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Star Wars: Battlefront Reboot

As much as I want Battefront on being good, I know the odds are against that. EA seems to ignore the good feedback in favor of some wtf decision process. Dice LA made some great improvements to BF4 in CTE but the last patch was wtf? This is a hope for the best, prepare for the worst game. SNAFU
 
xIronCrossx said:
"Omg it has gunz, scopes and you shoot in first person. BATTLEFIELD CLONE!!!"

Seriously that article was complete trash. It's like saying every rts feels like Starcraft because you can build units.
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That's not what he said, but its this sort of response that just makes me laugh because it demonstrates how effective the hype machine is.

You have this incredulous reaction as if there isn't some sort of precedent for this type of behavior from EA.....uh people vigorously denied that BF4 and Hardline weren't mods, yeah they fucking basically were. So it would not surprise me in the least if that was also the case with this game.

piscian18 said:
Shit I don't care if its a mod. Mods are great. As long as its solid when its release I'll jump on it having seen the gameplay.
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This is DICE and EA we are talking about, solid and release does not compute.

DPI said:
Pretty much. I just read the article. The guy is one of the more miniature brains writing for that site, his articles tend to be negative and elitist for teh clickz. Basically complaining that he has never really been a Battlefield fan and isn't very good at these games, and doesnt like console controllers in an FPS with their aim assist - and therefore it's Battlefront's fault and a half assed mod.
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People bemoan the fact that the mainstream press never call out AAA publishers in advance of them releasing piles of shit to the market, in fact many go out of their to tow the PR line and even obfuscate those facts. If you aren't captured by the hype machine, the fact that one of them has broken ranks and dared to piss off EA should be enough to instill a healthy dose of skepticism.

And you know that moment all the Star Wars fans cheered watching the MP trailer when the snowspeeder began tying up the AT-AT walker? Its basically a QTE...

https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBa..._snowspeeder_cable_takedown_minigameesque_in/
 
You should really re read that article and go in with a neutral stance (hard for you since you hate anything AAA). He bitches about auto aim, ok that can be turned off/probably won't be on PC. He bitches about flying, yet he couldn't even fly in Bf4 which means he's a noob. He bitches about dying too fast, again he's a noob. He birches about load outs, but what do you want? The same stuff from the original battlefronts where you couldn't change anything?

My favorite is that he complains about the FPS and glitches...on a beta or alpha and on a console. There are legitimate concerns with the game, but almost everything in that article just screams bitching for the sake of bitching.

Oh and as for your "hype machine working", I didn't preorder this game.
 
xIronCrossx said:
You should really re read that article and go in with a neutral stance (hard for you since you hate anything AAA).
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I guess if I hate the half baked garbage shat out by EA or Ubi on a regular basis I must hate all AAA games....yeah makes plenty of sense. I better uninstall GTA V, SP Stick of Truth, Alien Isolation, etc, because I obviously hate all those AAA games without realizing it :rolleyes:

xIronCrossx said:
He bitches about auto aim, ok that can be turned off/probably won't be on PC. He bitches about flying, yet he couldn't even fly in Bf4 which means he's a noob. He bitches about dying too fast, again he's a noob. He birches about load outs, but what do you want? The same stuff from the original battlefronts where you couldn't change anything?
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How dare he make any critical observations? And a lot of what he states is not bitching, its simply relaying his experiences, there is a difference unless all you want to read is slavish praise, which you can find in just about every other preview if that appeals more to your frame of mind.

xIronCrossx said:
My favorite is that he complains about the FPS and glitches...on a beta or alpha and on a console. There are legitimate concerns with the game, but almost everything in that article just screams bitching for the sake of bitching.
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And yet at the same time he states "I realize this is an early build but it was still shocking.", i.e. more than what you would ordinarily expect from an alpha or beta build. Presumably these guys get to play a lot of those, or not, quite frankly it wouldn't surprise me considering both BF3 and BF4 were glitchy fucking messes for at least 12 months after release.

xIronCrossx said:
Oh and as for your "hype machine working", I didn't preorder this game.
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But yet you have a predisposition to immediately dismiss any criticism? I would say the hype machine is doing a pretty good job then. I would rather expect the worst given past experiences and maybe come away surprised....but I doubt it.
 
