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Nope! Nvidia just priced themselves out of the average gamers market & handed it to AMD. AMD works for me.
They never release self generated benchmarks on day they announce cards. They've always left that to review sites.The fact they released no performance numbers sans ray tracing is a huge indicator the performance jump from Pascal is very minimal and not worth the price increase.
AFAIK nVidia’s profit margin has been flat since 2012. It’s not like they’ve gotten greedier. Break even is what? $800?
I honestly have no reason to upgrade. I am more or less unbiased. Devil’s advocate a little.
This chip is massive though. Makes the Titan X chips look like child’s play. I’ve seen comments that it’s “cut down” but it’s a god damn beast.
They should have just called it a Titan.... the only reason they may have went this route is the current 2080 (bumped to a 2080ti if the 2080ti is a Titan) would have been as fast as a 1080ti in old games lol.
But honestly the compute power puts the old Titan Xs to absolute shame.
The 1080 isn't the "average gamer"
From Steam's Hardware Survey.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1060
12.50%
+0.17%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050 Ti
9.59%
+1.36%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1050
6.17%
+1.51%
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 750 Ti
5.63%
+1.30%
If Nvidia doesn't release a mid range card at a good price point they will, in fact, be handing this market share over to AMD.
You already answered the question. NVIDIA already has competitive "average gamer" cards on the market. Plus, the lesser models always follow the more serious gamer cards with a new architecture. AMD isn't pushing NVIDIA at all. There's 0 reason for them to rush a new "average gamer" card to market right now, especially when they've got 10XX inventory to clear out.
AGAIN look at the context here which no one ever seems to do before replying. He is saying he is glad he is an AMD guy based on the pricing of these new Turing cards. The pricing of cards like this HAVE NO BEARING on people that are mainstream users as Nvidia competes on price just fine there. It is like bitching about the cost of the Honda NSX and saying you are glad you are Hyundai guy that drives an Elantra.
The Vega 64 does beat a 1080 in basically everything, other than power draw.Handed what to AMD? AMD's fastest video card can't even beat a 1080.
I just realized this makes sense from a long term perspective. If they released the 2000 series at traditional price ranges, they might end up pricing AMD out of the market. If AMD graphics folded, Nvidia could incur anti-trust regulation. Whereas if they're still competing on the low to mid-range and only have no competition at the high end, it's not enough to have any sort of monopoly risk in the long term.
The Vega 64 does beat a 1080 in basically everything, other than power draw.
I was about to say...... lol
but then, you could oc a 1080 pretty good.
I wonder how a oc'ed uv'ed Vega would fare....
I think I may cancel my dual 2080Ti order and use my faster Titan V until December and then buy the $5000 RTX Titan.
Why would you order two 2080ti cards over a Titan V, when we dont even know if SLI will function on the 2080 series? In fact I dont think they have even mentioned SLI with these cards unless I missed it.
You might want to reread [H] reviews if you think Vega 64 beats a 1080 in basically everything.The Vega 64 does beat a 1080 in basically everything, other than power draw.
I wonder if you can now SLI Titan V's since NVLink is the new SLI connector. Unless they are wired differently on Volta...
If these provide more than 10%-20% improvement (FPS) over Pascal I'll be amazed. It's painfully obvious this is all about getting RT going and we still don't know what performance hit you will get when you flip on RT in a title. I'll keep my 1070 for a couple more years, I'll put that money into a 2019 Zen or Threadripper "2".
I hadn't looked at [H], I looked at Anand Bench. They basically trade back and forth.You might want to reread [H] reviews if you think Vega 64 beats a 1080 in basically everything.
They never release self generated benchmarks on day they announce cards. They've always left that to review sites.
Pretty sure the pricing is indicative of the performance to expect and where NV knows the benches will fall.
They still have too much Pascal inventory. Watch the prices drop on these things Q1 2019.
Not defending Nvidia, but it is a business. They're not conflicting with their current lineup this way, milking the early adopters.
Feel like you are giving buyers of high end videos are smart too much credit, your average high end video cards are not really concern price/performance metrics but getting the highest visual fidelity at an acceptable frame rate or the highest high frame rate. By no means I am saying they are dumb, just people buying high end cards have different needs and most of the time will
Voodoo 2 12mb was only $300
Just don't buy founders editions and the other manufacturers cards will look like a steal of a deal.
Think of it this way:
The early adopters are the beta testers we need them to fix the bugs for those of us willing to wait.
I won't be buy these RTX cards nothing about them impresses me. I have high standards I won't be leaving 2560x1600 till graphics cards can do at 120 fps at 4K. If you look at the titan v reviews you can't impressed vs a 1080 ti, so I didn't expect the "next gen" careds to be much better. Miners at least increased profits, competition from AMD was lackluster.... I purchased my 1080 ti before Vega came out and I expect 2x 1080 ti before I upgrade again. I've learned my lesson over the years and I only do single GPU. SLI and crossfire are technically dead because they should be offering 100% boosts but even with direct connections they can't seem to split the load evenly. They can do multi core GPus, but can't get two GPUs to play nice... It's really sad when you stop and think about
Tinfoil, because Nvidia doesn't make anything additional beyond what their AIBs pay for the chips. If a card sells for over MSRP, Nvidia doesnt see an extra dime - it's the AIB partner and/or retailer benefitting.Newegg is charging founders edition prices for the regular cards and for those that aren't sold out... requiring the purchase of cpus or other items like SSD drives in bundles just to pre-order. XD
Wonder if Jensen bribed them to do it in order to make the FE card pricing look better. Wtf is going on with this release?
NVLink is disabled on TITAN V. The TITAN V performance is a very good indicator of what to expect performance wise from the 2080 Ti for current gen games. Actually given the higher CUDA core count and HBM, I'm sure that the TITAN V slightly outperforms the 2080 Ti in current games. Bu that's why you paid so much for it, to have something that will be awesome for years to come
I honestly do not know. NV is still not talking to us.Do you think there's any difference between these bridges and the enterprise ones that cost about $600 per?
Pretty sure that Tri and Quad have not been officially supported desktop configs for a long time now.The shape of these bridges also seems to indicate that tri-SLI and quad-SLI really is dead.