Vaulter98c
[H]ard|DCer of the Month - October 2009
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that much hardware fo a passive cooled system? Id expect more, but then again my octo socket board was passive...
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I have to admit that those Magny Cours chips are pretty darn good looking. It is like staring at the Dolly Parton of the microprocessor world, and I like what I see. That is actually something to think about for me, as AMD has announced that the socket C32/G34 platforms will be compatible with some form of Bulldozer if it ever comes out. Of course, a lot of that depends on whether the mobo manufacturers are going to do the decent thing and update the bios. I heard this is an area where Asus is terrible as they stop supporting their server boards after a short while.
It looks like Tyan is the only company that makes an EATX dual G34 board, so that would be my option if I go this route. The Asus is a SSI EEB or whatever it is, and thus i'm not even sure there are any cases for it. It appears to have the same dimensions as EATX, but the holes don't line up.
I wonder if I could swing a pair of 8 core Magny Cours at some near point in the future and then have a pathway to going full blown Bulldozer if it ever comes out before AMD goes broke.
That greatly depends on the architecture. I'm only seeing 2000 PPD better output than the P2684 running older Xeons, and that's with a higher OC. I know that Nehalem systems are doing much better, so the new -bigadv WUs seem to be optimized for that architecture. I can't speak for AMD because the only system I still run with Opterons doesn't have enough cores for -bigadv.If you want to try secondhand, older opty's can still pump out some serious PPD try here for some idea of PPD but bear in mind these are on older projects but people do say that 2685 runs closer to 2681-83 in terms of PPD.
I have to admit that those Magny Cours chips are pretty darn good looking. It is like staring at the Dolly Parton of the microprocessor world, and I like what I see. That is actually something to think about for me, as AMD has announced that the socket C32/G34 platforms will be compatible with some form of Bulldozer if it ever comes out. Of course, a lot of that depends on whether the mobo manufacturers are going to do the decent thing and update the bios. I heard this is an area where Asus is terrible as they stop supporting their server boards after a short while.
It looks like Tyan is the only company that makes an EATX dual G34 board, so that would be my option if I go this route. The Asus is a SSI EEB or whatever it is, and thus i'm not even sure there are any cases for it. It appears to have the same dimensions as EATX, but the holes don't line up.
I wonder if I could swing a pair of 8 core Magny Cours at some near point in the future and then have a pathway to going full blown Bulldozer if it ever comes out before AMD goes broke.
Yeah, I can't wait until you can see whether you will be able to overclock those chips. I have to admit that 1.9ghz is a bit disappointing, even if you are running 24 physical cores. The fastest Magny Cours 12 core AMD seems to offer is a 2.3ghz that costs way too much. Let me know what kind of case you ultimately put it into, although I would probably opt for the EATX Tyan dual G34 board if I decide to wait till the end of this year to build another rig versus jumping the gun and building a Thuban or Bloomfield right now.
However here is room for thought as I could technically use my same budget and go buy two eVGA GTX 480 superclocked(sorta oc'd) and stick it into my current rig for instant 30k ppd gain. The power draw however would be utterly insane.
either do i.. but luckily dreaming of stuff you will never buy is free..
Yeah, I can't wait until you can see whether you will be able to overclock those chips. I have to admit that 1.9ghz is a bit disappointing, even if you are running 24 physical cores. The fastest Magny Cours 12 core AMD seems to offer is a 2.3ghz that costs way too much. Let me know what kind of case you ultimately put it into, although I would probably opt for the EATX Tyan dual G34 board if I decide to wait till the end of this year to build another rig versus jumping the gun and building a Thuban or Bloomfield right now.
However here is room for thought as I could technically use my same budget and go buy two eVGA GTX 480 superclocked(sorta oc'd) and stick it into my current rig for instant 30k ppd gain. The power draw however would be utterly insane.
Yeah, I can't wait until you can see whether you will be able to overclock those chips. I have to admit that 1.9ghz is a bit disappointing, even if you are running 24 physical cores. The fastest Magny Cours 12 core AMD seems to offer is a 2.3ghz that costs way too much. Let me know what kind of case you ultimately put it into, although I would probably opt for the EATX Tyan dual G34 board if I decide to wait till the end of this year to build another rig versus jumping the gun and building a Thuban or Bloomfield right now.
However here is room for thought as I could technically use my same budget and go buy two eVGA GTX 480 superclocked(sorta oc'd) and stick it into my current rig for instant 30k ppd gain. The power draw however would be utterly insane.
I tried it out briefly last night, as it was late, but I didn't really try and figure out the best way to use K10Stat, but it didn't seem to do anything.
Hopefully later tonight I can take a better look at it and see what I can get in terms of response to OC attempts.
I didn't realize that EACH chip can utilize quad channel RAM for a total of 8 channels with two CPUs.
Good thing I was able to dig up another few DDR3 2GB modules. She has 16GB in 'er right now.
