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$2500 5090 I’m out

NukeDukem said:
Yep, I might be buying my 6090 with silver or gold rounds :ROFLMAO:

Seriously though, anyone putting a 5090 on their 26% APR credit card has... issues. And sadly there's going to be plenty of us 'Muricans who will be doing just that. Priorities and such.
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Plenty? Doubt it, sure there will be a small few, but the rest of us will just buy it from BB or MC with 0% interest for 12-24 months. The payment for my 4090 was less than $100 a month with no interest, and you can EASILY save $100 per month for that 4090 by doing simple things like not buying Starbucks everyday. Hell I literally spend more than that every month on sushi.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Plenty? Doubt it, sure there will be a small few, but the rest of us will just buy it from BB or MC with 0% interest for 12-24 months. The payment for my 4090 was less than $100 a month with no interest, and you can EASILY save $100 per month for that 4090 by doing simple things like not buying Starbucks everyday. Hell I literally spend more than that every month on sushi.
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Edit: 2028 party platform: debt forgiveness for 5090 owners and free healthcare for sushi eaters. (Now we just need a [H] candidate to run on the platform)
 
MistaSparkul said:
Plenty? Doubt it, sure there will be a small few, but the rest of us will just buy it from BB or MC with 0% interest for 12-24 months.
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No sure if Bestbuy still has it,t least in canada they stopped, there is a $100 fee, in the US you must take their My best buy credit card visa gold that has a $60 fee I think. MC do look like they still have it.
 
peppergomez said:
$2500 for sushi?!? That's crazy.
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lol no I was saying that I spent more money on sushi in a month than I did on a 4090 payment. The 4090 payment from BestBuy was less than $100 per month, while eating sushi twice a month is more than $100 a month. The point I was trying to make is that a 4090 is relatively easy to afford and anyone could do it with very simple cut backs. People act like you have to be a literal billionaire to buy a top end GPU which is stupid. Yes I wish it was cheaper, don't we all? Who doesn't want cheaper GPUs like from the 1080 Ti days. But those days are over whether we like it or not, so you can either complain about it, or make the necessary cuts if you want to in order to pick one up. If I wanted to budget for a 5090 then cutting back on something like sushi would easily let me allocate to pay for it now, or I can cut back on something else like edibles. Now to wait to hear something about 5090 owners and weed breath :ROFLMAO:.
 
Even if you don't have the 4090 paid off by the time the 5090 comes out you could easily sell it and pay off the remainder. Could also proabaly put a good amount towards the 5090 for wven less payment.
 
MistaSparkul said:
lol no I was saying that I spent more money on sushi in a month than I did on a 4090 payment. The 4090 payment from BestBuy was less than $100 per month, while eating sushi twice a month is more than $100 a month. The point I was trying to make is that a 4090 is relatively easy to afford and anyone could do it with very simple cut backs. People act like you have to be a literal billionaire to buy a top end GPU which is stupid. Yes I wish it was cheaper, don't we all? Who doesn't want cheaper GPUs like from the 1080 Ti days. But those days are over whether we like it or not, so you can either complain about it, or make the necessary cuts if you want to in order to pick one up. If I wanted to budget for a 5090 then cutting back on something like sushi would easily let me allocate to pay for it now, or I can cut back on something else like edibles. Now to wait to hear something about 5090 owners and weed breath :ROFLMAO:.
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I can assure in the case of my (trying to be) funny comment that I was definitely trying to "exaggerate"...

Have no problem with your love of sushi, it just helped, I think as an addendum, again, for the sake of humor.
 
MistaSparkul said:
lol no I was saying that I spent more money on sushi in a month than I did on a 4090 payment. The 4090 payment from BestBuy was less than $100 per month, while eating sushi twice a month is more than $100 a month. The point I was trying to make is that a 4090 is relatively easy to afford and anyone could do it with very simple cut backs. People act like you have to be a literal billionaire to buy a top end GPU which is stupid. Yes I wish it was cheaper, don't we all? Who doesn't want cheaper GPUs like from the 1080 Ti days. But those days are over whether we like it or not, so you can either complain about it, or make the necessary cuts if you want to in order to pick one up. If I wanted to budget for a 5090 then cutting back on something like sushi would easily let me allocate to pay for it now, or I can cut back on something else like edibles. Now to wait to hear something about 5090 owners and weed breath :ROFLMAO:.
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In my case I just start saving for the next card after buying the new one so I am never in debt to somebody else. $80 over the 25 months since I bought my 4090 by the time the "5090" comes out is $2,000.
 
