• Some users have recently had their accounts hijacked. It seems that the now defunct EVGA forums might have compromised your password there and seems many are using the same PW here. We would suggest you UPDATE YOUR PASSWORD and TURN ON 2FA for your account here to further secure it. None of the compromised accounts had 2FA turned on.
    Once you have enabled 2FA, your account will be updated soon to show a badge, letting other members know that you use 2FA to protect your account. This should be beneficial for everyone that uses FSFT.

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thanks for the info, 2FA enabled. I did have an account at EVGA ages ago, have not logged in .......well 10+ years, I forgot about it thankfully I have not been hacked and I had a totally different password than here. likely those who most active might have been, I don't recall being there much at all.

I assume if you log out and back in you need to put in any of the 3 code you generated thus you might want to copy and paste this info onto a notepad and save it
 
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I believe heatware allows making posts as well as sending dms for a while now.

So theoretically you could log into your own heatware and send them a message and ask the user on hardforum to reply back to it.

Can confirm with stinger608 he is 1 of the heatware mods. If anyone needs any help on reddit hardwareswap I'm 1 of the mods there. I know there is a decent amount of overlap and I frequently see things posted here and hardwareswap simultaneously for more exposure.
 
Zoop99 said:
I believe heatware allows making posts as well as sending dms for a while now.

So theoretically you could log into your own heatware and send them a message and ask the user on hardforum to reply back to it.

Can confirm with stinger608 he is 1 of the heatware mods. If anyone needs any help on reddit hardwareswap I'm 1 of the mods there. I know there is a decent amount of overlap and I frequently see things posted here and hardwareswap simultaneously for more exposure.
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I have no way of verifying heat.
 
This reminds me to do some account scrubbing and password rotation.

I have learned it's insanely difficult to get rid of an old email account.
 
Zoop99 said:
I believe heatware allows making posts as well as sending dms for a while now.

So theoretically you could log into your own heatware and send them a message and ask the user on hardforum to reply back to it.

Can confirm with stinger608 he is 1 of the heatware mods. If anyone needs any help on reddit hardwareswap I'm 1 of the mods there. I know there is a decent amount of overlap and I frequently see things posted here and hardwareswap simultaneously for more exposure.
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I believe the heatware forums have been removed.
 
ep0x73 said:
thanks for the info, 2FA enabled. I did have an account at EVGA ages ago, have not logged in .......well 10+ years, I forgot about it thankfully I have not been hacked and I had a totally different password than here. likely those who most active might have been, I don't recall being there much at all.

I assume if you log out and back in you need to put in any of the 3 code you generated thus you might want to copy and paste this info onto a notepad and save it
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I checked my evga password and it looks like someone hit their head on the keyboard a few times. :)
THANKS OP for the heads up.
 
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services.
My opinion though.
 
FedericoUY said:
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services.
My opinion though.
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My opinion is that the seller and buyer are in command of their transactions.

Buyer beware.
 
FedericoUY said:
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services.
My opinion though.
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Simply just state you wont use friends or family, I always tell a seller up front that I wont use it, never had a issue so far.
 
FedericoUY said:
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services.
My opinion though.
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FS/FT has always been trade at your own risk .
We do everything in our power to keep it safe , but we don't get involved in the details of the trades.
 
FrgMstr said:
My opinion is that the seller and buyer are in command of their transactions.

Buyer beware.
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Crosshairs said:
FS/FT has always been trade at your own risk .
We do everything in our power to keep it safe , but we don't get involved in the details of the trades.
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I understand that a forums FS/FT is at users risk. I've never had a problem purchasing here or in any forum, but I've always been careful. There are methods to get to know how a user is as a seller or buyer (if no account hacked).
I also understand that users may want to avoid paypal charges.
And I also understand that it is allowed here (I do not agree though, and will never pay this way).
But that doesn't mean that asking for money as "friends and family" is wrong and/or inappropriate for selling goods.
If you get nothing from a supposed seller (a thief that has hacked evga forums or whatever), you can at least open a dispute on paypal and maybe get your ROBBED money back.
Well, asking for paypal F&F is a way to make a purchase completely unsecure for the user who purchases, because you "gave" money to other person that it is not your friend or family ...

Let me be clear: I’m always referring to the user who comes with the intention of harming other users.

Paypal FRIENDS and FAMILY as the phrase clearly states, IS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, and not for trading or purchasing items.
There shouldn't be two readings about that.
 
FedericoUY said:
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services.
My opinion though.
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I agree 100% with this!
 
FedericoUY said:
HardForum should not allow posts in for sale/trade with people requesting payments via PP friends & family.
Lots of scammers wants to use this method, besides it does not correspond. The correct way using paypal is to pay with goods & services
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most times Paypal will side with the buyer if using PP F&F...they will say that it's only supposed to be used for people you know and not for transactions with strangers...there is no protection for the seller, that's just an urban myth
 
It's simple just insist on goods and services transaction, if they wont do it, than buy from someone else that will. Never had much of any issue with a seller on here when I insisted on using it.
 
If dealing with a reputable member with good heat and recent activity then I don’t see an issue. Never had an issue using F&F here. If it looks sketchy then I don’t sell or buy to/from them.
 
If someone won't have a civil message convo then bail for sure. I'll do FnF when its repeat members or after chatting a bit if that helps the sale. So far so good but I also would not care of a buyer wanted goods and services on something I'm selling either.
 
