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Ending outsourcing would be a great idea. Frankly, a lot of corporations make out like bandits here in the US due to some tax loopholes and having their workforce overseas. It's shocking to me why something as simple as implementing a system where businesses (all of them, both those based here and abroad) are taxed by how much money they've made here in the US and how many workers they hire here as well, but in a proportional fashion. If you make more money here you should hire more workers here in order to pay fewer taxes. If you make less money you're expected to hire less workers and in turn pay fewer taxes. Currently, there's no such system that forcefully, tax wise, asks businesses to keep their money and employment within US borders. They make an obscene amount of money here and invest it into other countries and we have little problem with it. That's called being a leech at the expense of the well-being of the entire nation
Higher taxes on the rich to help pay for social programs to help the poor. You know that most rich people got rich by exploiting the poor, right?
Zarathustra[H];1038462548 said:I didn't say I agreed with everything they have done.
I just give them props for standing up for something they believe in.
In a country where so many can't even be bothered to get off their lazy asses and vote it really stands out as a refreshing difference.
Zarathustra[H];1038463012 said:It comes down to transfer pricing (the rules surrounding how international companies can transfer profits from their subsidiaries across borders) which is a huge and very complicated issue.
Most people - except those directly profiting from the current situation - agree that transfer pricing is broken, but very few solutions have emerged, and no one seems willing to touch it.
I am not an expert on the subject so I don't pretend to have the answer, but yes I do agree, fixing transfer pricing would be a great start, the question is how to do it.
There must always be a Lich King.Anonymous are like shark teeth, pull one and another comes in to replace it.
If you have some money in the bank, a little cash in your wallet and a little change in your pocket then you are part of the 8% of the most wealthy people in the world.Higher taxes on the rich to help pay for social programs to help the poor. You know that most rich people got rich by exploiting the poor, right?
To all those hating on anonymous: What are YOU doing to take a stand against these crooked government entities and evil corporations?
And all you've done is create a class of people dependent upon the government instead of dependent upon themselves.
http://news.investors.com/article/6...nt-dependence-jumps-under-president-obama.htm
You realize Osama Bin Laden stood up for what he believed in right?
Stop saying that Anonymous was really fighting the big government. They did it all for the lulz.
This is one of those UMAD BRO moments, and over Anon, who are not your private army, I can only say that I shalt naught giveth a fuck.
Zarathustra[H];1038463244 said:Big surprise. In the biggest recession in over 70 years people have become dependent on the security net meant to help desperate people in just this type of circumstance...
What do you think unemployment insurance and welfare is for?
The funny part is that the article you posted blames Obama for this, when he hasn't signed a single bill on the topic of security nets since being in office.
What you are seeing is the result of an enormous bubble created on the watch of his predecessors bursting, and the security nets we have built into our society kicking in and working.
Once the economy is no longer in the tubes, these numbers will drop again.
People who are unemployed today are not people who are somehow lazy or don't want to work. These are people who have lost their jobs not of their own doing and who without this support would be starving on the streets.
Is that the kind of society you want to live in? Maybe we can get a mass amount of American shanty towns. Would that make you happy?
I got it, how about a war on drugs!
I'm not saying that everyone who is unemployed is lazy. But the data seems to indicate that the longer you extend benefits like unemployment, the longer people will be without work. Why work when you can get free money? When I was unemployed, I actually made more money off of unemployment than I did when I went back to work. If you really wanted to get the most bang for your buck during the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, maybe the government should put people to work like FDR did with his alphabet soup programs instead of just giving people money to spend.
Zarathustra[H];1038463258 said:I guess Osama Bin Laden is the new Hitler in the ever evolving Godwin's Law.
If you honestly think anything Anonymous, or even their bratty Lulzec counterparts have done in any way compare to a mass murdering terrorist then you really need your head examined.
I'm not saying that everyone who is unemployed is lazy. But the data seems to indicate that the longer you extend benefits like unemployment, the longer people will be without work. Why work when you can get free money?
