RTX 2070 vs RTX 2080 vs GTX 1080 Ti vs GTX 1070 @ [H]

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  1. Dayaks

    Dayaks [H]ardness Supreme

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    You are saying the 2070 should be $299? I mean, that’d be awesome, but realize it’s about the same size die as the 1080ti that launched at $699 and transistor cost hasn’t really changed. nVidia may very well have screwed themselves if they don’t give DLSS and ray tracing value before AMD’s next launch.
     
  2. Nimisys

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    399$. Thats where it ought to be priced.
     
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    I just got a gtx 2080 msi Seahawk X, and it boosted to 2130 before hitting power limit according to gpu-z. It was insane performance at that level at 144/1440p. And it never got over 56 with the AIO water cooler, and it's dead silent. Highly recommend it over most other 2080s out there.
     
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  4. cybereality

    cybereality [H]ardness Supreme

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    Honestly, the 2070 looks kind of nice seeing the review.

    It's at least the performance jump from the 1070 people wanted, and the price isn't totally crazy given the current market (meaning versus the cost of a 1080 Ti).

    Granted, Nvidia could have priced it better, but that is what it is.
     
  5. kasakka

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    I fully understand these are subjective things, but when the graphs clearly show that most of the time the games run at above 30 fps I would still call that well within "playable" as 30 fps doesn't exactly stutter or drop inputs etc. I would rather see reviews objectively stating that the game runs at a mere 30 fps rather than call it "unplayable". The review does not state why they considered it unplayable at all.

    Based on the results I would say the 980 Ti and 1070 are still good buys on the used market if you want to play at 1080p or 1440p compared to spending a lot more on a 2070.
     
  6. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett Director of Enthusiast Engagement at Intel Staff Member

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    Damn shame the guys that produce the content are so unreachable.
     
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    srsly
     
  8. /dev/null

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    I know my 1070s are aging for 1440p, but I'm doing ok without a 2xxx series. Even though SLI isn't "supported" the best, I've found it worked well on quite a few (older) games I want to play. Currently playing through Metro 2033 Redux, then LL Redux, and then probably Shadow of War or perhaps Tomb Raider (2013). No regrets buying them "returned" (With full factory warranty) for $250-$275 ea in Q1 2017.

    When this is no longer enough, I've just picked up a GTX 1080 for $260 or so (currently in my Linux box) for 1080p play. I think I"m set for a while...

    With my game backlog HUGE, I have no issues playing games I've missed out on with my (quickly aging) gpus. When I catch up to 2016/2017/2018 games in 2020 or 2021 or whatever, I'll buy my GTX 2070/2080 for $250...
     
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    Thanks for the article. I think we got the jump we expected, not the one we wanted.
     
  10. Ruder EMB

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    My question is why there was not a 1070ti used instead of a 1700. If you are using a 1800ti why not use its little brother.
    I looked and compared same games used in the ASUS ROG STRIX GTX 1070 Ti GAMING Advanced Edition article https://www.hardocp.com/article/2017/12/05/asus_rog_strix_gtx_1070_ti_gaming_advanced_edition/
    and it seemed like the 1070ti was on the same level, not better but in the same range as 2070. I mean no one is buying a 1070. Of the 10 series it seems 1070ti, 1080 and 1080ti are the only pieces worth mentioning.




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  11. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett Director of Enthusiast Engagement at Intel Staff Member

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    Thanks for the suggestion.
     
  12. cybereality

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    This is [H]. 30fps ain't [H]ard. At that point you are better off getting a PS4 Pro or XB1X for your money. Not a joke, I'm being serious.
     
  13. Kyle_Bennett

    Kyle_Bennett Director of Enthusiast Engagement at Intel Staff Member

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    In all seriousness, there are some games that are playable at 30, but most are certainly not. We aim for the 60fps mark generally with great IQ settings. If you want to turn your IQ way down and get 100+, it does not require high end hardware, just gotta give up the eye candy.
     
  14. cybereality

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    Yeah, I actually love old games, even revisiting ones I've played before. It's nice running them at max settings and getting enough performance to do 4K or Surround at high refresh.

    I recently went back to play the F.E.A.R. series and it holds up well. In some ways the graphics were a bit dated, but the gameplay was as good or better than stuff today.
     
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    Yeah, I hear that. Honestly, after playing at high refresh for a while (and doing 4K60 for a bit, now back on the high refresh rig) even 60fps can feel a little choppy. I think around 90fps is the sweet spot, but getting up to 144Hz feels so smooth.
     
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    I have a PS4 Pro. That doesn't mean I don't also play on PC at higher resolutions and framerates.
     
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    Why do you suggest getting 2070 over 1080Ti at the same price point when 1080Ti is 10-20% faster which is huge?
     
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    I picked up a 1080Ti for $679 shipped about a month ago. Don't have any regrets for that purchase now.

    Also looks like I will be holding onto my Titan X Pascal (2016 version) for another year or so.

    2000 series is the first time I'll be skipping a generation in a while. Pretty underwhelming, NVIDIA.
     
