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This is an end consumer thought.Making you buy a Xeon for a stability feature is brain-damaged.
It could be debated that giving away something you can clearly sell is actually brain-damaged.
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This is an end consumer thought.Making you buy a Xeon for a stability feature is brain-damaged.
They do, actually. From a technical perspective, the circuitry has been there for a long time on -S/DT skus, but was often fused off or only available for certain low-end chips when installed in C-series chipset boards. The Xeon E3's (and later Xeon E's) were the same silicon and supported ECC. Presently, any 12th/13th gen supports ECC on a W680 board. It's more a manner of circuitry and BIOS than the CPU alone. Almost all AMD consumer CPUs have had ECC available, even if not officially supported, but it was a question of whether the boards were built with the extra bits necessary to enable it (and proving it is working is a whole other issue unto itself). Asrock even managed to make RDIMMs work with Core-X's on x299 hitting 2TB of memory, and then OC'd them.Intel's desktop chips should support ECC. Making you buy a Xeon for a stability feature is brain-damaged.
All I really want is extra lanes for a 10+Gb NIC and lots more NVMe drives. Maybe a RAID controller, so the board should have 2+ 8x slots in addition to the 16X for the vid card. AMD & Intel could make me happy with a better top end desktop chipset. 1 16X slot for a vid card, the rest go to the "workstation" chipset, and the chipset has like 64 lanes or something. Yes it's a performance hit going through the chipset instead of straight to the CPU, but it's not that bad and I'll take it if I can use a desktop chip with a $600 board instead of having to buy a Xeon or EPYC setup.
If gigabyte makes another aorus xtreme for it that would be nice, I love mine but I never did end up building a rig with it lol just have it sitting in the case.That will also depend on motherboards we get (enthusiast or just basic workstation boards), cooler support (other than basic ones), etc. Is it all like the Threadripper Pros, where you get workstation boards and nothing else, or something like the Dominus Extreme where you get a consumer focused board that handles a Xeon-W chip?
LOL at that VRM and being called "HEDT"
The author isn't claiming it's an enthusiast board. The BMC (VGA, still??) and shitty audio scream workstation segment.LOL at that VRM and being called "HEDT"
It’s a BMC; VGA is still the most common on those. No integrated video in the CPU, that’s either a one G200 or Rage video card with 8M of VRAM.The author isn't claiming it's an enthusiast board. The BMC (VGA, still??) and shitty audio scream workstation segment.
That said, while the VRMs may not be what we like to see on an OC board, they will still push 350W into a 3495X all day long, which is what I'm doing with my 10980 and all the OC board engineering to go with it.
To be sure, but it's 2023. The AST2600 supports DP.It’s a BMC; VGA is still the most common on those. No integrated video in the CPU, that’s either a one G200 or Rage video card with 8M of VRAM.
A lot of these end up in DC spaces - I haven't had an HDMI monitor, never mind DP, in a DC yet - and I've been doing that dance for 15 years. If I'm manually hooking into the BMC, something's either gone VERY wrong, or I'm doing the very first initial setup to the point of configuring the BMC IP. Once that's done, that port isn't touched unless "it's all broken" - and 99.9% of the systems in that room will only have VGA, so...To be sure, but it's 2023. The AST2600 supports DP.
It's time to move on, people!
You have never had access to a proper datacenter, when saying stuff like that.To be sure, but it's 2023. The AST2600 supports DP.
It's time to move on, people!
To be sure, but it's 2023. The AST2600 supports DP.
It's time to move on, people!
It's been a long, long time (as in VGA was also current for home computers).You have never had access to a proper datacenter, when saying stuff like that.
As long as VGA does the job IMPI/ILO/iDrac requires the console table will not change.
If it is not broken, do not "fix" it.
A datacenter aims for stability, stabilty and stability, not "features".
K.I.S.S also lays a part.It's been a long, long time (as in VGA was also current for home computers).