Hmm I usually buy them out right, but I'm not going to pass up a FREE split payment with no interest.
 
Hulk said:
Nvidia has better drivers...
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They have better hardware, raytracing, drivers (on the whole, sure people hsve issues with both but Nvidia has less compared to their market share), software stack for devs and AI, better upscaling, and higher quality frame generation in motion. The only thing they do is charge more for their goods as they are objectively superior. Not a bad package!
 
To be fair, the 5090 is clearly not aimed at the "average" gamer, it is aimed at the high end "must have the best or have a use case" market. The rumored specification gap and price gap is just too far from the 5080. I'd also bet a 5080Ti will exist at some point to partially fill that gap.

That being said, even at 4K, the 4090 is still an absolute beast. I'll probably snag a 5090 at some point, but for the first time in a long time, I feel I can simply wait for a bit once it releases.
 
MistaSparkul said:
Plenty? Doubt it, sure there will be a small few, but the rest of us will just buy it from BB or MC with 0% interest for 12-24 months. The payment for my 4090 was less than $100 a month with no interest, and you can EASILY save $100 per month for that 4090 by doing simple things like not buying Starbucks everyday. Hell I literally spend more than that every month on sushi.
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You usually need decent credit to qualify for that to begin with. Those with significant debt which is who dude was referring to, typically don’t.
 
WilyKit said:
You usually need decent credit to qualify for that to begin with. Those with significant debt which is who dude was referring to, typically don’t.
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For sure. But he said there would be a good number of such people with bad credit who will buy a 5090 which I don't agree with, but maybe my perspective is skewed. I feel like the majority of 5090 buyers are either people who have vast sums of disposable income that they won't even need to take on any debt at all, or they will be people who would take on debt but one with comfortable terms and manage the responsibility of paying it on time. I just think the number of 5090 buyers who are people with terrible credit and spending habits are a very small minority.
 
“Plenty” is a subjective term. More than one would be “plenty”, in my personal opinion. There will be “plenty” of folks flexing e-peen while paying interest, or supporting the scalpers. Not implying that’s the majority.

It was simply a response to the guy who made a joke about 5090 debt forgiveness being a 2028 election campaign issue. I thought it was clever, in light of the fact Americans hold a record amount of high interest credit card debt. Hopefully no one here falls into that category.
 
yea i play at 1440p so 4090 should be good for a long time to max out all settings in games.
 
Epyon said:
I’m good with my 4090 and 4080 for my 3-D rendering I’m just gonna set up a Q system and have that shit render while I’m offshore working most of the time I know I make more than $100,000 a year but at $2500 for a 5090 I’m out

More law as dead reporting that’s what the new price is gonna be $2000-$2500 and they’re leaning closer to 2500 and there’s not even any games that really need a 5090 Jesus
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First off, listening to Moores Law is dead isn't a good option, he is never right. Second, even if they are $2500 people will still buy and the Nvidia fat cats will be laughing their asses off...
 
GoldenTiger said:
They have better hardware, raytracing, drivers (on the whole, sure people hsve issues with both but Nvidia has less compared to their market share), software stack for devs and AI, better upscaling, and higher quality frame generation in motion. The only thing they do is charge more for their goods as they are objectively superior. Not a bad package!
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Terrible package. While what you said was true, let's look at the product stack.

Similar to the 4090, the 5090 is clearly the only one really advancing the performance gen over gen. That's not to say the 5080 won't either, but it is basically half of a 5090 in specs. Why such the divide? It's clear that as functionally a monopoly because AMD can't bother really competing, the 5090 is the pity release to the halo card / Titan market, but you'll pay for it. Meanwhile all the gaming cards (the 5080 and below) are a marginal gen on gen improvement at best and will probably cost more than ever.

