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well c6 releases later this moth right?
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Looks like the 55+ tandem panels will have fixed banding. We'll probably have to wait for rtings to get their hands on a c6 42-48" before we know if the new chipset fixes banding on those as well.
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-m7pii-8NU&t=97s
Yeah the dithering supposedly fixes that, but I've heard that near viewing , even ~ 3 feet away from a 55" has visible dithering lines in the G5 according to some sources, so probably the G6 too. Others say it's not noticeable "beyond 3 feet" or some say "beyond 5 feet", but they usually don't mention the screen sizes, and might be talking about 4:2:0 movie (or dynamic compression streaming service) watching, so the info I've seen seems to be reviewers speaking more generally than any solid measurement method. Good news for living room and home theater, but might not be great for ~ 60 deg viewing angle pc "command center" type setups.
If I had a 55" 16:9 at my pc, I'd be viewing it from around 3.5 feet
55" 4k at 60 deg viewing angle = 42 inch view distance
55" 4k at 50 deg viewing angle = 50 inch view distance.
View: https://youtu.be/1fZ3RZwet6U
This guy is saying that he has been told (by LG) that the dithering issue is "significantly reduced".
View: https://youtu.be/1fZ3RZwet6U
This guy is saying that he has been told (by LG) that the dithering issue is "significantly reduced".
Panel to panel variances mean you should calibrate if yourself. There is no optimized list that works well on all units.well I got the c5 where do I go for the list of optimized settings its been so long i forgot
well I got the c5 where do I go for the list of optimized settings its been so long i forgot
Yep, but he should bear in mind the above.You are better off checking out AVSForums when it comes to TV setup guides.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/lg-2025-c5-series-oled-owners-thread-general-help-settings.3331722/
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/lg...d-general-help-settings.3332120/post-64178489
C6 48 has a Tandem panel
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbcFjyXnrhw
Obviously not as bright as the G series, but still cool to see.
I really wish they'd offer the G series in 42", 48" etc... or just put the same high end panel in the C series and just leave G for those who want the "artsy mount on the wall look" to it. I wonder when we'll start seeing tandem panels used in decent 4K 240hz 32" panels.
I honestly didn't know that one was a Tandem / 4th Gen OLED. Thanks. On the LG webpage for it (currently selling for $999) it talks about an MLA+ display which used to be used for 3rd gen display tech from LG, not "Tandem" which was 4th gen being discussed here or in the C6 / G6. I wonder if Asus will take the same tandem panel and build a ROG monitor for it; so far the last Tandem I saw they had was a 1440P version.
I honestly didn't know that one was a Tandem / 4th Gen OLED. Thanks. On the LG webpage for it (currently selling for $999) it talks about an MLA+ display which used to be used for 3rd gen display tech from LG, not "Tandem" which was 4th gen being discussed here or in the C6 / G6. I wonder if Asus will take the same tandem panel and build a ROG monitor for it; so far the last Tandem I saw they had was a 1440P version.
That said, it is a bit odd that the C6 / G6 are still stuck at 120hz rendering (apparently VRR up to 165 but the display can only handle 120?) when other aspects of the display have evolved. My old C2 has done a great job for several years now, but I thought that by C6 they'd be onto higher specs in certain regards as well as the newer panels and stuff like including DisplayPort instead of only HDMI etc
It would be easier for them to just drop a DisplayPort 2.1 port on the thing next to the HDMI plugs. Especially given that users have been using the OLEDs as monitors since the CX 48" , you'd think if bandwidth was a problem they could add some DisplayPort for those using the thing like a monitor with 240hz refresh rates. People connecting their HDMI set top boxes and consoles aren't going to need to push anything above 120hz but at least it could be doable if your hardware supported it otherwise like a PC GPU. It would also make things much easier for us (admittedly niche in the grand scheme of things) Linux users who don't want to deal with HDMI bullshit restrictions for full bandwidth use if using FOSS drivers (ie the most performant and compatible thing with AMD GPUs).165Hz is probably just an overclock from what is a native 120Hz panel. I don't think we will see 240Hz panels until HDMI 2.2 starts rolling out so maybe in 2028 at the earliest. The big issue I have with tandem monitors (all OLED monitors actually) is that because of heat and burn in concerns, the brightness will always be reduced quite a bit compared to larger TVs. That tandem 32" monitor will not deliver HDR anywhere near the 48" C6 for sure.
