unless perhaps they were maybe.... I dunno.. coerced because the fucking terms of the GPP would neuter them if they didn't sign it?
Maybe?
Perhaps?
That's totally nonsensical. If NVIDIA really had nothing to do with the success of the Gaming X line, then MSI wouldn't have felt any need to (allegedly) opt in to GPP. These partnerships and co-branding arrangements are like a marriage, where they both elevate one another. NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX and MSI GAMING X appearing on the same box = they are interconnected, like mixing paint.
When NVIDIA launched the 780, or the 980, or the 1080, and MSI put out their Gaming X version of it -- what do you think it was about those GPU's that gamers were hitting F5 on Newegg all day to get a hold of? Was it MSI's red heatsink and dragon logo, or the NVIDIA GPU on board? Duh, the killer, sought after feature is the Nvidia GPU. The AIB partners have hitched their branding wagons to the consistent, benchmark topping performance of NVIDIA GPU's and ridden them to record profits, elevating their brands in the process.
Cool strawman, I'm sure anyone is saying "ROG EXISTS BECAUSE OF NVIDIA". The point was very specifically talking ROG/STRIX >GPU's<. But ultimately you'd need to ask ASUS what they felt is so utterly lacking about AMD's GPU's that they allegedly chose to devote their ROG/STRIX branding to NVIDIA's apparent loyalty program going forward.
You do realize you just made Nvidia's argument for GPP: a RX580 sharing any branding or having any overlap with a 1080Ti just cheapens the brand to NVIDIA's eyes, like slapping a Lexus logo on a Corolla. Regardless, Vega GPU's have been phantoms since inception and nonexistent on store shelves, which would make discussing them in a branding context academic.
So... when people chose the MSI GTX1080 Gaming X over the Asus GTX1080 STRIX they did it over the NVIDIA part, amiright?
I don't know, but if NVIDIA is so fucking awesome why didn't every body get a fucking FE and be done with it?
Oh right... because it sucks ass compared to the non-reference versions. Isn't that interesting?
And no, this isn't a partnership nor an opt-in. If you are MSI you are forced to get into it or pretty much go bankrupt. There is no choice whatsoever in the decision. Not being in GPP means that you are tier 2, and being tier 2 means that every single tier 1 has a competitive advantatge. So it is an all or nothing situation: unless every single AIB agree not to opt in, they will all do it. There is no choice here. And no benefits. On the contrary, it isn't not opting in that will for sure ruin you.
I'm done. There is no reason to keep beating the dead horse. You don't want to reason. Fine.
Personally, I also prefer reference cooler designs, but then again as Prava stated, I also pop a cooling block on every video card I get. If I can't source a cooler for a card (like this custom Gigabyte RX480 I got for cheap), then I rig it (in this case with 2 Koolance VRM coolers and a GPU-200 block I had sitting around).
The picture is not the final result (the tall hoses were shortened A LOT with some angle fittings I found tucked away, for example) but it will give you an idea. I had to use my Dremel to fabricate a custom heat plate to attach to one of the Koolance VRM coolers, and you can see it under the block on the far right with the thermal paste oozing out from where it mates the VRM block. Thermal pads sit between the VRM blocks and the VRM components. I also put RAM sinks on the RAM. It IS liquid cooled, but I didn't save any money over a full coverage block (if one existed for this card) this way....View attachment 68448
Different priorities I suppose.
The reference blower is just a cleaner and more efficient (removing heat from chassis) design in my opinion.
I still run two GTX680s in SLI (reference designs from EVGA), and they are neither loud nor dumping heat into my case so I am happy.
For reference, I ran two HD6950s (reference from Sapphire) and two HD2900PROs (reference from Sapphire) before that.
Somewhere in the middle was an absolutely terrible ASUS ROG 570 with their shitty custom fans -- looked terrible, excessively heavy, and the fan control was beyond cumbersome (I'm sure the software is of higher quality by now though).
Dude, did you make this? If so, please sign it.