RTX 2070 vs RTX 2080 vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 1070 @ [H]

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  1. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    RTX 2070 vs RTX 2080 vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 1070

    We took our world exclusive non-NDA RTX 2070 review and compared that card directly to the GTX 1080 Ti and GTX 1070 cards, both overclocked. Thrown into the mix is the RTX 2080. Our real world gameplay will fully expose the landscape of rasterized gaming and what you should be considering purchasing, if anything for your gaming needs.

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    Trimlock [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Great article Brent/Kyle, the mixed bag of performance with the 2070/2080 kind of highlights how unnecessary the two being released together was. Another thing is the 8gb of memory, we know that rasterizing was taking up a lot of memory, does RT do the same? will the smaller memory pools hurt the 2070 and 2080 when RT is finally in-game supported?





    So true, but unlike those upside down features of the past this one has a promising future for us at least. I'm not buying until the proof is in the pudding, until then my 1080 is good enough for now.

    Great article Brent/Kyle, the mixed bag of performance with the 2070/2080 kind of highlights how unnecessary the two being released together was. Another thing is the 8gb of memory, we know that rasterizing was taking up a lot of memory, does RT do the same? will the smaller memory pools hurt the 2070 and 2080 when RT is finally in-game supported?
     
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  3. CrimsonKnight13

    CrimsonKnight13 Lord Stabington of [H]ard|Fortress

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    Trimlock I think Brent wrote that.

    Excellent article. Nice seeing that the 1080 Ti is a powerful contender against the 2080.
     
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    Great Article! These comparisons are exactly what we have been looking for. Thanks for listening to your readers and doing this.

    I am feeling really good about my recent purchase. Last month I picked up an MSI Gaming X 1080ti off Ebay for $550 (included delivery and no tax). After a month of usage I can confirm that this card is running flawlessly. I even went ahead and picked up a 43 inch 4k monitor. I am currently doing a replay of ME Andromeda and am really enjoying the experience.
     
  5. lostin3d

    lostin3d [H]ard|Gawd

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    Thanks for the [H]ard work!

    This really has been a confusing batch of releases. I think the last time I felt this confused was the 2xx series vs the 8xxx/9xxx cards. I remember back then, before I did much online ordering or reading, holding a GTX260 box and trying to compare it to a GT9800 or some such. Totally confused that even the types of specs listed didn't match. With this gen it's not that bad but the hype heavily overshadows real world comparisons. Thanks to you guys we have some real numbers to chew on. The 2070 is the closest thing that looks appealing for those on a budget but that also depends on price/availability of a 1080TI.
     
  6. sirmonkey1985

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    one can only hope this causes 1070/ti prices to plummet..
     
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    did someone say pie :p
     
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    I would also be interested in seeing a power draw comparison and see if the newer 2070 pulls less power then the 1080 while having better performance.

    Keep up the good work!!

    (y)
     
  9. TechCat

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    Wow so if you take a 1080 and add GDDR6 label it a 2070 it will be faster who knew?
     
  10. Dayaks

    Dayaks [H]ardness Supreme

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    That’s not accurate in the least. It’s the furthest from a rebadge we’ve had in recent times.

    Great review. Personally I like to see OC vs x for all cards. One of my favorite reviews I used to quote was the 290x vs 780ti OC vs OC.
     
  11. tunatime

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    Is it just me or does it seem like all the rtx cards moved down a stack vs the 10x cards? If i remember right a 1070 was colse to a 980ti...

    I think the 2k line have way to much emphasis on the rtx part of the cards and are $$$ over priced for what you get. Please let amd somehow come out with and amzamaz card.
     
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    to the average consumer i definitely see people believing that if all they do is look at charts/graphs but the reality is they're quite different from each other.

    agree, even now i still can't figure out why they thought it was a good idea releasing the top end card as the 2080ti instead of a 2080 and making the 2080 a 2070 and the 2070 a 2060. just doing that alone all of a sudden makes the 2k series look amazing. then you have the 2050 as the non RTX card. the only thing i can think of why they did is that they have no intention of releasing a refresh of turing and what they released(besides the 2060 when ever that happens) is all there is going to be for this architecture.
     