My thinking is that they just don't want to spend money to upgrade the controller to something capable of handling 240 Hz. It's ultimately a niche feature for TV users when consoles don't support it for gaming and the only benefit for media viewing would be e.g frame smoothing mainly useful for sports watching.165Hz is probably just an overclock from what is a native 120Hz panel. I don't think we will see 240Hz panels until HDMI 2.2 starts rolling out so maybe in 2028 at the earliest. The big issue I have with tandem monitors (all OLED monitors actually) is that because of heat and burn in concerns, the brightness will always be reduced quite a bit compared to larger TVs. That tandem 32" monitor will not deliver HDR anywhere near the 48" C6 for sure.
My thinking is that they just don't want to spend money to upgrade the controller to something capable of handling 240 Hz. It's ultimately a niche feature for TV users when consoles don't support it for gaming and the only benefit for media viewing would be e.g frame smoothing mainly useful for sports watching.
Which sucks donkey balls because I would love it for desktop use and PC gaming. I wish these companies would bring back the "large format gaming screen" concept because I would rather have a very high quality display with the image quality features of these TVs, but without the smart TV crap that makes using them a pain in the ass.
Whenever they update their chip to support hdmi 2.2 will be probably when 240hz 4k is added. Probably with a better black frame insertion mode included.
What’ll take longer to arrive is a gsync pulsar styled feature (maybe even just pulsar). And they could also introduce the technology to things like sports mode etc to have less motion blur. (The main reason I’m tempted to grab a UST DLP projector and acr screen for the living room when the current tv dies since dlp is king for motion blur.)
"the most important test for me on these OLED's is uniformity (gray/near black to black). as per usual, uniformity is all over the place with these panels. the C6H scored a 6.8 which is a dissapointment. the C6 was a lil better at 7.5, but still. i want my uniformity at 8.5 or better. after all these years it's still a panel lottery. curious how the G6 scores. so far it looks like I'll be using my G4 for at least another year.".
I’m not really in the market for one unless they had a sale price I couldn’t refuse. I’m trying for force myself to wait for updated panel technology, DV2, 4K 240hz and hdmi 2.2.Not trying to burst your bubble, but make sure you do your homework so you know the pros/cons. A few things might be fixable with fw updates, but some are probably intrinsic to the tvs.
| Peak Brightness (10% Window) | ~2,471 nits |
| Full-Screen Brightness (100% Window) | ~432–455 nits |
| Refresh Rate | Up to 165Hz (PC) / 120Hz (Console) |
I’m not really in the market for one unless they had a sale price I couldn’t refuse. I’m trying for force myself to wait for updated panel technology, DV2, 4K 240hz and hdmi 2.2.
Are you sure the 48" would be released in the usa? Some manufacturers/product lines only release those outside of the usa. (I realize not everyone on [H] is in the usa, just saying).
They also seem to be having uniformity issues in the newer panels and dirty near blacks, etc. if you follow the avsforum threads, which include pictures showing it.
Recent quote:
"the most important test for me on these OLED's is uniformity (gray/near black to black). as per usual, uniformity is all over the place with these panels. the C6H scored a 6.8 which is a dissapointment. the C6 was a lil better at 7.5, but still. i want my uniformity at 8.5 or better. after all these years it's still a panel lottery. curious how the G6 scores. so far it looks like I'll be using my G4 for at least another year."
Some comment about dark vertical bars.