Yeah, honestly that article seemed alright to me. I fully expect this game to be essentially a reskin of BF4, just like the other games in the series from BF3 on are essentially reskins of each other.
 
Loved the video. In fact, I liked it so much I am struggling saying no to pre-ordering. Argghhh...must resist!
 
PC Gamer isn't impressed so far. Well they are, but they feel as if some additions are needed to make the game really fun. And they say it is NOT a Battlefield reskin and lament some of the subtle things that BF does that is missing from the E3 PS4 demo.

"Flying the TIE fighter unfortunately felt about as floaty and imprecise as the shooting controls, but I’m hopeful that that, too, will be better on PC with a flight stick or a mouse for aiming. But between the fighter controls and the simplicity of Battlefront’s gun combat, I came away sheepishly feeling like I’ve been hoping for the wrong thing out of Battlefront these last two years. ‘Please don’t be Battlefield with a Star Wars skin,’ I said to myself over and over again. Well, Battlefront is definitely not Battlefield in a Star Wars skin. It lacks the impact and precision of Battlefield’s guns and the weight of its movement.

Maybe a little more Battlefield in Battlefront would’ve been a good thing. It mostly feels like the same old Battlefront, and I did enjoy my time running around on Hoth—especially when a dramatic piece of Star Wars music kicked in. But as I said back when I first saw the game, Battlefront’s charm was in its goofiness and the way it pulled in expanded universe material. Without that silliness, the simplicity of the new Star Wars Battlefront ends up feeling a bit shallow."

http://www.pcgamer.com/star-wars-battlefront-fun-sprawling-and-worryingly-simple/
 
cageymaru said:
Maybe a little more Battlefield in Battlefront would’ve been a good thing. It mostly feels like the same old Battlefront, and I did enjoy my time running around on Hoth—especially when a dramatic piece of Star Wars music kicked in. But as I said back when I first saw the game, Battlefront’s charm was in its goofiness and the way it pulled in expanded universe material. Without that silliness, the simplicity of the new Star Wars Battlefront ends up feeling a bit shallow."
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So its sounding like DICE can't win. People are saying either "Make it true to the old Battlefront titles, not a Battlefield reskin!" or "Build on what you know and make it like Battlefield, don't dumb it down and casualize it". Sounds like it'll wind up somewhere in the middle which is probably the best that can be done to attempt to appease both groups.
 
PS4 has marketing deal with EA for this game that's all. Everything related to Battlefront is going to have PS4 name attached to it. I wonder how many people are going to buy PS4 thinking BF is coming only to that console.

Remember BF3 when they said PC was a lead platform :D
 
Colonel Sanders said:
lol, that's just click bait bullshit. The article even says "they don't currently have any development platforms for Xbox One or PC." Yeah, OK. I guess they're just throwing the code directly on those platforms and crossing their fingers then? :rolleyes:
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Pretty much. This lead platform gibberish is marketing semantics, they didn't plug in keyboard and mouse to a PS4 devkit and start making the game there. And I doubt Johan on the engine team got hooked up by AMD with one of the first copies of a Fury X card months ago so he could help make the game on PS4 natively and then port it to PC or something.
 
DPI said:
So its sounding like DICE can't win. People are saying either "Make it true to the old Battlefront titles, not a Battlefield reskin!" or "Build on what you know and make it like Battlefield, don't dumb it down and casualize it". Sounds like it'll wind up somewhere in the middle which is probably the best that can be done to attempt to appease both groups.
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Sorry but that's BS. They COULD do it the way they should, which is like the original Battlefront but with better graphics. It's the same argument against BF3/BF4, in that it doesn't feel like BF1942/BF2 because they changed so much, when really people just wanted those games with better graphics. Not to mention:

-Dedicated servers
-In-game server browser
-Modding capability

But of course we will never see those because EA/DICE is too greedy to let go of even a little bit of control over anything that could be monetized.
 
