10 Reasons Linux Gamers Might Want to Pass On the NVIDIA RTX Series

I won't talk for the average Joe, but for me gaming is easier in windows. No contest there. Just take a look at the thousands of threads discussing game troubleshooting on WINE. Sure windows has issues too, but those issues will also exist under WINE anyway.
Not always, depends on the reason they exist on windows. If it's because of an underlying design detail (like, they way a library is written), then it probably will. But if it's some other reason (bad driver, wrong/old dll, misconfiguration) then it may not exist in wine.
 
I won't talk for the average Joe, but for me gaming is easier in windows. No contest there. Just take a look at the thousands of threads discussing game troubleshooting on WINE. Sure windows has issues too, but those issues will also exist under WINE anyway.

Let me add something here: I had some trouble with Steam on a Ubuntu Solus install- basically, Steam refused to install, without error- and then it did.

Once installed, I had already had the closed-source Nvidia drivers enabled (comes disabled because FOSS purity), I was up and running Shadow of Mordor.

For modern native/ported/emulated games using Steam, gaming on Linux should/could be as easy as install OS --> Install Steam --> Install game(s) ---> profit.
 
Let me add something here: I had some trouble with Steam on a Ubuntu Solus install- basically, Steam refused to install, without error- and then it did.

Once installed, I had already had the closed-source Nvidia drivers enabled (comes disabled because FOSS purity), I was up and running Shadow of Mordor.

For modern native/ported/emulated games using Steam, gaming on Linux should/could be as easy as install OS --> Install Steam --> Install game(s) ---> profit.

Gaming on windows, OS already installed or install it yourself--> Install Steam/origin/Uplay--> install game (s)---> start gaming.
 
I've known people who have chosen Linux as a gaming platform due to OS cost, steam machines, etc...so yeah people do choose it as a gaming platform.
Yeah, that $30 windows license is really prohibitive. When a single game can cost twice that.


I don't know what is the meaning you're trying to convey. I like riddles, but for the sake of conversation it would be better if you spoke plain.
 
Yeah, that $30 windows license is really prohibitive. When a single game can cost twice that.



I don't know what is the meaning you're trying to convey. I like riddles, but for the sake of conversation it would be better if you spoke plain.
Windows license is around $90 for a legit license. Steam has many, MANY free games, and many sales for games under $10.

So yep....in any case if you'd like to be a Windows shill have fun & welcome to my ignore list. That is where I put all of the Windows shills.
 
Windows license is around $90 for a legit license. Steam has many, MANY free games, and many sales for games under $10.

So yep....in any case if you'd like to be a Windows shill have fun & welcome to my ignore list. That is where I put all of the Windows shills.
Let's not get into whether oem licenses are legit or not. Yes technically you're not allowed to resell oem licenses without HW, but in my 20+ years of experience nobody gave a damn retailers and dealers included. Windows activates with it, and it works, you get updates.

But OK, let's say linux is good as a for scraps or indie gaming platform. I'll grant you that. I automatically assumed gaming = AAA gaming, and not picking up sub $10 indie games.


I hate windows 10 as much as the next guy (probably more). But bullshit really grinds my gears, and linux as a serious (AAA) gaming platform is a joke. Yes, there are a few AAA games that were released on it, but it's negligible.
 
Gaming on windows, OS already installed or install it yourself--> Install Steam/origin/Uplay--> install game (s)---> start gaming.

I know, I know- just pointing out that install difficulty is trending toward parity in complication.
 
I don't know what is the meaning you're trying to convey. I like riddles, but for the sake of conversation it would be better if you spoke plain.


I thought it was fairly obvious, trying to imply someone isn’t a “real gamer” if they use Linux?

Can’t get a better definition of gatekeeping than that.
 
I thought it was fairly obvious, trying to imply someone isn’t a “real gamer” if they use Linux?

Passing your impressions of posts and exceptions to them as universal and making the accusation of gatekeeping is an even better definition of gatekeeping.

No need to stoop to personal sniping.
 
Passing your impressions of posts and exceptions to them as universal and making the accusation of gatekeeping is an even better definition of gatekeeping.

No need to stoop to personal sniping.