FedericoUY said:
I understand that a forums FS/FT is at users risk. I've never had a problem purchasing here or in any forum, but I've always been careful. There are methods to get to know how a user is as a seller or buyer (if no account hacked).
I also understand that users may want to avoid paypal charges.
And I also understand that it is allowed here (I do not agree though, and will never pay this way).
But that doesn't mean that asking for money as "friends and family" is wrong and/or inappropriate for selling goods.
If you get nothing from a supposed seller (a thief that has hacked evga forums or whatever), you can at least open a dispute on paypal and maybe get your ROBBED money back.
Well, asking for paypal F&F is a way to make a purchase completely unsecure for the user who purchases, because you "gave" money to other person that it is not your friend or family ...

Let me be clear: I’m always referring to the user who comes with the intention of harming other users.

Paypal FRIENDS and FAMILY as the phrase clearly states, IS FOR FRIENDS AND FAMILY, and not for trading or purchasing items.
There shouldn't be two readings about that.
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Paypal can enforce their terms. No one else needs to take the time or is authorized to do so. Fuck PP.
 
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If dealing with a reputable member with good heat and recent activity then I don’t see an issue. Never had an issue using F&F here. If it looks sketchy then I don’t sell or buy to/from them.
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Exactly. Hasn’t failed me yet in hundreds of transactions here over the years. There’s always a risk inherently.
 
Yea. I normally sell everything as F&F. But then again I am a longtime member who is consistently active, high heat, and have 2FA on. As long as the checklist looks good, I have no problems with F&F from others if it doesn't look sketch. Considering the over $500 reporting to the IRS that paypal has with goods and services, makes me even more inclined to use F&F...Don't need any additional headaches on my taxes.
 
Niner said:
If dealing with a reputable member with good heat and recent activity then I don’t see an issue. Never had an issue using F&F here. If it looks sketchy then I don’t sell or buy to/from them.
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If it's a relatively low-dollar sale, sure. Anything getting into the hundreds of dollars range, I'm not doing F&F.
 
MavericK said:
If it's a relatively low-dollar sale, sure. Anything getting into the hundreds of dollars range, I'm not doing F&F.
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I can see people being hesitant on higher dollar hardware, but again I don't have an issue depending on the member. I don't trade frequently, but when I do I haven't had an issue. Just have to be smart and comfortable about who you're dealing with is all. I even made a few friends out of it as well.
 
I'm not a frequent trader on here, but ive used F&F on both the buying and selling front before, even with higher dollar items. With the higher dollar items, I like to have a phone conversation with the person. We PM, exhsnge umbers, the the shoot the shit about hardware for a bit, and then we proceed with the F&F transaction.

Never had an issue, but i understand the hesitation at the same time from others.

Ultimately, I don't see the issue; if you dont want to f&f, that's cool, then either pass or be willing to pay the difference to make up for the fees, or work it out with the seller.

Ive recently-ish begun selling on ebay (surplus vintage video game stuff) and that +10% fees really hurts! I'm glad to have a free trade place like this forum that allows the buyer and seller to work it out.
 
GoldenTiger said:
Tax evasion is how they got Capone... ;).
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Big Al was a big time criminal. I am basically selling stuff online like an e-garage sale. Mostly stuff I bought years ago, already paid taxes when I bought it. Not like I'm selling things for MORE than what I paid years ago. But doesn't matter any more, if you sell online they will report it as income. Stupid.
 
Burticus said:
Big Al was a big time criminal. I am basically selling stuff online like an e-garage sale. Mostly stuff I bought years ago, already paid taxes when I bought it. Not like I'm selling things for MORE than what I paid years ago. But doesn't matter any more, if you sell online they will report it as income. Stupid.
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I was being sarcastic, hence the wink. If you're selling for less than you paid, it doesn't count as income under the new rules, but has to be itemized. It's an undue burden to have to do so for small time sellers, though, I agree.
 
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and the income tax reporting
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I didn't realize PayPal lowered the reporting threshold so much...starting in 2026 anything over $600 is reported to the IRS...

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polonyc2 said:
I didn't realize PayPal lowered the reporting threshold so much...starting in 2026 anything over $600 is reported to the IRS...

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yup and it's not just Paypal. Ebay keeps track of sales, and I think Venmo etc are all doing it. Paypal F&F remains exempt.... for now. But not everyone is comfortable using that to buy stuff online, and I do get it for high dollar stuff.
 
If high value item and seller would like FnF I usually would ask for a video timestamp so at least I know they have the item in hand. Ofcourse still have to go through all your checklist as well.
 
GT98 said:
Thankfully that has been raised back up to the 20K limit it was a few years ago.

https://www.littler.com/news-analysis/asap/tax-bill-changes-1099-reporting-thresholds
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Interesting. Too bad for years it was lower and us sellers got shit on by the IRS and for being over the silly $5000 limit.

But to the topic at hand....I am one of those sellers who on here, and other boards, preferred FF as opposed to GS not for the fact of the fee, but for reporting. Hell if this in fact is true about being raised back to $20k then I'll happily start taking GS and build the fee into my price.
 
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Is there a way the powers that be could give us an option for how long our 2FA is stored? Having to enter the code (on every device I have) ever month sucks. How about 90 days as an option for those of us willing to live dangerously?
 
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