Ironically, we are also seeing some game devs using this superior Nvidia tech like DLSS and Frame Gen to get lazy about optimizing their own games (look at the minimum and recommended specs for Monster Hunter Wilds for a laugh), which ironically will make one need a higher end card. I don't think we are going a good direction at all.
 
Sir Beregond said:
That's not to say the 5080 won't either, but it is basically half of a 5090 in specs. Why such the divide?
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Could be a way to make it china legal, but mostly we can support to make it fit in current 4090mobile chassis directly, same size, same 256 bits bus, etc...

The 5090 line (the non D) goes free without such limitation, going on for that line, cost less to move it, but I imagine gpu can and must in a way get better without making the die bigger gen over gen, which is not sustainable.

Sir Beregond said:
(look at the minimum and recommended specs for Monster Hunter Wilds for a laugh)
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Considering it will run on PS5, Xbox, which are probably around half the game sales, I am not sure they can rely on big pc performance (or dlss) instead of optimizing their games.

They seem to ask around ps5 hardware for usual target PS5 performance, the idea that they targetted 30 fps on the ps5 because there was dlss and frame gen on PC.. maybe, that feel like a stretch.
 
LukeTbk said:
Could be a way to make it china legal, but mostly we can support to make it fit in current 4090mobile chassis directly, same size, same 256 bits bus, etc...

The 5090 line (the non D) goes free without such limitation, going on for that line, cost less to move it, but I imagine gpu can and must in a way get better without making the die bigger gen over gen, which is not sustainable.


Considering it will run on PS5, Xbox, which are probably around half the game sales, I am not sure they can rely on big pc performance (or dlss) instead of optimizing their games.

They seem to ask around ps5 hardware for usual target PS5 performance, the idea that they targetted 30 fps on the ps5 because there was dlss and frame gen on PC.. maybe, that feel like a stretch.
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They want an RTX 4060 WITH Frame Gen to hit even 60FPS at 1080p. What a joke!
 
Sir Beregond said:
They want an RTX 4060 WITH Frame Gen to hit even 60FPS at 1080p. What a joke!
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Well if they target 1000/1200p-30 fps on a ps5, the 4060 is not really more powerful, there is nothing good-bad, optimised-non optimised about raw value like that, all depends on the actual game.

What percentage of GPU of the target sales (xboxs-xboxx-PS5-PC) support NVIDIA frame gen, 10% ?, that was not released when they started that game, I doubt it was some big variable in any decision made. It did influence the person writting the recommended specs sheet, but the actual game, I am not sure frame gen work well at all at those low fps to start with or that the user base is large enough to be a factor)

We are talking a 2025 game that recommend having a 2070 and a 11600k to play it, a good 7 years ago PC....
 
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LukeTbk said:
Well if they target 1000/1200p-30 fps on a ps5, the 4060 is not really more powerful, there is nothing good-bad, optimised-non optimised about raw value like that, all depends on the actual game.

What percentage of GPU of the target sales (xboxs-xboxx-PS5-PC) support NVIDIA frame gen, 10% ?, that was not released when they started that game, I doubt it was some big variable in any decision made.

We are talking a 2025 game that recommend having a 2070 and a 11600k to play it, a good 7 years ago PC....
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You make a good point that developers in 2024 cannot be making games that run well on decade old hardware, at some point you have to move the goalpost forward in order to advance graphics. But this is Capcom though, their PC version of games just tend to be very subpar. Just look at Dragon's Dogma 2 for example that thing runs horribly even on top end PC and the graphics are not worth the performance at all.
 
MistaSparkul said:
You make a good point that developers in 2024 cannot be making games that run well on decade old hardware
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I think shifting to ps5 only release can of do it, you will need a 2070 super-6700, 3600 type of cpu to run it has well, if the port is really good and if the PS5 target 30 fps-1200p that what that kind of PC will do. If you want to run it at high graphic-1440p-60fps (say average 70+) you will need 3 time the power of that (an rtx 4080 with a strong CPU, something we see).

I am not sure we can make a link between performance-hardware and optimisation level without looking at the game, you can have the most optimised game of all time running 30 fps on a 2070 super if that was their target and one that run at 120 fps that is terrible, depend on what the title do.
 