Funny thing is their greed will get them less money. Look at Witcher 3........doing it right ish.
 
Anyway, who care about a reskin if the price is fair and match the product quality and size.
 
The videos looks spectacular. My boys and I are playing battlefront 2 and we can't wait!
 
Why are we pinching Dice on trying to create a Star Wars game when the Star Wars genre itself has been bled out more than any other entertainment product known to man? Far beyond any Call of Duty, Battlefield, AC, Halo game, Hollywood movies and any other products. Hypocrisy at it's finest.


All of you know by now that Dice games are indeed terribly launched at release...... so why even bother buying at release to be disappointed again? Wait a few weeks and you'll have less worries about if you can play it or not.
 
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Eshelmen said:
Why are we pinching Dice on trying to create a Star Wars game when the Star Wars genre itself has been bled out more than any other entertainment product known to man? Far beyond any Call of Duty, Battlefield, AC, Halo game, Hollywood movies and any other products. Hypocrisy at it's finest.


All of you know by now that Dice games are indeed terribly launched at release...... so why even bother buying at release to be disappointed again? Wait a few weeks and you'll have less worries about if you can play it or not.
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You make a valid point. The only difference is that we weren't crammed with a yearly edition of the same game with very minor adjustments and changes to the story. At least there were many variances and different takes on what is a massive amount of content.
 
Eshelmen said:
All of you know by now that Dice games are indeed terribly launched at release...... so why even bother buying at release to be disappointed again? Wait a few weeks and you'll have less worries about if you can play it or not.
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Cause not everyone has problems?
 
FYI for anyone waiting, GMG finally has this up for pre-order (at the correct price)

Voucher (removed because it was specific to me) is good for 26% off... just pre-ordered for $44.40. Not likely to get any better than that prior to launch.
 
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Sure that voucher isn't a one-time use voucher? Tried it and it didn't work for me.
 
Stiler said:
Sure that voucher isn't a one-time use voucher? Tried it and it didn't work for me.
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Might be... guess I probably should have checked that.

On the upside, now that its on GMG and the price is fixed, it's pretty certain that at some point between now and november it'll show up with a code for everyone (or VIP)
 
Dion said:
Cause not everyone has problems?
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Seeing as the servers themselves were fucked up....I would say everyone had problems.

Wait on this one. It will have to go through the regular bullshit. Even then, I really feel the console is strong with this one.

Bf4 is playing great for me atm.
 
New code for 23% off at GMG. This one should work for anyone.

SAVE23-WITHGM-GAUG15
 
It's nice to save some money but honestly 20% here and there isn't worth it to me for the gamble on preordering a game I might not be happy with. I have really high hopes for this thing, probably my most anticipated game right now, but we all know DICE has a history delivering unfinished products. I'll wait until the game releases before I purchase.
 
Boggles the mind how many people decry pre-ordering and then one video or 20% off coupon comes out and people jump all over it like a fat kid on cake...
 
MavericK96 said:
Boggles the mind how many people decry pre-ordering and then one video or 20% off coupon comes out and people jump all over it like a fat kid on cake...
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For me personally I avoid preorders unless there's a good reason. Just got a 25% off coupon from gmg and getting it for cheaper is a good reason to preorder. Also sold a dirt rally key for $20 that I got for free with my new R9 290 so game only cost me $25 out of pocket.

