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Getting desperate now aren't we? So after all of your "claims and facts" have been debunked you resort to personal attacks?
Still calling me a liar? By tomorrow or Wednesday (depending on my meeting schedule) I'll have all the components photographed for your viewing pleasure with a big ol sign tag on it. I prefer not to post pics until I'm completely satisfied with my rebuild, but I'll do so in this case just to shut you up and show you I do own the components in my rig.
All at the best price/performance point of $600 not including shipping (ouch) and taxes. What a deal.
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Now, now. Let's be fair. $560, not $600.
That thing sure is sexy looking, tho!
But I think women are sexy, too! But a LOT more expensive than that!
More FUD? I paid $560 and last I looked the price was the same on the Sharka site. I just looked at the Aqua Computer and it sells for about 400 Euro's there. 400 x 1.3452 (Euro to dollar conversion) = $538 USD + shipping...
Since there is nothing like it in the world I would say it was a pretty good deal. Especially since it works very well from what the other 400+ users say all over the world.
Have it shipped to a local US Post Office general delivery and pick it up. Drive across the border and laugh about the few hundred bucks you saved. Sorry, but I can't blame this one on Bush. Who's your prez?
We don't have a president, we have a prime minister because we are a constitutional monarchy.
We've got some right-wing jackass called Stephen Harper right now.
My AUDIO SETUPS INTERCONNECTS are thicker than your tubes.
Looks like the same Monster Cable crap I have for my AV system....... yawn.
Not deserate at all, even your own on XS, minus one person, aren't backing you. Nothing like being overzealous.
I don't doubt you bought that Dream PC list of goods, just wonder why..... Doesn't discount the obvious.
At the of the day this does nothing to watercooling except make more sides. Prior to you spamming these forums the low flow/high flow rift was pretty much done and over with, thank god. Thanks for bringing it full circle.
Rick, what the hell is up with Ranker's quote in your sig, he stated that his mind was still in GPUland when he typed that.
Stop being an ass, you're just paying a premium for what are pretty much average blocks in the German watercooling market.
Do you see any AC products in this chart? Because I don't...
I think it was a wee bit more than having a mind in GPU land when getting that many things wrong in one statement. Sorry to point out the obvious but this guy knows everything, just ask him.
No but I don't argue the block they rate number 1 as I have one of those too, just in my HTPC. Didn't like the visual on the mounting so it got placed somewhere I would never see it but know it works well. It is a very nice block.
Funny thing is I run a Dtek Fuzion so what is your point?
Found a nice flyer on the Aquaduct. Too bad it is in German, but the pics are nice.
Here is the making of the Aquaero video for those who haven't seen it.
The other video too.
Here is the making of the Aquaero video for those who haven't seen it.
The other video too.
You obviously didn't look at the dates on those ratings did you?
According to the date at the bottom of the AC site, they've been around since 2001.
The only time they've succeeded in reaching a high ranking was with their monstrous APE1800:
http://www.watercoolplanet.de/index.php?open=4&charts=0
and yes, I've looked at the dates.
Not deserate at all, even your own on XS, minus one person, aren't backing you. Nothing like being overzealous.
I don't doubt you bought that Dream PC list of goods, just wonder why..... Doesn't discount the obvious.
At the of the day this does nothing to watercooling except make more sides. Prior to you spamming these forums the low flow/high flow rift was pretty much done and over with, thank god. Thanks for bringing it full circle.
LOL, that's why everyone on XS minus 1 or 2 believes I'm right. They just wonder why I'm putting so much effort into it.
Why I bought the "dream list"? My setup is far from the dream list. There's a lot of stuff in a dream pc that I don't own or plan on owning for some time. Having graduated as an engineer, I enjoy toying with things. When the "mother of all bad ass pumps" was being hyped and showing awesome results, I figured "hey I'll try that out". I guess it's damned if you do and damned if you don't right? If I don't have the blocks I have, I'm just a noob who's reading too much into well established reviews and performance charts. If I have too much experience or too much WC equipment, I'm over compensating for something such as the size of penis right?
