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I am a long time user here (joined in 2005) with over 1,700 posts but I created a new account to make this post. I am doing this because what I am about to reveal I want kept secret.
This is something I hate to disclose because I do not want pity, I am a paralyzed veteran, a quadriplegic confined to a wheelchair and paralyzed from the chest down. I have been stuck in this wheelchair for 30 years (I was injured when I was 24) and I live alone. After I go to bed I am helpless until I get back in my wheelchair. Turning my home into a smart home has been a miracle. From my bed I can control my computer, TV, heat, air conditioning, lights, telephone and even my door.
Some of us do not have a choice.
Most mobile devices now generate a random MAC for WiFi unless you specifically choose not to for a specific network.That option just stops your device from actually connecting to an unsecured wifi network automatically. It does not disable your wifi at all. If your wifi is on, yes it can be identified and found, turning it off and if it is actually off is easy enough to test, just fire up Kali Linux with a supported wifi card and do an airmon-ng scan and see if your wifi devices MAC shows up
No doubt. The millennials and younger generations are lazy fuck and willingly happy to give up their freedoms for a little bit of convenience.I suspect privacy is a low priority for the majority of Amazon spy device users. Most of them probably don't care and won't opt out.
Which you can easily view the MAC address from your phone anyways so wont matter if it changes or not. And since when do mobile phones do random mac's out of the box?Most mobile devices now generate a random MAC for WiFi unless you specifically choose not to for a specific network.
No doubt. The millennials and younger generations are lazy fuck and willingly happy to give up their freedoms for a little bit of convenience.
Doesn’t work that way with iPhones. The real Mac is not broadcasted out.Which you can easily view the MAC address from your phone anyways so wont matter if it changes or not. And since when do mobile phones do random mac's out of the box?
Hah, I know what you mean!
I just think it's funny that people genuinely believe Amazon and Google want a massive amount of garbage recordings in the off-chance they'll maybe, possibly, kinda catch you saying something they can use for ad targeting. It's like basing your income on lottery tickets... the chances of getting something useful just aren't worth the effort.
Is it, though? Voice assistants still struggle to understand you even when you're speaking directly to them — how the hell would they have the technology to pick up incidental conversations? And even then, you still wouldn't need to record everyone 24/7 to train the machine learning system. That and I fail to see how empty rooms and indecipherable murmurs from too-distant chats would really help the system.You have vastly underestimated the power of data and machine learning. Your "junk" data is actually great sample data to tune the models to learn about human conversation and behavior so that it can be trained to find things that are useful for what they want to know.
I’m sorry, you’re deluded if you think they’re not recording everything. They’ve literally been caught doing this over and over again.Is it, though? Voice assistants still struggle to understand you even when you're speaking directly to them — how the hell would they have the technology to pick up incidental conversations? And even then, you still wouldn't need to record everyone 24/7 to train the machine learning system. That and I fail to see how empty rooms and indecipherable murmurs from too-distant chats would really help the system.
This is what's frustrating about privacy issues! People cling to fantasies about things like always-on spying because they want them to be true, not because they have any evidence it's true. We don't get to talk about the meaningful privacy/security issues because folks are too busy convincing themselves that Amazon or Google wants to hear your discussion of whose turn it is to empty the dishwasher.
I did not know that, checking my iPhone 11 you are right, the one under About is different than showing in my DHCP leases for the phone... sneaky.Doesn’t work that way with iPhones. The real Mac is not broadcasted out.
Yup, they have. Seems people want to deny it cause their lives are not interesting enough "why would they want to listen to me 24/7", its not the point. IoT devices are a massive invasion of privacy and cause massive cyber security concerns.I’m sorry, you’re deluded if you think they’re not recording everything. They’ve literally been caught doing this over and over again.
Is it, though? Voice assistants still struggle to understand you even when you're speaking directly to them — how the hell would they have the technology to pick up incidental conversations? And even then, you still wouldn't need to record everyone 24/7 to train the machine learning system. That and I fail to see how empty rooms and indecipherable murmurs from too-distant chats would really help the system.
This is what's frustrating about privacy issues! People cling to fantasies about things like always-on spying because they want them to be true, not because they have any evidence it's true. We don't get to talk about the meaningful privacy/security issues because folks are too busy convincing themselves that Amazon or Google wants to hear your discussion of whose turn it is to empty the dishwasher.
