$2500 5090 I’m out

The NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti launched in September 2018 with a price of $999.

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It makes me curious if later down the road Nvidia will release a Super edition of the 5000 series, more powerful but cheaper, especially the 4080 which pissed me off.
 
killroy67 said:
It makes me curious if later down the road Nvidia will release a Super edition of the 5000 series, more powerful but cheaper, especially the 4080 which pissed me off.
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Only if they need to. Nvidia had the headroom to make a 4090Ti. All these coolers were built around a 600 watt TDP but the card only consumed 4-450. Nothing ever came close to 4090 performance so there was no need for the Ti
 
killroy67 said:
It makes me curious if later down the road Nvidia will release a Super edition of the 5000 series, more powerful but cheaper, especially the 4080 which pissed me off.
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A lot of that is dependent on yields. E.g. if they have a lot chips that don't make the 5090 cut then we will most likely see a 24GB 5080Ti later on in the cycle similar to how 5070Ti is dies that don't make the 5080 cut. Not sure if there is more headroom to make a 5080 super and it will make more sense for a return of the 5080Ti than super based on the massive difference between the 5080 and the 5090.
 
derek533 said:
That's kinda risky isn't it? I mean, I know the 4090 founder's edition was about $1700 retail I believe and it shot right up. We've reached insanity on new GPU prices I'd think and the people who actually can afford and want a 5090 are going to buy retail with phat return policy in case.

Just seems risky on a high dollar unsure of demand item like that IMO. The nerds and enthusiasts will find a way to get one but after that, who's got $2,500 to have a GPU that maybe 1 or 2 games can take advantage of?
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This is [H]. Everybody complaining about the price will still buy one the second it’s available. We have some e peen hardcore enthusiasts around here. And judging by the last 2 generational launches from each company, these will be instantly sold out and scalped.

And the kicker is… plenty of people here will pay scalper prices they just won’t admit it.
 
I won;t be getting an upgrade to 50 gen, the Zotac 4090 I have was FE price and it's UVd (975mV) and VRAM OCd (+1100MHz) with locked boost clock (2730MHz). A 5090 doesn't look like it is going to provide a meaningful upgrade vs what I have now, all my games are locked to up to 120fps as I don't feel the need to play at a higher fps and as such the 4090 cruises along silently in games like Stalker 2 with 1100rpm fanspeeds with the rest of my system totally silent. I have a 240Hz OLED but the benefits of 240Hz can be realised even when you're not playing at 235fps....

So with that in mind it seems pointless looking at MFG as all of the other features of DLSS4 are coming to 40 series and others anyway, so more fps, better image quality, better DLSS3 frame gen with lower latency, better Reflex via frame warping which means better camera response when using enhanced Frame Gen.... I think there's a reason why Nvidia are using RTX50 as a short time exclusive before releasing the additional DLSS4 features to RTX 40 and 30 and 20 series, as it gives more time for people to buy RTX 50 before they realise they can get free IQ and fps gains with the new update.

Also there's no way AIB cards are going to be anywhere near $2000/£2000 lol. The 4090 AIB cards were often sold around £1900 remember lol, and FE cards were so hard to get that it was a complete luck game.
 
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I was ready to skip the 5090 with a 50% increase now that I'm hearing and learning that it's only going to be about a 30% increase absolutely positively skipping the 5090 there's no way I'm going to pay $2,500 for 30%. I'm an enthusiast that likes to be on the bleeding edge but I'm also not going to be careless with my money. I think the days of me being on the bleeding edge are over there are other things to spend money on that can bring equal or. more amounts of joy to me and my family. I have a 13 series Intel and a 4000 series video card is more than enough to make it to the 6000 series launch for NVIDIA by that time we can reevaluate what's going on with prices till then I'm not throwing any more money into the water as far as PC gaming and I'm content with that. This is the first flagship GPU series I will be skipping and not just that I'll be skipping the entire generation of 5000 series all together no doubt.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
I was ready to skip the 5090 with a 50% increase now that I'm hearing and learning that it's only going to be about a 30% increase absolutely positively skipping the 5090 there's no way I'm going to pay $2,500 for 30%. I'm an enthusiast that likes to be on the bleeding edge but I'm also not going to be careless with my money. I think the days of me being on the bleeding edge are over there are other things to spend money on that can bring equal or. more amounts of joy to me and my family. I have a 13 series Intel and a 4000 series video card is more than enough to make it to the 6000 series launch for NVIDIA by that time we can reevaluate what's going on with prices till then I'm not throwing any more money into the water as far as PC gaming and I'm content with that. This is the first flagship GPU series I will be skipping and not just that I'll be skipping the entire generation of 5000 series all together no doubt.
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If the "mighty" RTX-5090 is only a 30% performance upgrade from the 4090 that's a disaster of a card that'll run $2,000+ and AIB cards being $2,500+

