TheBlueChanell
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I just hope this card allows me to run Stalker Clear Sky in all it's glory.
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no kidding. I keep putting off that game because I want to run it on max DX10 settings.I just hope this card allows me to run Stalker Clear Sky in all it's glory.
no kidding. I keep putting off that game because I want to run it on max DX10 settings.
5870X2 will hit the stores at $599. The single GPU version will be called the 5870 and will set you back only about $399. The 5850, the least expensive video card in the 58xx line, will sell for about $299.
Radeon 58xx pricing leaked?http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532355/radeon-58xx-pricing-leaked
Fuck I hope not 5850 $299 that is a lot of money...
My guess is that when Nvidia's cards come out hey will drop the price dramatically.
again you missed the point. yes the gtx280 was very expensive but it was also their top of the line card. the 5870 is only HALF of ATIs flagship card so saying saying $399 is far from $650 is completely irrelevant.Nvidia's prices were still MUCH higher though, so it looked worse. For example, GTX280 debuted at $650, just a couple weeks before ATI's cards caused them to slash.
399 is a far cry from 650, to be fair. And ATI will probably have a lot more lead time before Nvidia's cards hit too.
With Nvidia it was just embarrassing because they had to make massive slashes just shortly after they released, as ATI cards quickly destroyed them on price/performance. You'd think Nvidia would have had a better idea how the new ATI cards would perform back then.
Radeon 58xx pricing leaked?http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532355/radeon-58xx-pricing-leaked
Fuck I hope not 5850 $299 that is a lot of money...
My guess is that when Nvidia's cards come out hey will drop the price dramatically.
Both the HD5870 and the GTX 280 are single-GPU parts. They are quite directly comparable in this context.the 5870 is only HALF of ATIs flagship card so saying saying $399 is far from $650 is completely irrelevant.
no they arent. the gtx280 was to be Nvidias flagship card and the gtx295 wasnt even a possibility yet. the 5870 is HALF of ATIs flagship card with the 5870x2 being released several weeks after so there is no comparison.Both the HD5870 and the GTX 280 are single-GPU parts. They are quite directly comparable in this context.
no they arent. the gtx280 was to be Nvidias flagship card and the gtx295 wasnt even a possibility yet. the 5870 is HALF of ATIs flagship card with the 5870x2 being released several weeks after so there is no comparison.
You don't seem to recall the 8800 GT days where it cost $500 at launch, and the 8800 GTX was $650. 8800 GT is to 5850 as 8800 GTX is to 5870.
could have? um okay but they are releasing a 5870x2 so your hypothetical situation is irrelevant. $399 is too much for what is technically half of their high end card. if these cards are 60% faster than a 4870 then you could could just get a much faster 4890 crossfire setup for even cheaper. IMO $399 is an absurd price for the 5870. also the 8800gt was never anywhere near 500 bucks so I dont know where you got that from.There definitely is. ATi could've released a 5870 and a 5850, then released a dual-card version later. You wouldn't have known any better. What will distinguish these cards (at those prices) is the performance. If their 5850 is only a tiny bit better than their 4890, then you'll be right in saying that their card is overpriced. If their 5850 is say... 50% better than the 4890, then that will be great. Their prices are very fair. You don't seem to recall the 8800 GT days where it cost $500 at launch, and the 8800 GTX was $650. 8800 GT is to 5850 as 8800 GTX is to 5870. Except, the prices have been slashed significantly (40%). This is in part due to the low price of the last generation parts and in part, perhaps, due to competition.
could have? um okay but they are releasing a 5870x2 so your hypothetical situation is irrelevant. $399 is too much for what is technically half of their high end card. if these cards are 60% faster than a 4870 then you could could just get a much faster 4890 crossfire setup for even cheaper. IMO $399 is an absurd price for the 5870. also the 8800gt was never anywhere near 500 bucks so I dont know where you got that from.
well most of the rumors say the 5870 will be widely available in October and the 5870x2 is supposedly coming out in November so thats why I said just several weeks later .Pretty sure he meant the 8800GTS640 from the way he says it.