I’m sorry, you’re deluded if you think they’re not recording everything. They’ve literally been caught doing this over and over again.
Please provide evidence, then. No excuses, no waffling. I want your next post to include hard data showing that at least one smart speaker platform is genuinely recording non-stop, on purpose.I’m sorry, you’re deluded if you think they’re not recording everything. They’ve literally been caught doing this over and over again.
The Misses used to work for Google, and they listened to literally everything, including phone calls. She couldn't work there anymore for ethical reasons. If you want to live in your deluded bubble, be my guest, but that's on you. And just humor me and look up "xkeyscore" if you're bored. Look up "14 eyes" while you're at it as well.Please provide evidence, then. No excuses, no waffling. I want your next post to include hard data showing that at least one smart speaker platform is genuinely recording non-stop, on purpose.
Something tells me you won't have any evidence, though. It'd be ridiculously easy to prove if it was actually happening: you'd see data traffic consistent with a continuous audio feed, ports in use that aren't necessary for a passive connection, that sort of thing. For that matter, police who've requested recordings from Echo speakers have so far been disappointed because — shock — Amazon isn't actually capturing everything that happened.
And where have they been caught recording everything? The only stories I've seen have involved quality review teams listening to unintended recordings (i.e the speaker mistook something for the wake word). That's not the same as continuous recording, and the reviews include a handful of anonymized info that would be useless for ad targeting.
Again, this is what frustrates me — there's no real evidence to support claims like these, but people stick to them because it's easier to rage against the fantasy than be moderately concerned by the reality. Yeah, it's important to know what Amazon and Google do with recordings, but let's stick to claims we can back up with data, shall we?
Please provide evidence, then. No excuses, no waffling. I want your next post to include hard data showing that at least one smart speaker platform is genuinely recording non-stop, on purpose.
Something tells me you won't have any evidence, though. It'd be ridiculously easy to prove if it was actually happening: you'd see data traffic consistent with a continuous audio feed, ports in use that aren't necessary for a passive connection, that sort of thing. For that matter, police who've requested recordings from Echo speakers have so far been disappointed because — shock — Amazon isn't actually capturing everything that happened.
And where have they been caught recording everything? The only stories I've seen have involved quality review teams listening to unintended recordings (i.e the speaker mistook something for the wake word). That's not the same as continuous recording, and the reviews include a handful of anonymized info that would be useless for ad targeting.
Again, this is what frustrates me — there's no real evidence to support claims like these, but people stick to them because it's easier to rage against the fantasy than be moderately concerned by the reality. Yeah, it's important to know what Amazon and Google do with recordings, but let's stick to claims we can back up with data, shall we?
I just assumed I haven't had privacy since 2004 or so.Yup, they have. Seems people want to deny it cause their lives are not interesting enough "why would they want to listen to me 24/7", its not the point. IoT devices are a massive invasion of privacy and cause massive cyber security concerns.
And your okay with that?!!
I just assumed I haven't had privacy since 2004 or so.
burn it all down.
Thought about buying a while ago and then I found that -Eufy
I'm glad I dumped Ring for Eufy. Not only I don't pay a fee to Ring but nobody is using my internet to torrent.
I need an open source doorbell.Thought about buying a while ago and then I found that -
http://community.anker.com/t/do-euf...-to-china-anyone-confirm-with-wireshark/71932
Not sure I would trust it.
I need an open source doorbell.
You mean, like a regular doorbell?
You forgot the sharks.but with lasers
Does it record footage of package thieves?You mean, like a regular doorbell?
That's only the evidence of staff listing to a handful of clips from those recorded, as I mentioned earlier. It does not represent evidence of non-stop recording, which is what I asked for. Not that I expect you to find any.
None of those are evidence Amazon and Google devices are recording around the clock. They just indicate 1. that Googlers listen to lots of things (not that they have 24/7 recording); 2. that the US government has wide-reaching access to the data that does exist; 3. that surveillance data is shared between a host of countries. I'm well aware of XKEYSCORE and the various levels of "eyes" intelligence sharing, but that's not what we're talking about.The Misses used to work for Google, and they listened to literally everything, including phone calls. She couldn't work there anymore for ethical reasons. If you want to live in your deluded bubble, be my guest, but that's on you. And just humor me and look up "xkeyscore" if you're bored. Look up "14 eyes" while you're at it as well.
this, its not just an assumption its the truth. Our privacy died over a decade ago, the war was lost and the last 15 years have just been consolidation.I just assumed I haven't had privacy since 2004 or so.