G6 mentions of "chrominance overshoot and overbrightened eotf" in gaming forced tonemapping and HGIG issues.
I think the DV in the G5 was "broken", too.
Plus, for up close PC use within 5' or 3' , you may see noticeable horizontal dithering lines on the G5 and G6, which appear to move. (That would be a deal breaker to me for that usage scenario).
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Not trying to burst your bubble, but make sure you do your homework so you know the pros/cons. A few things might be fixable with fw updates, but some are probably intrinsic to the tvs.
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/20...o-c6h-w6-b6-evo-no-price-talk-please.3331728/
/lg-2025-g5-series-oled-owners-friends-thread-general-help-setting
https://www.avsforum.com/threads/lg-2025-g5-c5-b5-dedicated-gaming-thread.3327519/
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I don't think that I suggested that it wasn't? I only asked if the 48 inch would be released in the usa, not what panel type it was.The 48 inch C6 has a tandem panel. The spectral power distribution graph proves it. I'm not a huge fan of the displayguy, but he has no reason to lie about this.
I don't think that I suggested that it wasn't? I only asked if the 48 inch would be released in the usa, not what panel type it was.
I mentioned some pq issues in the G5 and G6 in general. I don't believe any of those quotes mentioned sizes. I also recommended reading the ongoing dialogues about the G5 and G6 issues on AVS forum, and pointed out how the potential of diagonal dithering lines being visible may make these model lines a poor choice for near pc use at 3.5 feet or less viewing distance in the first place.
Thanks for the link. Will see how it goes. If a large format like 45 inch 5120x2160 800R glossy comes out with gaming tv PQ, (or something similar) before then, I'd probably get that rather than wait on gen1 qdel.As with any tech, there is always something better to wait for. QDEL displays are aiming for a 2029 launch so if you wanted to get something in 2027-2028 now you would think why not just wait another year or two for QDEL instead.
https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/nanosys-says-qdel-t-vs-will-become-a-reality-by-2029
Gotcha. Will have to see if the tandem in the 48 has the same cons/issues as the G5 or G6 (outside of the potential for seeing dithering lines when viewed near). It wouldn't suprise me but will have to see when people get their hands on them.I'm saying you don't need a G6 to get a tandem panel anymore and tandem panel was one of the big selling points for G series. As for PQ issues I don't know that seems to be subjective as to how bad it is.
Thanks for the link. Will see how it goes. If a large format like 45 inch 5120x2160 800R glossy comes out with gaming tv PQ, (or something similar) before then, I'd probably get that rather than wait on gen1 qdel.
There is no way monitors will ever match TV's when it comes to PQ. Density/heat problems and the need to mitigate burn in will mean monitors will always have greatly reduced brightness over TVs. Best it can do is probably match the C series from 10 years ago with a 10% window brightness of around 700-800 nits. The current tandem WOLED panel and 5 stack penta QD OLED are barely any improvement over last gen stuff so I don't see too much future improvement in this area. Probably a QDEL monitor would solve all these issues. Also, Samsung claimed to have made a breakthrough in their emmisive nano rod tech so that's another OLED successor coming in the future, no idea what it will be called though since LG yoinked the QNED name from them.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php?subaction=showfull&id=1773392979
Seems like the time to upgrade your OLEDs is now, otherwise if you wait another year or two then you'd be better off just waiting a little bit longer for QDEL/Samsung self emissive nano rod instead.
The 45 inch 21:9 was in tv territory size/density wise, I just felt they released a poor hdr pq with their lift and overall look.
I may get a 55" q90f if I can score one under a grand and then hope a better large format screen (especially curved , and glossy, and at 800r preferably) gets made in the next few years - even if its at "oled gaming tv from a few years before it" levels.
I'll look into the c6 though. The 48 one would have a better price bracket compared to the ~ $1k s90f, but idk if that will be released in the usa? Plus the potential of visible dithering may make that dead in the water for me.