I'm sorry but unfortunately, the size of my dick isn't tied up with one particular brand of products. I'll continue to use and pursue whatever is best not only performance wise, but also at the price/performance level. It's one of my favorite hobbies after all. I just wish you I could say the same for you. Instead of attacking the issue, you're repeatedly attacked me personally again and again. I guess once you can't fight the facts, fight the person right?
Keep telling yourself that.
Problem with that statement is your pump as been pimped as the best pump for over two years now so this is nothing new...... I can find post by Cathar talking about undervolting the RD-30 dating two year back.
Here is Cathar over two years ago:
Nah, I got the person and the facts right.
Cathar tested it. Yeap, as well as Nihksub1 who purchased it for him. All of this is in the sticky regarding the performance of various water pumps at the top of XS forums. It wasn't until recently that the 2nd wave of excitement came over. That's when a few of us found some dealers who would grant us a group buy/deal on it. So what's the point of all of this? Nothing.
Once again you're trying to start shit and instill FUD at every single turn rather than deal with your presumptive BS that started it all. Please explain why you can't seem to prove the "2-3C" point you love to make and the "low flow performs exactly the same as high flow" argument as well.
Stick to the argument, you can fawn over me a later time.
OK,,,,, I like this better anyways!
So answer the question that you have been avoiding on two forums today.
If loop A achieves the same overclock as loop B but is 3-5c hotter, which loop give better performance?
So it's gone from "2-3C" now to "3-5C"? Which one was it. Please be consistent.
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Depends on just how hard you push the OC and how close you are to the MAX Tjunction of your CPU. Now with summer coming fast, the one offering the lower temps offers you the best performance because you have that much extra headroom for free air temp changes.............
And to take any of the guess work out of my answer, YES, I do push my CPU that hard sometimes..........................
I GAVE you the 3-5c since all of your watercooling knowledge says 2-3c is impossible. Man you want to avoid the question.
The latest dates are for two (2) years ago. The latest AC block on their site is the Cuplex Pro.
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Very simple R1ck, loop B. They are cooling solutions, their metric for performance is cooling. Loop B cools better, therefore it has better performance.
In this situation the machine has the same performance with each cooling solution. That does not mean that loop B wont make a difference on a different machine. Machine A might get no benefit while Machines C,D,E,F,G,H and I all see an additional 100-400 MHz on their overclock. You simply have no way of knowing, which is why performance of cooling solutions is measured by HOW WELL THEY COOL and not how well the components they are attached to perform.
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A Porsche Carrera GT and a Toyota Yaris both get from point A to point B in the same amount of time. Which car is faster? Obviously the Porsche is the faster car, but in this case there were other factors which caused both cars to perform the same (stop lights, speed limits, traffic). Just because they were the same in this instance in no way shape or form makes the Toyota as fast as the Porsche....get it yet?
THIS IS WHY WE AGREE TO DISAGREE!!!!
Let's see here. If a group of vocal people claim something to be right then the others are obviously wrong: The world is flat, man will never fly, man will never step foot on the moon, etc... See where all this goes?
The one thing you all fail to acknowledge is that the original AC users a few years back were all originally high flow users as that was the only game in town. For whatever reason they decided to try another idea. I can think of a few who went back to the big is better philosophy. In most cases they did it just to try something new and have reported no significant gains in the ability to use their computers. Please respond to this
How often do you see AC stuff up for sale that sits in the For Sale forum for any length of time? Most AC stuff disappears in a few hours. I Wonder why? Please respond to this
(Sorry for the repost, but everyone has been dodging my questions)
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Find me one review from a reputable site of a cooling solution where the only way the watercooling is tested is by the overclock, no mention of temperatures.
TN : I have never said that AC doesn't have its place, or that people like them. What I (and everyone else here) am debating is why people try to argue that it performs the same or better than everything else out there. To say so is delusional at best.
THIS IS WHY WE AGREE TO DISAGREE!!!!