None of those are evidence Amazon and Google devices are recording around the clock. They just indicate 1. that Googlers listen to lots of things (not that they have 24/7 recording); 2. that the US government has wide-reaching access to the data that does exist; 3. that surveillance data is shared between a host of countries. I'm well aware of XKEYSCORE and the various levels of "eyes" intelligence sharing, but that's not what we're talking about.
Let me reiterate my request more explicitly, since reading comprehension is clearly a problem for you: present evidence that Alexa or Google Assistant is recording everything non-stop. You will not provide vague claims about listening to "everything" based on anecdotes you can't possibly support (not without getting your partner in trouble, at least); you will not divert to tangential subjects like government surveillance. You will provide tangible, specific evidence of what I asked. Understood?
You see the problem? You're arguing based on half-truths, on unsupported extrapolations rather than directly relevant evidence. Yes, Amazon, Google and the NSA are more intrusive than they should be, but that doesn't mean that the worst you can imagine is automatically true. There's so far no evidence to indicate that Amazon and Google are literally recording everything within earshot, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest their recording is actually quite limited (even though it does have problems).
That's only the evidence of staff listing to a handful of clips from those recorded, as I mentioned earlier. It does not represent evidence of non-stop recording, which is what I asked for. Not that I expect you to find any.
This reinforces my case — people don't understand how the technology works, and they find it easier to rail against their fantasy ("omg Amazon/Google is spying on everything, all the time") than the more nuanced truth.
I don't have any of their products, or any neighbors. So I'm doubly safe.I don't have any of their products so I won't be affected.
That is fine if you believe it or not. Feel free to continue using those devices. I don't find any value in them to risk my privacy for them. Yes I am well aware of my phone but it is a necessity nowadays. Those devices are not.None of those are evidence Amazon and Google devices are recording around the clock. They just indicate 1. that Googlers listen to lots of things (not that they have 24/7 recording); 2. that the US government has wide-reaching access to the data that does exist; 3. that surveillance data is shared between a host of countries. I'm well aware of XKEYSCORE and the various levels of "eyes" intelligence sharing, but that's not what we're talking about.
Let me reiterate my request more explicitly, since reading comprehension is clearly a problem for you: present evidence that Alexa or Google Assistant is recording everything non-stop. You will not provide vague claims about listening to "everything" based on anecdotes you can't possibly support (not without getting your partner in trouble, at least); you will not divert to tangential subjects like government surveillance. You will provide tangible, specific evidence of what I asked. Understood?
You see the problem? You're arguing based on half-truths, on unsupported extrapolations rather than directly relevant evidence. Yes, Amazon, Google and the NSA are more intrusive than they should be, but that doesn't mean that the worst you can imagine is automatically true. There's so far no evidence to indicate that Amazon and Google are literally recording everything within earshot, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest their recording is actually quite limited (even though it does have problems).
LOL! Are you seriously looking for Amazon and Google to come out and admit guilt? Are you really looking for them to say, "Yes, Aurelius, we have been recording you non-stop, 24/7, for the last 5 years?" Is life really a Black and White thing? That you cannot infer based on evidence or circumstances?None of those are evidence Amazon and Google devices are recording around the clock. They just indicate 1. that Googlers listen to lots of things (not that they have 24/7 recording); 2. that the US government has wide-reaching access to the data that does exist; 3. that surveillance data is shared between a host of countries. I'm well aware of XKEYSCORE and the various levels of "eyes" intelligence sharing, but that's not what we're talking about.
Let me reiterate my request more explicitly, since reading comprehension is clearly a problem for you: present evidence that Alexa or Google Assistant is recording everything non-stop. You will not provide vague claims about listening to "everything" based on anecdotes you can't possibly support (not without getting your partner in trouble, at least); you will not divert to tangential subjects like government surveillance. You will provide tangible, specific evidence of what I asked. Understood?
You see the problem? You're arguing based on half-truths, on unsupported extrapolations rather than directly relevant evidence. Yes, Amazon, Google and the NSA are more intrusive than they should be, but that doesn't mean that the worst you can imagine is automatically true. There's so far no evidence to indicate that Amazon and Google are literally recording everything within earshot, and there's plenty of evidence to suggest their recording is actually quite limited (even though it does have problems).