I've been buying video cards for almost 30 years and my decision making has always been, the new card needs to be at the bare minimum 30% to 40% faster then my previous card, and that's the absolute minimum where I would maybe possibly think about getting it if it was on sale for a good price. But for a card costing this goddamn much no freaking way. It needs to be like 60% to 75% better performance than previous gen to justify that price and small jump in performance.

Do we know for sure the 5090 is only a 30% upgrade over the 4090? I'll wait for sites like Gamers Nexus to do deep dive reviews and benchmarks without the gimmick AI crap. Just give me benchmarks in raw performance no tricks no DLSS or frame regeneration silly stuff.
 
The only huge gains for this gen are in the AI side of things. Everything else you can guesstimate based on the clock speed and CUDA count. I believe the 5090 has around 30% more CUDA cores but a lower clock speed than the 4090. Most cards only have 2-4 more RTX units as well but they are a newer generation so should preform a bit better.

However they started listing the AI performance this gen and it is 2-3x higher than the last gen, so that is where all the money went this round. They are trying salvage gaming performance numbers by using AI generated frames.
 
I'd be interested in a poll thread to see what everyone's threshold is for buying a flagship card is. I bet most 4090 owners just don't care and would pay 5k+ for a card just to have it, even if the next fastest card was 90% as fast for less than half as much. For a lot of them, it's not even about the games, just about having the hardware.
 
Zorachus said:
If the "mighty" RTX-5090 is only a 30% performance upgrade from the 4090 that's a disaster of a card that'll run $2,000+ and AIB cards being $2,500+

I've been buying video cards for almost 30 years and my decision making has always been, the new card needs to be at the bare minimum 30% to 40% faster then my previous card, and that's the absolute minimum where I would maybe possibly think about getting it if it was on sale for a good price. But for a card costing this goddamn much no freaking way. It needs to be like 60% to 75% better performance than previous gen to justify that price and small jump in performance.

Do we know for sure the 5090 is only a 30% upgrade over the 4090? I'll wait for sites like Gamers Nexus to do deep dive reviews and benchmarks without the gimmick AI crap. Just give me benchmarks in raw performance no tricks no DLSS or frame regeneration silly stuff.
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Ya if you aren't planning to use the laggy/glitchy frame generation AI crap (which I don't use), regular rasterization performance looking like only 30% uplift vs 4090. If I can't snag a 5090 at launch for MSRP, I'm not going to sweat it and just sit on my 4090.
 
Vega said:
Ya if you aren't planning to use the laggy/glitchy frame generation AI crap (which I don't use), regular rasterization performance looking like only 30% uplift vs 4090. If I can't snag a 5090 at launch for MSRP, I'm not going to sweat it and just sit on my 4090.
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FE might be really hard to get but there are a ton of other models so who knows. Of course they will be even more expensive though.
 
Why is the FE version only a Best Buy product? When I got my 4080 two years ago I went with the FE as I like the look of it, plus was a little cheaper, but I did try and get the 4090 FE but man that thing was always out of stock, nearly impossible to find, so I went with the 4080 FE.

Man I just wish nVidia would sell the FE versions directly through their website and allow pre-orders like if buying a new iPhone or Galaxy phone. Not this silly thing of having like 30 seconds to buy it from Best Buy and wait forever.
 