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  13. kasakka

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    I feel it's a bit much to say that the GTX 1070 does not allow a playable experience at 4K when in many games tested it runs at a solid 30+ fps. That's perfectly playable! Sure, 60+ fps is better but this "ugh, it's 59 fps make it go away" mentality is just bullshit. Most games run perfectly fine with it at 1440p too so I don't see that upgrading to 2070 is necessarily a good move.
     
  14. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    nVidia's Bulldozer...

    Maybe in a few generations they'll have something of worth, their own RayZen and TraceRipper.

    As it sits right now, there is zero justification for their price tags. The mining craze is over, and nVidia is just going to have to accept that fact, instead of flying on their own brand of hopes and wishes.

    Thank you very much for the comparison article, [H]! Your hard work is always appreciated.
     
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    You're right, if each card had a moniker that was one "step" lower, we would probably feel a lot better about the performance of each unit. But the pricing is what forced the naming scheme, I think. If we think the pricing backlash is bad right now, can you imagine it if the price was US$1200 for a 2080?

    They were forced into the current naming scheme when they chose to fist the world with the current pricing scheme lol
     
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    Excellent article Brent & Kyle.
    This confirms to me that used 1080ti is best route for 4K gaming today ($525 shipped).
    Am thinking that 7nm release later next year will be much easier on the wallet when AMD has something to keep Nvidia pricing in check.
     
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    lookin like the 1080t was a good buy, esp. at launch as prices were much lower then towards the end of cycle for the 1080ti. and it dont really suffer in any games at 1440p so far. so not much reason to upgrade for me the least, even if i could afford a 2080ti atm. hopefully prices will drop instead of increase over some time.
     
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    Not a really good analogy; the hardware is great, the price is just stupid. If that had been AMDs problem (if only it had), things would probably be quite different in the CPU space right now.
     
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    Hypothetically: in three months there are plenty of listings for a 2070 Gaming Z on FS/FT priced 15% less than the MSI 1080 Ti Gaming X Trio.

    The 2070 is quieter, right?
     
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    I wish you guys would do a performance/price comparison that compares the launch prices of new cards, how much they cost versus the previous gen at launch, and whether the cost increase is inline with previous generations.

    i.e. - Suppose the 10 series is a 30% increase if performance over the 9 series with a 15% increase in cost, how does the 20 series compare to the 10 series?
     
  21. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    The GeForce RTX 2080 Ti is Too Damn High!
     
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  22. Donald Bell

    Donald Bell Limp Gawd

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    That chart is good,but there is no performance comparison, just Gen price vs Gen price at that tier. You already have the data from these: https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/07/25/nvidia_gpu_generational_performance_part_1 just add the 20 series to the mix and compare price/performance relative to the previous gen.

    An example would be the GTX480, GTX580, GTX680 @ $500 MSRP three generations in a row. Two years after the GTX480 came out, you can pay the same money for the GTX680, which was like 25-40% faster than the GTX480.

    Let's say the 2080Ti FE is 50% faster than the 1080Ti FE, we know it costs 72% more.

    Looking at two years, the 2080Ti is about 100% faster than the 1080 FE, but still costs the same 72% more than the original MSRP of the 1080FE. Then replace the 2080Ti with the vanilla 2080 and see how it compares. Does this show that Nvidia re-arranged their tiers? Is the 2080Ti really the same tier card as previous Ti cards or is it just a Titan without the name?
     
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  23. FrgMstr

    FrgMstr Just Plain Mean Staff Member

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    I really thought that is what we just did in these last two reviews.

    https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/22/rtx_2070_vs_2080_gtx_1080_ti_1070/

    https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018/10/14/msi_geforce_rtx_2070_gaming_z_performance_review/
     
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  24. happymedium

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    So if I buy the Evga rtx2070 for 499$ , its a excellent buy correct?
    Only $50 more vs the original gtx 1070 msrp and 40% more performance.
     