Wtf are you talking about?

He basically accused anyone that chooses to game on Linux as being a fanatic, that isn’t the least bit personal?

Pointing out gatekeeping is gatekeeping? What the fuck ever.
 
Yes, you have an opinion and you took something personally. Move on.

Gosh, seems like you took something personally also. Almost like this is the internet or something.

I’ve taken your generous advice under consideration and chosen to ignore it, good day sir! :rolleyes:
 
Wtf are you talking about?

He basically accused anyone that chooses to game on Linux as being a fanatic, that isn’t the least bit personal?

Pointing out gatekeeping is gatekeeping? What the fuck ever.

I didn't aim it at you specifically. But if you take it personally that means you yourself feel it applies to you.

It is very simple. It is more important to you for the game to be on linux than what the game is. So linux activist first, gamer second. I don't have a problem with that. Just don't pretend that linux is a gaming platform. And anyone who is looking to be a gamer would choose linux specifically for that. If gaming was more important than linux then you'd pop out of your linux ecosystem because there is much greater choice of games elsewhere.
 
I didn't aim it at you specifically. But if you take it personally that means you yourself feel it applies to you.

It is very simple. It is more important to you for the game to be on linux than what the game is. So linux activist first, gamer second. I don't have a problem with that. Just don't pretend that linux is a gaming platform. And anyone who is looking to be a gamer would choose linux specifically for that. If gaming was more important than linux then you'd pop out of your linux ecosystem because there is much greater choice of games elsewhere.

Yes Nintendo is turning out the best games around right now... and Sony has some great exclusives as well.
 
I didn't aim it at you specifically. But if you take it personally that means you yourself feel it applies to you.

It is very simple. It is more important to you for the game to be on linux than what the game is. So linux activist first, gamer second. I don't have a problem with that. Just don't pretend that linux is a gaming platform. And anyone who is looking to be a gamer would choose linux specifically for that. If gaming was more important than linux then you'd pop out of your linux ecosystem because there is much greater choice of games elsewhere.


I game on both systems, depending on where I am. Certain games are not available on Linux, so I play them on a Windows box. If I happen to be upstairs where my main Linux system is, I use that. being a gamer doesn’t mean you are restricted to one system. “Gamer” is not synonymous with Windows.

Implying you aren’t really a gamer unless you happen to be using a high end Windows system and playing a Windows exclusive AAA title is ludicrous and why I posted that meme about gatekeeping.
 
When it comes to PC Gamer yes Windows is synonymous simply because of the fact that virtually all PC games are available on Windows and that's nowhere near the case for macOS or Linux.

When it comes to PC, Windows is synonymous with 'PC' due to the fact you pretty much can't buy a PC without having Windows pre installed, so naturally it's a popular choice with gaming developers. I'm pretty sure everyone's aware of this fact, it's stating the obvious, like 'the sky is blue'.

However, a vast number of gaming titles are supported under Linux and there's no 'one size fits all' when it comes to gamers. Therefore, it's entirely possible to be a gamer and run Linux, especially when there's more titles available running Linux under Steam than Xbox One and PS3 combined. Even if half those titles were total rubbish, which they aren't, Linux still has more titles than either PS3 or Xbox.

There is no reason to believe RTX will not be supported by Nvidia under Linux. The limiting factor when considering RTX is cost vs percentage increase in gaming performance. At this point in time ray tracing is most likely going to suffer performance issues, even under Windows, making it an unrealistic option in many scenarios.
 
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However, a vast number of gaming titles are supported under Linux and there's no 'one size fits all' when it comes to gamers. Therefore, it's entirely possible to be a gamer and run Linux, especially when there's more titles available running Linux under Steam than Xbox One and PS3 combined. Even if half those titles were total rubbish, which they aren't, Linux still has more titles than either PS3 or Xbox.

If this really were the case then we'd see gaming PCs that came with something other than Windows. From a PC gaming perspective, Windows is not only the 'one size that fits all' but the 'one size necessary to run most PC games'.
 
I game on both systems, depending on where I am. Certain games are not available on Linux, so I play them on a Windows box. If I happen to be upstairs where my main Linux system is, I use that. being a gamer doesn’t mean you are restricted to one system. “Gamer” is not synonymous with Windows.