If loop B doesn't equate to processing 0's and 1's any faster than loop A they are both the same, in my books.
When you are talking close to ambient temps, 3-5c isn't going to make failure on an overclock. My point all along has been all these loops, regardless of size and color, will achieve pretty much the same overclocking potential. If one wants the most out of a CPU they shouldn't even look at watercooling and go straight the peltier or phase.
Every motherboard review on [H] is done with watercooling!
Actually the problem is no sites are reviewing watercooling so all we have is data years old and not updated to today products. All we have to go by is what the users acheive and why I try so many combinations.
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But you still need cooling that can handle the max OC that you intend on going for ie: maximum voltage that your Bios and chip can take, like my 3.6 100% OC of my E4300 at max voltage my board can put out without any volt mods....................
This is why my CPU loop is running a Thermochill PA120.3, I like the extra security.Because you haven't brought anything to the table to begin with.
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That was not what I asked. You seem to think that overclocking is the only metric. Not only that but the way that your machine overclocks is the only metric, and that this should apply to everyone. Old reviews will work fine. Find me one review where the only way the water cooling was measured was by how well the system it was put on overclocks. If that is what determines performance, nothing else should be tested, temperatures should be ignored.
I am happy that your AC system provides you with the same overclock. Good for you, unfortunately that does not translate over to any body else's system but your own.
EDIT : How does a motherboard review measure watercooling performance? (I think R1ck is a little daffy tonight)
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More than likely...............but I am know for going a bit overboard with my radiators.......... I bet you don't remember when I was running a dual set of Weapon heatercores in my rig, it was a few years ago now.
I bet you don't remember when I was running a dual set of Weapon heatercores in my rig, it was a few years ago now.ikellensbro
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This thread has become a greater pissing match than I ever thought an A vs. the world thread could become. Good grief Ranker, R1ck wants to change his answer from something (by all available data) impossible to something maybe a little bit more in line with this planet's laws of physics and thermodynamics.
R1ck, because you two and many others are caught up in a pissing match, I'll answer your magically question. If two loops get the same OC and one in a couple/20 degrees cooler than the other, which one wins? The one that has other intangibles in its favor. For many, price/value would be a big factor. For others, like yourself, the extra price is offset by what you and many others consider to be good looks. Other things like ease of installation/maintainence(sp) can also play a factor in the ultimate decision. Happy?
1. As in they don't care about performance or price, just as long as whatever they cool doesn't overheat, and if it does, they can hear it over their loop? Now that is an overexaggerated statement, but please don't let others put those in your mouth then
2. Such as? And I'm pretty damn sure they compared the kit (as in the kit, what came out of the box) to other factory kits on their AMD test bed. That test bed was pretty underwhelming for many: the AMD stock HSF, at 40*C load, only got 12*C higher than the best performer.
3. So because they didn't use the Aquastream controller to push a 1046 up to 1048 power, the review is useless? I'll tell you what would happen if they did bump it up: the loop would be performing better, because (surprise surprise) it would have more flow and pressure. For a bit of an educated prediction, here's the same ProCooling graph I posted back when this thread had some sense to it:
I'll admit, that was a pretty bad kit to review. It used an age old radiator design that has (finally) thankfully been replaced with heater core style radiators (which *cough* some people*cough* used to mock [my cheap shot remark has now been used]). Not to mention a Cuplex XT is a pretty good block - is used with a powerful pump. The problem is, that kit is/was representative to a lot of Cuplex users: most will just stick with their woefully underpowered AC (or Innovatech) DC 1046 (/1048) and never get all they possibly can out of their hardware and cooling.
And I really don't think my post needs another quote, but please don't bash review sites because they are now old. Please explain why their data can no longer be used with the hardware they tested, rather than simply cast aside their years of blood, sweat, and tears that helped water cooling get where it is today.
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R1ck : FYI [H] measures only temperatures when they do a cooling review...
...or are you still going to hold on to your delusions that your systems results are the word of god.
...or are you still going to hold on to your delusions that your systems results are the word of god.
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