T4rd said:
I'd be interested in a poll thread to see what everyone's threshold is for buying a flagship card is. I bet most 4090 owners just don't care and would pay 5k+ for a card just to have it, even if the next fastest card was 90% as fast for less than half as much. For a lot of them, it's not even about the games, just about having the hardware.
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For that much more buy the full chip workstation card that hasn't been cut down. But I get your point and it's true for those with more money than time.
 
Sir Beregond said:
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It did in fact have an FE MSRP of $999, but let's be real, that card never existed below $1200 outside the FE, and the FE even was far more limited / unobtainium.
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As for Lovelace, apart from the FE, the AIBs did have bottom-shelf models of 3080 at launch for MSRP. But these were in very small volume and, after initial sell out in about 20 seconds, weren't seen back in stock for months. On the other hand, AIBs made sure there was ample stock of their top-end cards which cost 20-30% more than MSRP.
 
harmattan said:
As for Lovelace, apart from the FE, the AIBs did have bottom-shelf models of 3080 at launch for MSRP. But these were in very small volume and, after initial sell out in about 20 seconds, weren't seen back in stock for months. On the other hand, AIBs made sure there was ample stock of their top-end cards which cost 20-30% more than MSRP.
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Ampere?

Lovelace I did at least see plenty of MSRP models restock at my local Micro Center through their lifecycle, but some AIBs really added to that for their other models...looking at you ASUS Strix.
 
Sir Beregond said:
Ampere?

Lovelace I did at least see plenty of MSRP models restock at my local Micro Center through their lifecycle, but some AIBs really added to that for their other models...looking at you ASUS Strix.
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Yep, Ampere. Getting architecture names mixed up.

There was dismal volume/stock of Ampere of MSRP cards.
 
killroy67 said:
Keep your 4080 or 4090 and enjoy DLSS4 and enhanced frame generation if needed, wait until the next release and what it brings. If you're going to spend $1500 to over $2000 make damn sure it's more than worth it.

Personally I can't wait to see how the 4080 does with DLSS4 in Stalker.2.
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That's pretty much what I'm waiting to see. I've decided my 4080 is going to stay for another gen......
 
killroy67 said:
Why not, if I'm going to spend that kind of silly money it's going to be at least 50-60% or more performance increase, and that doesn't include DLSS or frame gen.
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I was ready to do a new 5080 at the MSRP but the fact that I'm paying 1k so I can rely on DLSS is like you said, just plain silly!
 
cesarioFL71 said:
That's pretty much what I'm waiting to see. I've decided my 4080 is going to stay for another gen......
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I guess video cards have become like smartphones. If you currently have an iPhone 15 Pro Max, why spend the $1300+ for a 16 Pro Max? Is there really that much of a noticeable upgrade? No. But if you currently have like a 12 Pro Max then yes a 16 Pro Max will feel like a big time upgrade.
 
cesarioFL71 said:
I was ready to do a new 5080 at the MSRP but the fact that I'm paying 1k so I can rely on DLSS is like you said, just plain silly!
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I have the RTX-4080 FE right now, I'd be open to the idea of the $999 5080 but that's only if it's at least a 40% to 50% performance upgrade, in raw straight benchmarks without DLSS or frame regen or AI gimmicks, etc... But I don't think that will be case whatsoever. What will just the straight performance difference be between a 4080 and 5080?
 
Zorachus said:
I have the RTX-4080 FE right now, I'd be open to the idea of the $999 5080 but that's only if it's at least a 40% to 50% performance upgrade, in raw straight benchmarks without DLSS or frame regen or AI gimmicks, etc... But I don't think that will be case whatsoever. What will just the straight performance difference be between a 4080 and 5080?
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We don't know yet, have to wait on reviews.
 
This might be a case of Jensen not being able to extract as much performance out of the chips as needed? And just relying on dlss for marketing. Kind of like the scummy tactics intel was using except Intel probably was stuck in that rut where in Nvidia over here is trying to sell us slower cards for more money because you know they could afford to make them better but they chose not to. The sliminess of Nvidia has reached a new height even though it's always been high. I feel like Jensen is just seeing how much he can get away with judging by his arrogance in the press release which was kind of disgusting if I'm being honest he thinks he's the king of the world which in AI he is but the egotistical reek coming off of him kind of matches the sliminess of his products performance kind of like a used car salesman vibe where the salesman is trying to pump up the product more than what it actually is.
For whatever reason the 5000 series performance likely isn't going to be there from what we are expecting judging from a hardware perspective.
 
