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So you didn't read the review?
And you don't understand that 'playable' is subjective?
What do you know about frame delivery?
The challenge with a 'minimum FPS' number is that it doesn't necessarily show that frames are being uniformly delivered at <33ms, which would be necessary to make the 'solid 30+ FPS' claim. Further, depending on the game and the user, 30FPS may very well simply be too slow.
On balance, I don't disagree with your implied point; I've gotten along at 30FPS quite well myself at times. But that's me, not Brent_Justice .
Damn shame the guys that produce the content are so unreachable.I fully understand these are subjective things, but when the graphs clearly show that most of the time the games run at above 30 fps I would still call that well within "playable" as 30 fps doesn't exactly stutter or drop inputs etc. I would rather see reviews objectively stating that the game runs at a mere 30 fps rather than call it "unplayable". The review does not state why they considered it unplayable at all.
Thanks for the suggestion.My question is why there was not a 1070ti used instead of a 1700. If you are using a 1800ti why not use its little brother.
I looked and compared same games used in the ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1070 Ti GAMING Advanced Edition article https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/12/05/asus_rog_strix_gtx_1070_ti_gaming_advanced_edition/
and it seemed like the 1070ti was on the same level, not better but in the same range as 2070. I mean no one is buying a 1070. Of the 10 series it seems 1070ti, 1080 and 1080ti are the only pieces worth mentioning.
Enjoy visiting this website everyday since 2001. I feel like a kid waiting for ice cream while it loading.
This is [H]. 30fps ain't [H]ard. At that point you are better off getting a PS4 Pro or XB1X for your money. Not a joke, I'm being serious.the games run at above 30 fps I would still call that well within "playable"
In all seriousness, there are some games that are playable at 30, but most are certainly not. We aim for the 60fps mark generally with great IQ settings. If you want to turn your IQ way down and get 100+, it does not require high end hardware, just gotta give up the eye candy.This is [H]. 30fps ain't [H]ard. At that point you are better off getting a PS4 Pro or XB1X for your money. Not a joke, I'm being serious.
Yeah, I actually love old games, even revisiting ones I've played before. It's nice running them at max settings and getting enough performance to do 4K or Surround at high refresh.With my game backlog HUGE, I have no issues playing games I've missed out on with my (quickly aging) gpus. When I catch up to 2016/2017/2018 games in 2020 or 2021 or whatever, I'll buy my GTX 2070/2080 for $250...
This is [H]. 30fps ain't [H]ard. At that point you are better off getting a PS4 Pro or XB1X for your money. Not a joke, I'm being serious.
It is almost like the 20 series cards were moved up the product stack vs the 10 series in price and performance. Ex the 2080 ti is like the Titan at $1200 and the performance, the 2080 is like the 1080 ti, etc. We have not heard anything about a Titan card yet, and if you continue down the product stack, it looks like the 2060 would slot in at $450.
It is almost like the 20 series cards were moved up the product stack vs the 10 series in price and performance. Ex the 2080 ti is like the Titan at $1200 and the performance, the 2080 is like the 1080 ti, etc. We have not heard anything about a Titan card yet, and if you continue down the product stack, it looks like the 2060 would slot in at $450.
... We have not heard anything about a Titan card yet....
The Titan V has Tensor cores, it is on Volta but it is basically the 'Titan' match for the Turing cards.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/
Titan V
21.1 billion transistors
5120 cuda cores, 1200Mhz base clock, 1455 boost
640 Tensor cores (Raytracing, DLSS)
12Gb HBM2
652.8 Gb/s memory bandwidth
$2999
RTX 2080 Ti
18.6 billion transistors
4352 cuda cores, 1350Mhz base clock, 1635Mhz boost
544 Tensor cores
11Gb GDDR6
616 Gb/s memory bandwidth
$1199
RT cores are different than tensor cores. The 2080ti has 72 RT cores.
The Titan V also has a larger die.
The RTX 8000 is actually what I would expect from a Titan (minus some ram).
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Tensor is tensor cores, Nvidia driver enabled RTX features for Volta https://www.game-debate.com/news/24...-real-time-ray-tracing-support-for-volta-gpus
Tensor is tensor cores, Nvidia driver enabled RTX features for Volta https://www.game-debate.com/news/24...-real-time-ray-tracing-support-for-volta-gpus
DICE was using quad Titan Vs and running RT in the teens before they got the 2080tis. A single 2080ti was destroying 4x Titan Vs.
Will be interesting to see when they actually release a game with the features.
RTX is more than ray-tracing. DLSS uses the Tensor cores and is part of RTX.
Enabling RTX on a GPU that lacks RT cores means that said GPU will not be doing RT in hardware.
Yet unless It has been mentioned somewhere for sure, you cant do Ray Tracing and DLSS which makes me think they are using the same part of the chip.
Tom Petersen stated during and interview with PCPer that RT+DLSS is possible on the RTX.Yet unless It has been mentioned somewhere for sure, you cant do Ray Tracing and DLSS which makes me think they are using the same part of the chip.
Tom Petersen stated during and interview with PCPer that RT+DLSS is possible on the RTX.
At the same time cause I haven't found anything concrete on that, which makes me think it's the Tensor cores do both.
Tensor cores do the ass end (denoising) of ray tracing and all of DLSS.
We now have a good view of apples to apples value in current generation gaming. What we don't know is what Tensor is going to do with future titles. I smell the 2070 losing performance once you start trying to push these new features. ETC
RT cores are different than tensor cores. The 2080ti has 72 RT cores.
The Titan V also has a larger die.
The RTX 8000 is actually what I would expect from a Titan (minus some ram).
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Thanks for the review. Have a Strix 1080, and was a little leary about this release for once. I was hearing Volta for so long and then all of a sudden RTX. This looks like a padded stopgap for whatever is next. By the time Ray Tracing is available regularly in games, the next gen will be out. I don't follow as close as some of you, but I thought Volta was the next jump up, this Turing seemed to come from out of nowhere. Gonna pass this gen.