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Yes indeed, I live near the shithole called Worcester. It's really a hour drive and I've been there several times, but these days I hate driving into Boston, the average speed on the Mass Pike is 90-100mph, and it's loaded with lunatic Masshole drivers. So I would rather stay home and wait for whatever to become available. Go figure I used to drive LTL tractor trailers into Boston all the time, I don't know how the hell I did it.
In the grand scheme of the universe, Earth as a whole, doesn’t matter either so whatever point you think you’re making, I’m not so sure you succeeded.
looks like a general statement to me, nobody HAS to have one day one, they want to.
I'm not sure why you are so concerned about the high-end GPUs. It's obvious you aren't the target market at all.
why are you making it personal? i can afford one, i cant justify it.
Not personal at all. It's obvious from your comments and sig that you buy lower end PC components. Nothing wrong with that.
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lol ok...
My point was you are complaining about price when you don't buy high priced stuff anyway. Hence the comment you aren't the target market for the high-end.
"looks like a general statement" is not complaining about prices and that is what you replied to.
Is my stuff high end enough to complain, or do I have to own a 4090, I didn't know we had a hierarchy here
Most of time was probably spent on the grace super computer + blackwell and nvlink for data centers.
I wonder what initial stock will look like. Scalpers will likely be selling them for $3000.
Mine weren't installing new hardware but unlocking that hardware to its fullest potential: 1) figuring out how to allocate an extra 256k of sys mem in cmd prompt from 4mb to play Wing Commander and Ultima Black Gate 2) unmasking shaders on my GF 6800 vanilla to a 6800 GT.
Ahh yes... "conventional memory"
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I remember when I was a kid we upgraded from 8 MB to like, 40 MB or something. I remember it was crazy at the time, I don't recall what processor.
They're no longer in production and scalpers are trying to scalp.
3rd part sellers trying to hook someone desperate
No lowballers, I know what I got.
I mean, seriously, there is literally no downside to them trying to pull this right now.
The 50 series announcement is already here, so they already missed the window to sell at pre-50 series announcement prices, so now they are just going to keep those prices up there for a few weeks hoping someone desperate will pay and hoping 50-series supply is terrible, so they look like a viable alternative.
I bet their plan is to re-assess based on 50-series availability and price them accordingly.
If 50-series availability is not an issue (which seems unlikely based on every GPU launch in the last 5 years) the true value of a NIB 4090 is probably going be somewhere between the price of the 5080 and the price of the 5070 ti, as that's where real performance will fall (without all the DLSS bullshit turned on). To find appropriate 4090 pricing, I would interpolate where between the 5080 and 5070ti it lands (when all DLSS is disabled on both) and then maybe subrtract $50 because it is an older architecture and doesn't support all the latest DLSS features.
So we are talking somewhere in the $700 to $950 range. Curently the 4090 beats the 4080 by ~26%, and Nvidia claims both the 5090 and 5080 are about 35% faster (without DLSS) so if that holds up, the 5080 will perform about 7% better than the 4090. So lets guesstimate 4090 fair pricing at about ~$880.
But if you have new in box inventory 4090's right now, it is totally worth it to just hold out and see if you can sell them at those prices, because 50-series inventory could be disastrous, and scalped way higher than MSRP, and performance figures havent been independently tested yet. Worst thing they can do from their perspective is fire sale their inventory, only to find out they didn't have to.
So they are likely totally in "wait and see" mode right now.
And that presumes they are even competent or care. The 4090 may just be one of many things they carry in stock, that they don't give much mind share to, or they are unwilling to take the financial writeoff on it as it looks bad, and will instead just sit on it indefinitely. This happens a lot, even though the financial incentive should be that it is better to get something for it than nothing.
Human psychology is weird like that.
I only get 4080 Super ~+8% based on cores and clocks, non-DLSS. Normally I wouldn’t put much weight on a crude calc like that, but the ~+30% 4090 -> 5090 look right on the money according to NVIDIA’s charts. I think the 5080 is going to massively disappoint and end up 10-15% slower than the 4090, so I’m not expecting used 4090 prices to remain below $1,100-1,200 after the pre and post-launch instability. We’ll find out in a few weeks, but I think anyone expecting >4090 performance from this thing is not going to be a happy camper.No lowballers, I know what I got.
I mean, seriously, there is literally no downside to them trying to pull this right now.
The 50 series announcement is already here, so they already missed the window to sell at pre-50 series announcement prices, so now they are just going to keep those prices up there for a few weeks hoping someone desperate will pay and hoping 50-series supply is terrible, so they look like a viable alternative.
I bet their plan is to re-assess based on 50-series availability and price them accordingly.
If 50-series availability is not an issue (which seems unlikely based on every GPU launch in the last 5 years) the true value of a NIB 4090 is probably going be somewhere between the price of the 5080 and the price of the 5070 ti, as that's where real performance will fall (without all the DLSS bullshit turned on). To find appropriate 4090 pricing, I would interpolate where between the 5080 and 5070ti it lands (when all DLSS is disabled on both) and then maybe subrtract $50 because it is an older architecture and doesn't support all the latest DLSS features.
So we are talking somewhere in the $700 to $950 range. Curently the 4090 beats the 4080 by ~26%, and Nvidia claims both the 5090 and 5080 are about 35% faster (without DLSS) so if that holds up, the 5080 will perform about 7% better than the 4090. So lets guesstimate 4090 fair pricing at about ~$880.
But if you have new in box inventory 4090's right now, it is totally worth it to just hold out and see if you can sell them at those prices, because 50-series inventory could be disastrous, and scalped way higher than MSRP, and performance figures havent been independently tested yet. Worst thing they can do from their perspective is fire sale their inventory, only to find out they didn't have to.
So they are likely totally in "wait and see" mode right now.
And that presumes they are even competent or care. The 4090 may just be one of many things they carry in stock, that they don't give much mind share to, or they are unwilling to take the financial writeoff on it as it looks bad, and will instead just sit on it indefinitely. This happens a lot, even though the financial incentive should be that it is better to get something for it than nothing.
Human psychology is weird like that.
The 2080 Ti was $1200
Indeed.
Everything about that is crazy af to me. How many layers is that pcb?