MistaSparkul said:
You make a good point that developers in 2024 cannot be making games that run well on decade old hardware, at some point you have to move the goalpost forward in order to advance graphics. But this is Capcom though, their PC version of games just tend to be very subpar. Just look at Dragon's Dogma 2 for example that thing runs horribly even on top end PC and the graphics are not worth the performance at all.
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Moving the goal post forward should absolutely be done. This is why I am not crazy about spending big $$$ on cards that don't do that. The 5090 certainly does, but the rest of the stack mirrors the 40-series a lot and that's not a good trend. If the 5080 substantially beats a 4090, then maybe I can eat my words a bit, but if it only matches, that would be very disappointing.
 
Sir Beregond said:
Terrible package. While what you said was true, let's look at the product stack.

Similar to the 4090, the 5090 is clearly the only one really advancing the performance gen over gen. That's not to say the 5080 won't either, but it is basically half of a 5090 in specs. Why such the divide? It's clear that as functionally a monopoly because AMD can't bother really competing, the 5090 is the pity release to the halo card / Titan market, but you'll pay for it. Meanwhile all the gaming cards (the 5080 and below) are a marginal gen on gen improvement at best and will probably cost more than ever.

Ironically, we are also seeing some game devs using this superior Nvidia tech like DLSS and Frame Gen to get lazy about optimizing their own games (look at the minimum and recommended specs for Monster Hunter Wilds for a laugh), which ironically will make one need a higher end card. I don't think we are going a good direction at all.
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Interestingly, all the new OLED hotness with 4k/240 (me) and 1440P/360 (almost me) use DSC which is not compatible with DLSS.

Maybe that will change in the near future, I don't know.

My 3090 is decent on a 4k/240 but most games are in the mid/high 100s - since even the 4080 is more powerful than the 3090, I feel like the 5080 is going to be plenty.

I guess we'll see - but Nvidia always has a few tricks up their sleeve when it comes to new features and reasons to make you buy higher up the product chain.

I could probably get a 5090 is I really, really wanted to, but whatever that reason is, it would be fighting not just my wallet (which, if I'm honest, can be a push over) but also an extra 250-350W of heat which is going to be the real sales job...
 
I can afford one and have no issue buying one if I think it's worthwhile vs. the 40-series. Well, that and there are games out there that can actually make use of it. A lot of the games that the 4090 can't max are half-busted and more horsepower won't change that.
 
DoubleTap said:
Interestingly, all the new OLED hotness with 4k/240 (me) and 1440P/360 (almost me) use DSC which is not compatible with DLSS.

Maybe that will change in the near future, I don't know.

My 3090 is decent on a 4k/240 but most games are in the mid/high 100s - since even the 4080 is more powerful than the 3090, I feel like the 5080 is going to be plenty.

I guess we'll see - but Nvidia always has a few tricks up their sleeve when it comes to new features and reasons to make you buy higher up the product chain.

I could probably get a 5090 is I really, really wanted to, but whatever that reason is, it would be fighting not just my wallet (which, if I'm honest, can be a push over) but also an extra 250-350W of heat which is going to be the real sales job...
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What are you talking about? DLSS is compatible with DSC, my monitor uses DSC (Asus PG32UCDP) and I use DLSS in pretty much every single game that has it.
 
MistaSparkul said:
What are you talking about? DLSS is compatible with DSC, my monitor uses DSC (Asus PG32UCDP) and I use DLSS in pretty much every single game that has it.
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Came in to say the same exact thing... PG32UQX here, uses DSC for 144Hz, 4K, 12Bit depth... I use DLAA in most games (DLSS no scaling down) and DLSS Quality in other games, 0 issues, works flawlessly.
 
DoubleTap said:
use DSC which is not compatible with DLSS.
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How DSC would even know if DLSS was used ? DLSS is not even at the end of the rendering pipeline (Tone map, bloom, motion blur, lens depth of field effect, post effect in general get applied post upscaling usually, DLSS or TAA)

And would it know, why-how could it matter ? I could be missing something here, never really coded directly on those.
 
I honestly think I'm done buying brand new GPU's. Jenson can kiss my ass lol. I'm gonna wait very patiently with my 4090 for the next 3 years and see where the used market is. If I'm even into gaming by that age I have a dozen other hobbies that are competing for the disposable money and gaming is getting less appealing the older I get.
 
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