Right now I'm stress testing the CPUs by running a 2685 unit, and getting around 55K PPD, but one module in each "set" is at 1066mhz so I have to fix it first.
Or you could be rational and stick a pair of GTX 460's in your rig - 20k PPD and a lot less power, heat and noise
I think i'll just stay away from GPU folding for now. I always flirt with that idea, but I always shy away from it at the end.
nah that PPD sounds right.. because the 2.3ghz 12 core magny's did 65.5k PPD which was about 500-700 PPD more then the xeon 5650's but i believe that review was done with the a2 big adv so 55k on the 2685's sounds right for the 1.9ghz chips..
but 55k PPD with the power usage those chips are using is damn good.. might actually give the PPD/w top 5 a run for its money.. should be doing something like 115-120w full load.. the 2.3ghz chips did 135w..
I tried it out briefly last night, as it was late, but I didn't really try and figure out the best way to use K10Stat, but it didn't seem to do anything.
Hopefully later tonight I can take a better look at it and see what I can get in terms of response to OC attempts.
I didn't realize that EACH chip can utilize quad channel RAM for a total of 8 channels with two CPUs.
Good thing I was able to dig up another few DDR3 2GB modules. She has 16GB in 'er right now.
Right now I'm stress testing the CPUs by running a 2685 unit, and getting around 55K PPD, but one module in each "set" is at 1066mhz so I have to fix it first.
Thanks for the info sirmonkey1985,
I just looked through the BIOS manual and (joy) it will allow me to manually clock the RAM at 533, 667, 800 and 933, so I'm going to try this tonight as soon as I get home after work. 6 of the DIMMs are at 667, but two were at 533 for some reason.
I'm fairly certain these chips are more RAM sensitive than I7s and Xeons even with the voluminous cache, so hopefully that will shore up the times a bit more by going from 1333mhz RAM to 1600mhz. There are 12 cores packed into a chip with quad channel memory access, but that's twice as many real cores as an i7 980x or Xeon x5650+ chip. I realize they have HT (and only triple channel), but real cores are a different load methinks. Unfortunately that's pretty much the only OC'ing I will probably be able to do. K10Stat doesn't do anything and AMD Overdrive just crashes.
I am gonna grabbing a kill-a-watt to see what she's pulling from the wall with the onboard ASpeed crappy video as well as adding a GTX 470 to it. I'm pretty sure the 850W power supply should be more than sufficient. I'm also going to re-format once this BigAdv unit is done and use Win2K8 x64 R2 vs. Win7. I just put Win7 on there because it was getting late last night and I wanted to see what she'd do ASAP.
Out of curiosity, is there any advantage to going with Windows 2008 rather than Windows 7? I didn't even think Windows 7 could support a 24 core system as I thought that they would limit it so that people would be forced into buying the more expensive server and enterprise versions of Windows.
Either way, can't wait to see what you do. You have my dream rig right there as i've been dreaming of dual 12 core Magnys ever since I got into folding. I really really hate Intel, and would really like to come back to AMD for my next folding rig.
You just want a 24 core system so you can try to get that mower out and give me a new haircut...
If someone is able to get K10STAT working 100% with one of these boards, then I will be picking up a pair of them this fall/winter as soon as my attorney wraps this settlement up..It has to be finished within the next four months so yay for me!
how many PPD do those guns produce?
If I have some $$ left over after getting a AR-15 I'd like to sell my GTX275 and pick up 2x GTX460's.
But if I do that I will need to pick up 2 more of these.....
http://www.amazon.com/ASUS-VW246H-2...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1279854959&sr=8-1
Nice to see someone else here that appreciates good firearms. Guns can't fold, but I sure do love them. I've been debating on picking up a shotgun or a .357 magnum revolver to supplement my current 9mm for home protection, but I would hate to raid my entertainment budget as I really want to be able to afford a dual Magny Cour rig by the end of this year. Looking for something that has a lot more stopping power(one shot stop) than the Glock has as I live in a bad neighborhood. Especially if someone is hopped up on drugs, stopping power is critical as you may only have a chance to pull off one shot.
Out of curiosity, is there any advantage to going with Windows 2008 rather than Windows 7? I didn't even think Windows 7 could support a 24 core system as I thought that they would limit it so that people would be forced into buying the more expensive server and enterprise versions of Windows.
Either way, can't wait to see what you do. You have my dream rig right there as i've been dreaming of dual 12 core Magnys ever since I got into folding. I really really hate Intel, and would really like to come back to AMD for my next folding rig.
Maybe this is a dumb question, what kind of HSFs can be used on M-C setups?
um those pure copper ones you see in the picture.. lol..doubt any of the extreme coolers will fit it.. so your only other choice would be custom water blocks and water cooling..
holy shit.. no cpu pins.. FINALLLYYYYYYYY!!!!!!! took you long enough AMD WTF!!
nice setup BTW..