Yes, *if* the 5870 is only 60% faster than 4890. Thing is, we don't even know how well the 5850/5870s perform so all this talk is pretty pointless.
And how do you know the 5870X2 will be released only several weeks later?
Both 3870X2 and 4870X2 were released approx 2 months later than their single GPU counterparts and thats because they needed something to compete against faster nVidia cards. I kinda doubt the 5870x2 will release that quickly, and even if it does then the price would be 799$ (ugh)
Don't you mean GTS?
it was no where near 500 bucks even at release so he was either talking about a different card or was mistaken on the price.No. The 8800GT retailed at ridiculously high prices. I remember paying $300 for mine, a few months AFTER it was debuted. In 3 months price was down to around $200, and that was with zero competition from ATi (the 38xx series hadn't made its debut yet).
It was simply ridiculously high markup.
AmongTheChosenX said:
I always explain it's pro and cons and try to offer advice on what their needs are once they explain what they're looking for in a gaming system.I always tell people never to go SLI or Crossfire, and look for the good single-card solutions.
I always explain it's pro and cons and try to offer advice on what their needs are once they explain what they're looking for in a gaming system.
Quite simply, the cons majorly outweigh the pros, in pretty much anything I can think of, unless you're made of cash and have huge 30" monitors (again, made of cash). No one I know is like that, fortunately or unfortunately?
I have a hard time covering the summer heat + the amount of heat my SINGLE 8800 GTX produces already. Two of them, and I'd better have the AC down low, to make sure that it can support my room that's 8 degrees hotter than the rest of the house.
Quite simply, the cons majorly outweigh the pros, in pretty much anything I can think of, unless you're made of cash and have huge 30" monitors (again, made of cash). No one I know is like that, fortunately or unfortunately?
I have a hard time covering the summer heat + the amount of heat my SINGLE 8800 GTX produces already. Two of them, and I'd better have the AC down low, to make sure that it can support my room that's 8 degrees hotter than the rest of the house.
that is a very subjective statement, to YOU the cons outweigh the pros. it really does matter what your priorities are. some people don't want to compromise there performance and the occasional issue with the add cost is worth it to them
If you're going to ask me for video card advice, then chances are, you don't need a multi-GPU solution and just want to play some games better. If you're that hardcore, you don't need my help, and you could've figured out your priorities by yourself. So to Joe Average, and even Joe Average + 1, there is my advice. Two cards? Don't do it. Three cards? You're fucking mad.
Any concrete specs been leaked out yet by someone other then Charlie?
Radeon 58xx pricing leaked?http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1532355/radeon-58xx-pricing-leaked
Fuck I hope not 5850 $299 that is a lot of money...
My guess is that when Nvidia's cards come out hey will drop the price dramatically.
its supposed to be able to crush nvidias new parts, so of course AMD is going to demand a premium. I think they deserve it after having their asses handed to them for the past 3 years
ATI has had their asses handed to them the last three years ? That is a pretty strong statement.
Sure nVidia has had some kick ass cards lately in the 8800GTX and GTX-280 I owned both and loved them. But ATI has been pretty close in performance lately and better priced.
The 3870X2 gave the 8800GTX some good competition. The 4870 1gb vs GTX-280 weren't too far apart and the 4870 was much cheaper. Look at today the 4890 vs GTX-285 are very close, as is both high end parts the 4870X2 vs GTX-295
I would say over the past 3 years ATI has had the better value with performance pretty close to nVidia. And now the 5870 will take top dog for fastest single card later this month
if you look at market share the term "ass handed to them" isn't really out of line. it wasn't until the 4800 that they have come out swinging.
so then the 5870 will be at $399?
if you look at market share the term "ass handed to them" isn't really out of line. it wasn't until the 4800 that they have come out swinging.