I've had good luck with dice games, bad company 2 and battlefield 3 both ran fine for me at launch so in willing to gamble on this for $25 lol

Edit: here is a copy of the code for others to use, it's meant for preordering upcoming games like starwars and fallout 4 shown in this link
http://www.greenmangaming.com/coming-soon/?utm_source=neolane&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=20150821_newsletter_email

Code: COMING-SOON25-AUGGMG
 
I am hoping this game satisfies me. Getting a little bored with my library. Even with a huge backlog, there are some games that I own that I probably have no intention of every playing.
 
theplaidfad said:
I am hoping this game satisfies me. Getting a little bored with my library. Even with a huge backlog, there are some games that I own that I probably have no intention of every playing.
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even if its like titan fall, I payed $40 for that game at launch and got roughly 70 hours of enjoyable play time before it ran dry for me. My happy point is 1 hour per dollar spent and I got my monies worth, I think this new battlefront should provide me with and easy 40-50 hours at least.
 
MavericK96 said:
Boggles the mind how many people decry pre-ordering and then one video or 20% off coupon comes out and people jump all over it like a fat kid on cake...
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I've never had a problem with pre-orders, but the fact is that dangling at 20-25% discount makes pre-ordering attractive. Especially considering that it usually takes a little while for that offer to get back on the table after release. Your gambling $45 so that you won't have to pay $60 if the game is a hit and you want it on release day.

If there is a game that I question whether or not I'll like, I'll happily wait. Especially if there is no incentive to pre-order. But there are certain games that I know I will want, and I know I would very likely purchase regardless of reviews and public reception. Battlefront is one of them. I've also got a pre-order out for Fallout 3 (which I also used a coupon on), and the reasoning is the same. I know I want it. I know it will be good. At that point, I can't really beat saving $15 while still getting it on release day.
 
MavericK96 said:
Boggles the mind how many people decry pre-ordering and then one video or 20% off coupon comes out and people jump all over it like a fat kid on cake...
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QFT. Besides, you know its gonna be buggy as shit.

Also I read that this wont have a campaign and will be multi player only?
 
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Viper87227 said:
I've never had a problem with pre-orders, but the fact is that dangling at 20-25% discount makes pre-ordering attractive. Especially considering that it usually takes a little while for that offer to get back on the table after release. Your gambling $45 so that you won't have to pay $60 if the game is a hit and you want it on release day.
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So if you pre-order and the game sucks, you are out $45. If you don't pre-order and the game is good, you're only out an additional $15 over what you would have paid anyway. Doesn't seem like a great value proposition to pre-order if you ask me.

Besides, how many games stay at $60 with no kind of 20% off coupon or something after release?
 
MavericK96 said:
So if you pre-order and the game sucks, you are out $45. If you don't pre-order and the game is good, you're only out an additional $15 over what you would have paid anyway. Doesn't seem like a great value proposition to pre-order if you ask me.

Besides, how many games stay at $60 with no kind of 20% off coupon or something after release?
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its EA, 2-4 years.
 
MavericK96 said:
So if you pre-order and the game sucks, you are out $45. If you don't pre-order and the game is good, you're only out an additional $15 over what you would have paid anyway. Doesn't seem like a great value proposition to pre-order if you ask me.

Besides, how many games stay at $60 with no kind of 20% off coupon or something after release?
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The second part of my post, which you omitted, is crucial to my point. There are certain games that I know I want, regardless of critical or consumer reception. Battlefront is one of those games. I want it. My friends all want it. Anything shy of being complete unplayable garbage at release, and I'd buy it, no matter public opinion. So if I know that I'm buying it anyway, and I want it right away, why not save $15? I don't have a problem with that. If it turns out buying it was a mistake, that's a bummer, but better that mistake cost me $45 than $60 if I'm going to make it either way. I simply cannot fathom a situation in which the game is so bad at release that I wouldn't buy it.

If there is a game with a decent pre-order incentive, but I'm unsure of how much I want the game, I'll still pass on it. GMG, for example, has Mad Max available to pre-order for $35... a hefty discount over the $60 price tag. It's a game that looks fun, and a game I think I'd like to play. But it's unproven. I don't know enough about it to KNOW i'll enjoy it, or that it will be a quality game, so I'll save my cash and wait.
 
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