Dell and HP Resist the NVIDIA GPP Leash - So Far

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    It's a donkey punch followed by a dirty Sanchez...
     
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    The last one I bought (the lappy was a gift), blew out three monitors before I traded it for an ATi.
     
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    I don't think this'll last too long, I still believe AMD has a card up their sleeve, & nVidia has caught wind of it and is trying to squash it.
     
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    Isn't it so that the AMD cards mine better? Hmm....
     
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    You're the one who missed his point: he specc'd a good system with HP and was UNABLE to beat it at Newegg. And he used AMD parts. His system is close enough in power to eliminate that few percentage points of e-dick in owning an nVidia card, not to mention price.
     
  7. No, wrong. This will never benefit AMD. Ever.

    And the only thing they can't fight against is the 1080TI. All the rest of the cards have a match in AMD's lineup (performance wise).


    Here it is the same too. Its one or the other. Never seen both at the same venue.
     
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    ID10T error
     
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    Make sure you mine it on your AMD card.
     
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    TaintedSquirrel [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Unless I'm reading the article wrong, the information about arez came from VCZ, not HardOCP.

    I do, however, take issue with people who state unsubstantiated rumors as facts. Especially rumors that come from other websites entirely. If you're going to pretend that a rumor is actual news, then at least let it be your own rumor. Otherwise you need to point out that you can't verify the information.
     
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  11. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    I have AREZ information from my contacts. It is 100% true. It will be announced officially this week.
     
  12. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    Not the first time, not the last. But for the record, how many times have I been proven a liar?
     
  13. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    No AMD GPUs will be marketed under the ROG brand. Those will all be marketed under the AREZ brand. Now how that brand will be identified is yet to be seen.
     
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    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    That is not true.
     
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  15. Big_Rig_Stig

    Big_Rig_Stig Gawd

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    And what about what nvidia is doing isnt collusion?
     
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    Big_Rig_Stig Gawd

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    Pitchforks and flamethrowers.
     
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    And your blathering aren't noteworthy, either.

    But, I won't block or mute you. I'd rather make fun of you.
     
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    Big_Rig_Stig Gawd

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    You realize that Alienware is owned by Dell, right? The laptop you saw was probably the R13, which is pretty bloody nice.
     
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    Big_Rig_Stig Gawd

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    Yer late.

    Didja see your shadow when you came out of your snow cave?:p ❤️
     
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    Existing ASUS video cards that don't fall under the ROG umbrella: Turbo, Dual, Expedition, Cerberus, Phoenix.

    Adding Arez to that list doesn't mean much. The fate of ROG Radeon products is all that matters, whether or not that has anything to do with Arez remains to be seen. Ignoring the fact that Arez itself remains to be seen. ;)
     
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  22. TaintedSquirrel

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    Well first off, they are suggesting the entire ASUS brand itself is being replaced with AREZ on the AMD side. Their table shows "ROG" being replaced with "AREZ", and they also show non-ROG cards getting the "AREZ" label appended to them. AREZ isn't just replacing ROG, it's replacing the entire company.

    We won't know for sure until ASUS announces they are retiring AMD ROG products, or when the products simply disappear eventually.
     
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    I refer you to this: https://hardforum.com/attachments/q8ppacyag3n01-jpg.66964/
     
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    BAAAAD idea. That's simply caving, and won't work unless (UNLESS) they have a new part that's gonna bitch-slap 1080Ti/whatever so hard it'll land in 1999 as a Diamond Speedstar. But that would also mean abandoning ROG to nVidia and letting them color it green.
     
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    Nvidia would tell you it's not about them claiming ownership of the brand, but making sure they don't share the brand with AMD.
    Corvette is a popular sports car from Chevy, how would they feel if Ford released their own sports car called "Corvette"? Same principle. Nvidia is using their market dominance to say they have the rights to those brands, and the AIBs are agreeing.

    I'm not defending the move, by the way. The brands have been established for years now, it's just Nvidia's way of sending AMD to the back of the bus.
     
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  26. ChadD

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    How would a company feel if they used a trademarked name ??? That isn't even close to the same thing.

    Asus buys parts from Nvida that is their relationship. Nvidia is a supplier... Asus is Nvidias customer. Not their competition.