Implying you aren’t really a gamer unless you happen to be using a high end Windows system and playing a Windows exclusive AAA title is ludicrous and why I posted that meme about gatekeeping.
The point is the reverse isn't true. There's basically no noteworthy games you can run on Linux, but CAN'T run on Windows. So you're always at a disadvantage gaming on Linux if you play a good variety of titles. It seems like the gap is getting smaller though, so I'm hoping it becomes competitive at some point.
 
It seems like the gap is getting smaller though, so I'm hoping it becomes competitive at some point.

The gap from a native perspective was growing and getting really bad. The whole point of Steam Play is to leverage the Windows gaming ecosystem to help boost Linux.
 
If this really were the case then we'd see gaming PCs that came with something other than Windows. From a PC gaming perspective, Windows is not only the 'one size that fits all' but the 'one size necessary to run most PC games'.
Nah, oem licenses are cheap, and they're already supporting windows installs. If they started selling PCs with a Linux OS they would have to either support that too (more money), or disclaim support (fewer people would buy an unsupported product, particularly since there are few consumers who use those operating systems who could help if they got stuck). The capabilities of the OS are a consideration, but ultimately you need a good marketing strategy, and nobody has felt like putting one together for consumers (beyond Ubuntu with dell, but Canonical has backed off that space and focused more on servers).
 
Nah, oem licenses are cheap, and they're already supporting windows installs. If they started selling PCs with a Linux OS they would have to either support that too (more money), or disclaim support (fewer people would buy an unsupported product, particularly since there are few consumers who use those operating systems who could help if they got stuck). The capabilities of the OS are a consideration, but ultimately you need a good marketing strategy, and nobody has felt like putting one together for consumers (beyond Ubuntu with dell, but Canonical has backed off that space and focused more on servers).

Again, Windows 10 is essentially 100% PC gaming compatible, at least with new titles. How the hell does an OEM sell a Linux PC gaming that has far less compatibility with PC games? No matter how it's sliced, that a fucking confusing marketing situation to a person who simply wants to play games on their PC.
 
Again, Windows 10 is essentially 100% PC gaming compatible, at least with new titles. How the hell does an OEM sell a Linux PC gaming that has far less compatibility with PC games? No matter how it's sliced, that a fucking confusing marketing situation to a person who simply wants to play games on their PC.
Right, but they aren't not selling it due to lack of games, they're not selling it because there's no marketing strategy that makes sense right now for Linux over Windows other than "it's open" or "it's different". You can't argue that it's better, because different people will have different opinions and value certain things more than others (games or productivity, for instance). Linux will be on most OEMs when Windows falls out of popularity (due to ads, or subscription schemes, or lock-down, or whatever). Gaming is just one part of that.
 
Right, but they aren't not selling it due to lack of games,

This is EXACTLY why. How the hell does an OEM explain that the brand new PC gaming device they sold you isn't compatible with the that brand new PC game one wants to play?
 
The gap from a native perspective was growing and getting really bad. The whole point of Steam Play is to leverage the Windows gaming ecosystem to help boost Linux.
I wasn't talking about native, that was never going to be a realistic general use option for gamers on its own. The support for Windows titles it's getting now is honestly what Linux needed 15+ years ago. Better late than never.
 
The support for Windows titles it's getting now is honestly what Linux needed 15+ years ago. Better late than never.

I'm all for Steam Play but it's not a silver bullet. For Linux gamers who want more content it's great. For Windows gamers it's a big yawn.
 
If this really were the case then we'd see gaming PCs that came with something other than Windows. From a PC gaming perspective, Windows is not only the 'one size that fits all' but the 'one size necessary to run most PC games'.

What a load of rubbish! Microsoft own the OEM market, another indisputable fact. The OS a PC comes bundled with has doesn't immediately make it a gaming PC.

I'm all for Steam Play but it's not a silver bullet. For Linux gamers who want more content it's great. For Windows gamers it's a big yawn.

Actually, I'm seeing a number of Windows users switching to Linux as a direct result of Steam Play.
 