I'll admit I'm on the wrong side of this, but it's still a bit surprising that it's such a non-issue after 35 years of use. Certainly everything could be locally accessed from a single RJ45 or USB port to a handheld terminal, but I suppose the pennies it costs to implement as-is is low enough.
Drivers on the USB ones are ... tricky, and the connectors are finicky as hell. I've got one of those, and there's lots of fiddling to make it work sometimes. A crash cart works, every time, even if the cable is dinged up (colors wonky? it's TEXT!) and the screens are $50-100 max, since they're just designed for the basics. It's all about "super reliable, super simple, super cheap" - and VGA is that. Old school all the way, but GUARANTEED there's a pile of the damned things in a corner somewhere - and a few dozen spare cables just in case. Idiot proof, basically. Drop it by accident? Meh, petty cash covers the replacement.It's been a long, long time (as in VGA was also current for home computers).
I'll admit I'm on the wrong side of this, but it's still a bit surprising that it's such a non-issue after 35 years of use. Certainly everything could be locally accessed from a single RJ45 or USB port to a handheld terminal, but I suppose the pennies it costs to implement as-is is low enough.
Xeon is not for games, but for multithreaded work loads, that should come as no surprise?The obvious issue is still across all those processors, not a single one boosts higher than 5Ghz
Most (if not all) of the VRMs on modern "enthusiast" boards are hilariously overspec'd because consumers just fall for marketing and pay more.LOL at that VRM and being called "HEDT"
pretty sure HBM is going to be Sapphire Rapids-SPI know nothing about this, but I am curious to see how it will look to run in no DDR mode, workload that ran purely ont he 64gb of HBM2e memory, I could see why people would pay big price tag for something like that.
I know nothing about this, but I am curious to see how it will look to run in no DDR mode, workload that ran purely ont he 64gb of HBM2e memory, I could see why people would pay big price tag for something like that.
This is accurate. It will be VERY expensive - it's designed for enterprise workloads.pretty sure HBM is going to be Sapphire Rapids-SP
You braggart, you! Will they let you bench your systems at work?This is accurate. It will be VERY expensive - it's designed for enterprise workloads.
that being said - me too! Would be hilarious to play with if you can
AFAIK it's installed in bios, so you're good to go if someone paid for it. And yes, if I acquire one I can play with it and post numbers - generally I get slightly older kit (my main CPUs are 8280L for the servers).You braggart, you! Will they let you bench your systems at work?
Looks like ~$3000 premium for the HBM, though the IoD costs are also a part of that. Don't recall it actually costing remotely that much, but that was pre-2020.
As a "down the line" kind of guy of the server stuff, I'm curious if a company buys a permanent license for special CPU features if that gets baked into the CPU or remains in software or the motherboard.
wonder what waterblocks will work on them
The options at the moment are:wonder what waterblocks will work on them
The TR Pros are still unlocked, though OC boards are not exactly common (Asus Sage for one) and definitely pricey. But I'm not sure if AMD is entirely to blame for that beyond pricing the chips well beyond a pill that most in the OC community was willing to swallow compared to the TR3ks.If AMD does not provide their best Epic chips unlocked, I may go Intel for my next workstation!
Any time I see a company hold back their best chips behind locked multipliers I take it as a lack of effort.
I still have a strong suspicion that the lack of HEDT was due to Intel not having competition, and all the chip shortages for AMD - sell the highest margin you can (the TR Pros).The TR Pros are still unlocked, though OC boards are not exactly common (Asus Sage for one) and definitely pricey. But I'm not sure if AMD is entirely to blame for that beyond pricing the chips well beyond a pill that most in the OC community was willing to swallow compared to the TR3ks.
And of course I'm at a bloody conference during that time...
im sure this thread will be lush with detailsAnd of course I'm at a bloody conference during that time...
Agreed. Some leaked hints around a SAGE board too. But that’s about it.At this point, I think the only details we're missing are availability dates, prices and the boards. Rather surprised at the general lack of board leaks, IMO. Just the one from Supermicro.
Stupid expensive.Were 3 days out now. Anyone have projections/predictions on pricing?