    Ford using a trademarked name ... or MS releasing iWindows devices. Is not even remotely the same thing.

    Nvidia doesn't own a brand trademarked by another company, simply because they sell them a part... Royals Royce doesn't demand brand names from Boeing even if their engines are the most important part of the plane. They can't demand ownership of their customers trademarks on threat of slowing or cutting off supply, because they have a dominant position. (Frankly if a court decides they are in fact in a dominante position they will look at their current actions even less favorably)

    With your logic Intel should go back to demanding HP Dell and every other OEM no longer sell AMD in anything higher end. I mean that wasn't ruled illegal already or anything. Or perhaps MS should use their market dominance to demand OEMs only ship high end PCs with windows on them... I mean that couldn't possibly land them in court right ?
     
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    I didn't say it was the same thing, I said it was the same principle.

    Nvidia is claiming the rights to those brands, and giving the AIBs a choice: Either give them exclusivity, or don't join GPP and suffer the consequences. They are suggesting that if AMD shares the same brands then it degrades Nvidia's name. If the AIBs disagree, they simply don't join GPP. And we already know that's not an option. Nvidia is the Corvette, the AIBs know it, and Nvidia is forcing their hand.
     
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    No it is NOT even close to the same principle. Frankly that is a completely silly argument... and silly is me being very kind.

    The way you just described it join us or suffer... is actually the text book description of Extortion .

    I don't know perhaps I'm just reading your posts wrong and they are all just sarcasm ? Wouldn't be the first time I read such things wrong. If I have add a /s
     
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    I currently have Intel and Nvidia in my gaming system... which frankly isn't much of a gaming system since I can't play anything newer than say 2014 without dropping all settings. But with the BS both companies have done, I'm definitely not buying anything with their parts inside from now on.
     
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    First, I'm a straight up NV fanboy. I have nothing against AMD, but I've used NV products since riva tnt days.

    What NVidia is doing with the GPP is unconscionable. If they don't pull a 180 on this program my next GPU will be AMD.
     
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    You not understanding the entire situation is showing.
     
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    Please give me documentation for this. Thanks.
     
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    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    What would you like documentation of exactly?
     
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    I don't care what he releases, I was citing his own words in his own article. If he wants to refute himself, he can do that and I will edit my post. :p
     
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    I will get right on getting a bunch of people fired.
     
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    Thanks for your input. I am sure it has been of great value to many.
     
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    You do know the first RoG product was an AMD based one right? I see why Dell and HP won't join. Last time they let a company do this they had to deal with all sorts of court battles and it weakened their positions. Dell on top of that paid an arm and a leg of actual cash on Alienware back in the day. They aren't just going to let a company dictate how they use it. But that's the point RoG is much bigger than video cards. It's a whole product line of things from monitors, to motherboards, to routers (got an RoG router a month before this began). These didn't build up on Nvidia products. Hell most except the Gaming X started on motherboards to begin with and it's only been 2 gens since AMD took a dive in "ulta-high end gaming" because regardless of peoples opinion's the 480/580 have been more than good enough from 1080-4k, just not all the time on everything on Ultra. Not enough for AMD to some how spoil Nvidia's name on product lines that aren't theirs. Both have made products, that they sold to these companies, that these companies have used in the past to legitimize their brands. Nvidia has had it's share of stinkers without anyone crying foul about how Nvidia's chips in RoG products devalued AMD's own products in the brand.
     
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    Funny you mentioned that, it reminded me of past conversations with a friend, whom he used to swear that the image quality of Matrox was absolute and only ATI, on those days, was able to match them.

    Personally, I just replaced a Quadro for a Radeon Pro at work and cant tell the difference, image quality wise, but I can say this, drivers wise, the system stability improved considerably.

    I was having weird graphic driver crashes on a daily basis, which are gone now.

    Oh, and it looks like a million bucks!

    Uan4VDm.jpg
     
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    Geforce belongs to Nvidia. Radeon belongs to AMD. ROG belongs to ASUS.
    Nvidia says give me ROG or you get to be a bottom feeder on our chips/tech.
    That's how I am seeing this and I don't think I am wrong.
    Nvidia is using its market share to coerce or force the AIB's to do as Nvidia wants or they will get little to no support, including less chips to make cards.
    Using a position of strength like this is pushing into a monopoly.
     
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