The OS a PC comes bundles with has zero to do with gaming.

You're always talking about how I bring up the obvious yet somehow you miss perhaps the obvious point I make about this. Person spends $1500 on that new slick laptop gaming PC running Linux only to find out the next the day that new game they want to play on it doesn't work. Devices labeled for PC gaming that don't run most PC games? They're doomed from the start and it couldn't be more obvious.
 
You're always talking about how I bring up the obvious yet somehow you miss perhaps the obvious point I make about this. Person spends $1500 on that new slick laptop gaming PC running Linux only to find out the next the day that new game they want to play on it doesn't work. Devices labeled for PC gaming that don't run most PC games? They're doomed from the start and it couldn't be more obvious.

Another obvious point no one's disputing. The fact that the bulk of Windows users don't know what Windows is, is irrelevant - Especially when gaming PC pre loaded with Linux don't exist as far as I'm aware. The fact remains that it's entirely possible now to be a gamer and run Linux, in fact Linux is a better gaming platform now than OSX. To state otherwise is simply incorrect.
 
This is EXACTLY why. How the hell does an OEM explain that the brand new PC gaming device they sold you isn't compatible with the that brand new PC game one wants to play?

AHHhhh that is why no one buys xbones. Makes sense now heatle thanks.
 
AHHhhh that is why no one buys xbones. Makes sense now heatle thanks.

Ok, as big of a Microsoft shill as I'm called by some I've never bought any version of the Xbox ever either and probably never will. I don't give a shit about the Xbox except the controllers. Something like a pair of 2080 Tis is much more my style.
 
The fact remains that it's entirely possible now to be a gamer and run Linux, in fact Linux is a better gaming platform now than OSX. To state otherwise is simply incorrect.

Yes Linux supports gaming, an obvious thing that no one disputes. Ok, Linux gaming is better than macOS gaming due to better support for Windows compatibility tech under Linux. From a native support perspective Linux is behind macOS.
 
Ok, as big of a Microsoft shill as I'm called by some I've never bought any version of the Xbox ever either and probably never will. I don't give a shit about the Xbox except the controllers. Something like a pair of 2080 Tis is much more my style.

My point is yes exclusives sell systems. That is well known. No one buys an iphone expecting to play android games. No one buys a Xbox expecting to play Uncharged or bloodborne.

When google starts pushing gaming chrome books I expect your head is going to explode. lmao

I don't give the masses a ton of credit... but if an OEM decides to sell a decent laptop with Linux and steam preinstalled, no people buying them are not going to break down crying if the latest Forza game isn't an option.
 
Yes Linux supports gaming, an obvious thing that no one disputes. Ok, Linux gaming is better than macOS gaming due to better support for Windows compatibility tech under Linux. From a native support perspective Linux is behind macOS.

Please stop with all the talk of native. Its silly. Wine is not emulation, DXVK is not emulation.

Valve is adding tools that are not emulating anything... they are open source implementations of closed source APIs. Yes Linux direct x support isn't perfect yet... but its getting there. :) MS should just open source DX already so we can all get on with our lives. lol Well actually I hope they don't... we have a superior open source API hopefully developers continue to migrate to it on their own.
 
My point is yes exclusives sell systems. That is well known. No one buys an iphone expecting to play android games. No one buys a Xbox expecting to play Uncharged or bloodborne.

Exclusives might sell consoles but not gaming PCs.

When google starts pushing gaming chrome books I expect your head is going to explode. lmao


LOL! My head hasn't exploded with the arrival of 2 in 1 Chromebooks. 2 in 1s and gaming devices drive the PC market currently so it would make sense that Google would go after lucrative markets.

I don't give the masses a ton of credit... but if an OEM decides to sell a decent laptop with Linux and steam preinstalled, no people buying them are not going to break down crying if the latest Forza game isn't an option.

Sure, because the masses that you don't give a ton of credit to will totally understand the implications of gaming on Linux means.
 
Please stop with all the talk of native. Its silly. Wine is not emulation, DXVK is not emulation.

Huh? Native code has nothing to with emulation or not emulation. Wine, DXVK, etc. are taking Windows binary code and translating it, period.
 
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