Zorachus said:
What will just the straight performance difference be between a 4080 and 5080?
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considering no price increase versus the super and a $200 cut from the 4080 original MSRP, would not expect something impressive, no significant core count increase or frequency on a modest node improvement, memory bandwidth could make the 4k decline of Lovelace under 4090 less of a thing.
 
xDiVolatilX said:
This might be a case of Jensen not being able to extract as much performance out of the chips as needed? And just relying on dlss for marketing. Kind of like the scummy tactics intel was using except Intel probably was stuck in that rut where in Nvidia over here is trying to sell us slower cards for more money because you know they could afford to make them better but they chose not to. The sliminess of Nvidia has reached a new height even though it's always been high. I feel like Jensen is just seeing how much he can get away with judging by his arrogance in the press release which was kind of disgusting if I'm being honest he thinks he's the king of the world which in AI he is but the egotistical reek coming off of him kind of matches the sliminess of his products performance kind of like a used car salesman vibe where the salesman is trying to pump up the product more than what it actually is.
For whatever reason the 5000 series performance likely isn't going to be there from what we are expecting judging from a hardware perspective.
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So which model of the 5090 will you be purchasing?
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I see a lot of people making decisions before we really have solid information from reviewers.
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They are trying to convince themselves (a bit of a strange thing to talk about to start with....) and why even think about it before actual reviews (maybe I thought you need to decide and put an order before it actually launch to get them too)
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I see a lot of people making decisions before we really have solid information from reviewers.
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For me it's not as much waiting for reviews and making a decision but more the prices, which is why I'm going back to upgrading every other cycle. I had my 1080 for 5 years before getting the 3080 12gb, which blew me away, when I got the 4080 it was more subdued. For the money these cards are going for now I want my next upgrade to rock my world.
 
killroy67 said:
For me it's not as much waiting for reviews and making a decision but more the prices, which is why I'm going back to upgrading every other cycle. I had my 1080 for 5 years before getting the 3080 12gb, which blew me away, when I got the 4080 it was more subdued. For the money these cards are going for now I want my next upgrade to rock my world.
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Perfectly said and is the smart move. Like I've said before video cards are becoming like smartphones, it's silly dumb to buy a brand new iPhone Pro every single year, because lately there's virtually no difference or noticeable performance improvements year to year anymore. It takes 2 or 3 generations of smartphones to make a noticeable improvement.

The smart move would be 2080 Ti to 4090, and then 4090 to 6090 to really notice wow bang boom super performance improvement. If a 5090 is only 30% faster than a 4090, that would be hard to truly see much of a difference in games. Now if it's 60% to 70% difference, then were talking sweet improvement and very noticeable.

At this point we just need to wait for true reviews and real benchmarks that aren't sponsored by nVidia. Until then this is all speculation.
 
Smart move is a lot to do with pricing, some people sold their 2080ti, bought a 3090 and with hashrate mining and resales value bought a 4090, with the current resales value of the 4090 the whole endavor will have been at a very reasonable price versus what you describe.
 
1.1.2.3.5... said:
I see a lot of people making decisions before we really have solid information from reviewers.
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There's nothing about the 5080 tha
Zorachus said:
I have the RTX-4080 FE right now, I'd be open to the idea of the $999 5080 but that's only if it's at least a 40% to 50% performance upgrade, in raw straight benchmarks without DLSS or frame regen or AI gimmicks, etc... But I don't think that will be case whatsoever. What will just the straight performance difference be between a 4080 and 5080?
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I doubt we will see 40% gains without DLSS magic and that kills the deal for me. There's no game currently out or on the horizon that I need to play so badly with increased FPS that I will just spend 1k for an extra 15-20 fps. Sorry......just not happening!
 
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