When I was unemployed, I actually made more money off of unemployment than I did when I went back to work.
If you really wanted to get the most bang for your buck during the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, maybe the government should put people to work like FDR did with his alphabet soup programs instead of just giving people money to spend.
My underlying concern is that the average person should be more responsible for himself and not be looking to the government for a handout.
You need to quit using "you" as well. It implies I had something to do with it. Of course, both of us being here on the intarwebz we clearly don't know jack about each other, yet you've apparently made a startling revelation. Cool story, bro. But whereas I've at least read a bit about it to state that it was the customer's money (debit cards, checking accounts, etc) you've proclaimed it's all based on credit...
Once again, that sounds all nice and good, but how do you go about fixing issues with "income inequality"? Punish those who earned money by redistributing it to those who didn't? How do you guard against the mentality that "why should I work when the government will redistribute money my way"?
So, should I take all of my money out of my bank account and buy canned beans now or later?
I'm not saying that everyone who is unemployed is lazy. But the data seems to indicate that the longer you extend benefits like unemployment, the longer people will be without work. Why work when you can get free money? When I was unemployed, I actually made more money off of unemployment than I did when I went back to work. If you really wanted to get the most bang for your buck during the worst economic conditions since the Great Depression, maybe the government should put people to work like FDR did with his alphabet soup programs instead of just giving people money to spend.
Zarathustra[H];1038463258 said:I guess Osama Bin Laden is the new Hitler in the ever evolving Godwin's Law.
If you honestly think anything Anonymous, or even their bratty Lulzec counterparts have done in any way compare to a mass murdering terrorist then you really need your head examined.
As long as we're completely missing the point and building strawmen, so by omission, you're saying that as long as I have a cause, any cause, it doesn't matter what I do and to whom I do it, as long as it's not mass murder then?
I think LulzSec added way more value than anyone knows. They hack into companies as a joke not really doing any real damage. Sounds like they should be getting paid for finding security holes. I imagine if they wanted to fuck shit up instead of LUL shit up the probably could of.
To the other topics in this thread. Society is an ever evolving thing that has currently outgrown its current state and will be forced into evolving no matter how hard the current generation fights it. Its like nobody chooses to acknowledge the exponential growth and the impossibility for it to sustain itself. When the government says its a $15,000,000,000,000.00 in debt as if this figure is attainable through any natural means as if the possibility of this debt ever being paid off is possible and to whom this money is owed too. This is ignored because there is no fix there is no resolution our society will evolve but to do that it must first die.
Zarathustra[H];1038462471 said:You may not agree with their methods, or think that their methods are futile as I do, but they are trying to change the world in their own little way by fighting out against what they see as injustice.
Why, didn't the Western Roman Empire at the end of the 3rd Century faced something like this and worse? Be thankful that American domestic and international trades are still intact, that barter has yet to occur widespread, local manufacturing en masse by individual American state isn't the trend...
--commanded a loosely organized, international team of perhaps thousands hackers from his nerve center in a public housing project on New Yorks Lower East Side.
This is devastating to the organization, said an FBI official involved with the investigation. Were chopping off the head of LulzSec.
Personally I'd rather this broken system collapse now then to continually plague the world. I'm not really a let our kids fix it type of person. The longer we continue this insanity the worse it will be when it collapses. It's not just American either the currencies of the world has been manipulated beyond control all over the world.
What do you honestly think a "system collapse" would look like?
No clue but probably similar to the Icelandic and Zimbabwe collapses.....just on an extremely larger scale as. But the larger the collapse the better if its just something small it doesn't flush out the corruption and policy that caused the problems. We need a full government and finical collapse that removes our current political system along with the current US dollar.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/20082011_Icelandic_financial_crisis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperinflation_in_Zimbabwe
They hack into companies as a joke not really doing any real damage.
Sounds like they should be getting paid for finding security holes.