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    Ouch baby! I don't think Nvidia will be very happy with the conclusion. LMAO!
     
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    demondrops Limp Gawd

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    thank god hardOCP is unbiased, and i like the touch where they denied the NDA from nvidia. i dont see alot of it, that one of the reasons i come here for reviews and update! the most popular site in norway tek.no they, i felt esp. at gtx 1080 launch there was an insane amount of hype for a card that barely made a dent into 980ti :p that hype i think 1080ti deserved, they were alot more conservative then lol. i even got the 1080 at the time, i ran some test and some light OC and i was like, what the actual fuck, sent it back immediately. and waited for the ti, now that card was absolultely great!
     
  27. DejaWiz

    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    When Bulldozer FX-8150 first released, it was more expensive than the i7-2600K.
     
  28. Dayaks

    Dayaks [H]ardness Supreme

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    I would personally go for a 2070 over a 1070 or 1080 at the $499 price. [H] did give the 2070 a gold.

    If DLSS or Ray Tracing pan out in any form you'd get to play with those as a bonus. DLSS may give an extra +50% performance but we have yet to see a good evaluation on a real game.... since no game can use it yet.
     
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    DejaWiz Oracle of Unfortunate Truths

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    1070FE and 1070Ti have an MSRP of $450...the 1070 non-FE was originally (supposed to be) $380...but the AIBs were the only ones making them, thus at liberty to price however they wanted.
     
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    The winner of price/performance looks to me to be the 2070.

    Nice review guys.

    If you can combine all the GPU Generational charts into 1 (amd results + nvidia, only a few small reworks to ensure all the numbers were tested at the same settings), that'd be sweet :)
     
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    Great review which confirms that the 2070 is the card to go for if the price is right. It might be my next card to replace my "aging" 1070 card when/if prices become more realistic.
     
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    So is this proof that we are being punished for the overstock of 10 series GPUs?

    For those that want the latest and greatest, be prepared for unreasonable prices.

    Want performance for dollar, buy last gen.

    Unfortunately I want both. Sigh!
     
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    That and the cryptocurrency crash.

    If you're not one to want the best/latest - stroll the used 10 series market. Best time to buy was when RTX was announced...used prices have trended up since. I got $850 for my 1080 Ti.
     
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    Anything under 4k I'd take 1080ti in a heartbeat. Once you get to 4k, if you factor in the potential with rtx features, it starts to get foggy.

    This is what really happened. The retail market set the price for videocards, and Nvidia wanted to absorb that profit. Instead of letting the market decide the price of current gen cards, they wanted to establish the last gen crypto prices as their msrp, and it's going to hurt them. Why buy a 2xxx series when a 1080 and 1080ti already give you all the performance you could need?
     
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    About a month ago EVGA was selling B stock 1080s for $299,sure it was B stock but EVGA gives them a 1yr warranty. I have a hunch you'll see some new 1080s for $350 during blackfriday. 2070 doesn't seem worth the extra $$ when you could buy a 1080 overclock it and match the performance.
     
  36. IdiotInCharge

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    So you didn't read the review?

    And you don't understand that 'playable' is subjective?

    What do you know about frame delivery?

    The challenge with a 'minimum FPS' number is that it doesn't necessarily show that frames are being uniformly delivered at <33ms, which would be necessary to make the 'solid 30+ FPS' claim. Further, depending on the game and the user, 30FPS may very well simply be too slow.

    On balance, I don't disagree with your implied point; I've gotten along at 30FPS quite well myself at times. But that's me, not Brent_Justice ;).
     
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    Anything under 60 is not really playable for me; 30 FPS is what I QA a lot at work (video engineer) and I definitely don't like my games at that rate.

    144 Hz gaming is the goal for some for a reason.
     
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    Get a good ol' crt and 60 is smooth as glass :)
     
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    THE BLINKING IT BURNS

    [seriously]
     
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    At 200$ cheaper, that 2070 would be properly priced and a solid buy. In land without the used 1080ti it could be king.
     
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