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    It is almost like the 20 series cards were moved up the product stack vs the 10 series in price and performance. Ex the 2080 ti is like the Titan at $1200 and the performance, the 2080 is like the 1080 ti, etc. We have not heard anything about a Titan card yet, and if you continue down the product stack, it looks like the 2060 would slot in at $450.
     
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    at this point i think they'd be better off just not releasing a 2060 at all.
     
  21. Dayaks

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    2070 is $499 and 2060 will not have RTX features so the die will be maybe half the size and should be significantly cheaper.

    Maybe I should say could be... but it should release around 1060 msrp IMO.
     
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    The Titan V has Tensor cores, it is on Volta but it is basically the 'Titan' match for the Turing cards.


    https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/titan/titan-v/
    Titan V
    21.1 billion transistors
    5120 cuda cores, 1200Mhz base clock, 1455 boost
    640 Tensor cores (Raytracing, DLSS)
    12Gb HBM2
    652.8 Gb/s memory bandwidth
    $2999

    RTX 2080 Ti
    18.6 billion transistors
    4352 cuda cores, 1350Mhz base clock, 1635Mhz boost
    544 Tensor cores
    11Gb GDDR6
    616 Gb/s memory bandwidth
    $1199
     
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    The 2070 and 2080 are sad in comparison to 1080Ti's price/performance ratio.
     
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    Here are the local brick-and-mortar prices in Vancouver, Canada (all prices in CAD):

    GTX 1080 - starting at $630

    GTX 1080 Ti - was starting at $830, but now has completely disappeared

    RTX 2070 - starting at $770

    RTX 2080 - starting at $1080

    RTX 2080 Ti - backordered / preorder starting at $1600

    Interestingly, the 1080 Ti finally went on sale for a couple of weeks prior to the RTX launch.... And then, once the 2080 was actually available in stock and the 2070 coming, they all vanished.

    I was coming from GTX 980 SLI on 1440p@144Hz, so for a single card replacement I had to get the 1080 Ti at the minimum. Alas, by the time I was ready to make the purchase (shodding my car in a set of Conti DWS 06 before the winter truly arrives was more urgent), the 1080 Ti was nowhere to be found. So, I ended up with an Asus RTX 2080 Dual-fan OC for $1100.

    My alternative was to go with the GTX 1080, but then I would have had to get 2, thus once again SLI-ing.... Along with the pitfalls of running multi-GPU again, that would have cost me... more?
     
  25. Dayaks

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    RT cores are different than tensor cores. The 2080ti has 72 RT cores.

    The Titan V also has a larger die.

    The RTX 8000 is actually what I would expect from a Titan (minus some ram).

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    Will be interesting to see when they actually release a game with the features.
     
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  30. Dayaks

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    Yeah who the hell knows anymore lol.

    I find it interesting they’ve been super quiet about RTX anything....
     
  31. Gideon

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    Yet unless It has been mentioned somewhere for sure, you cant do Ray Tracing and DLSS which makes me think they are using the same part of the chip.
     
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    Ray tracing uses tensor cores to do denoising on the output of the RT cores. Some games support both but I am hesitant to say they can do both at the same time.

    I am 99% sure the Star Wars demo was demoing both RT and DLSS at the same time though.

    But like you said... lets see a real game...
     
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    Tom Petersen stated during and interview with PCPer that RT+DLSS is possible on the RTX.
     
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    At the same time cause I haven't found anything concrete on that, which makes me think it's the Tensor cores do both.
     
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    Tensor cores do the ass end (denoising) of ray tracing and all of DLSS.
     
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    Bigger question becomes if you try to do both do you lose 50% performance. I am looking forward to seeing people get to play with this cause I dont think Nvidia is being totally upfront with how it works.
     
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    Thanks for the review. Have a Strix 1080, and was a little leary about this release for once. I was hearing Volta for so long and then all of a sudden RTX. This looks like a padded stopgap for whatever is next. By the time Ray Tracing is available regularly in games, the next gen will be out. I don't follow as close as some of you, but I thought Volta was the next jump up, this Turing seemed to come from out of nowhere. Gonna pass this gen.
     
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    We now have a good view of apples to apples value in current generation gaming. What we don't know is what Tensor is going to do with future titles. I smell the 2070 losing performance once you start trying to push these new features. ETC
     
  39. Dayaks

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    DLSS would make it faster in traditionally made (rasterized) games, albeit DLSS2X is aimed at IQ. Ray tracing will most likely make it much slower but speed is not the objective at this point.
     
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    Ahh, I think you are right. But I never saw the RT cores in the specs on the 2080Ti..

    Volta was a step from Pascal to Turning.

    Pascal
    Volta = Pascal + Tensor cores
    Turing = Volta + RT cores

    Just a generalization, there were probably other changes as well, updates to cuda cores, etc. Turing uses the new NVlink as well for SLI, a much faster interconnect compared to the old SLI bridges.

    Without games where we can turn on new features, it is still too early to tell. I wouldn't write Turing off just yet.
     
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