Windows 8 RTM vs win8 release preview

jadams said:
Windows Key to start/metro
Escape to back to desktop.... nice!

Windows Key to start metro
Launch metro app
Escape doesn't go "back"
Must use Windows key to back to Metro interface.
Once on Metro/Start, Want to go back to desktop? Based on first scenario... just press escape? NO! Sends you back to metro app.
At this point to get back to the desktop you must click desktop.

This is extremely counter intuitive.
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This behavior seems pretty much the same as always. Hitting escape in the Start Menu closes the Start Menu which as been the case since Windows 95. Escape has never "gone back" (and I don't know exactly what you mean here but my point stand nonetheless) when in an application unless that's what the application intends.
 
heatlesssun said:
This behavior seems pretty much the same as always. Hitting escape in the Start Menu closes the Start Menu which as been the case since Windows 95. Escape has never "gone back" (and I don't know exactly what you mean here but my point stand nonetheless) when in an application unless that's what the application intends.
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it seems the desktop is treated as an "app".

If at the desktop and invoke the start menu, you can get back to the desktop by pressing escape

If in a metro app, and invoke the start menu again, pressing escape gets you back to the app. After launching a metro app the only way to get back to the desktop is to invoke the start menu and press the desktop icon. Or so far that's the only way I've found.

I want to try this out over the next few weeks, but I see myself just avoiding metro as much as possible. Its useless.

Furthermore.... theres two ways to enter the start menu. The windows key, which is tried and true. Or a "hidden" start menu button, whichi doesn't appear until you move your mouse to a 25px space at the very bottom left of the screen. Or the top right, at which point I have to wait for a menu to appear and then click an icon half way down the screen. This is the definition of counter intuitive.

The taskbar is also mirrored across my two monitors, not sure if that's a good or bad thing yet.
 
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jadams said:
it seems the desktop is treated as an "app".

If at the desktop and invoke the start menu, you can get back to the desktop by pressing escape

If in a metro app, and invoke the start menu again, pressing escape gets you back to the app. After launching a metro app the only way to get back to the desktop is to invoke the start menu and press the desktop icon. Or so far that's the only way I've found.
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Again, behavior that really always been this way. Win+D will take you back to the desktop from wherever. Win+Tab will then take you back to the last Metro app from the desktop that you where in.

As for the uselessness of Metro apps, we'll see how that works out when there's thousands of Metro apps with many having now true desktop or even browser equivalent or desktop app that sucks with touch.
 
CrimsonKnight13 said:
Does Enterprise have the capacity to utilize Media Center?
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Not sure if anyone answered this, but so far we haven't found a way to install Media Center on Enterprise here at work. From what I gather, you add Media Center now by running the "Windows Anytime Upgrade" stuff found in the System Properties screen. On Enterprise, that option isn't available, so you can't run it to add the Media Center key. Now that may be wrong and there's some other way to add MC, but we haven't found it yet.

It's a bit odd, since Enterprise is advertised as being identical to Pro, but with additional features. Apparently this isn't actually the case. Some of the guys at work need to use MC to test some of the work they do, so this means I'll have to configure a special Pro install for them, which means they'll be missing the additional feature Ent has.

Honestly, I expect someone will come up with a way to add MC to Ent so I'm not too fussed, plus it's really not a major req for me so I'm sure having a Pro box around for testing won't be the end of the world.
 
JBark said:
Not sure if anyone answered this, but so far we haven't found a way to install Media Center on Enterprise here at work. From what I gather, you add Media Center now by running the "Windows Anytime Upgrade" stuff found in the System Properties screen. On Enterprise, that option isn't available, so you can't run it to add the Media Center key. Now that may be wrong and there's some other way to add MC, but we haven't found it yet.

It's a bit odd, since Enterprise is advertised as being identical to Pro, but with additional features. Apparently this isn't actually the case. Some of the guys at work need to use MC to test some of the work they do, so this means I'll have to configure a special Pro install for them, which means they'll be missing the additional feature Ent has.

Honestly, I expect someone will come up with a way to add MC to Ent so I'm not too fussed, plus it's really not a major req for me so I'm sure having a Pro box around for testing won't be the end of the world.
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Thanks for the info. I'll see what TechNet offers on the 15th regarding 8 & Server 2012.
 
In the People Hub. Click on girlfriends's picture. From here I can view her facebook profile. Ok nifty. Once at her Facebook page in metro how do I get back to her people hub? You cant. You have to invoke the start menu, then go back to the people hub, then to her profile again.

Yea yea heatless theres never been a "back" functionality outside of a browser in windows, but my phone, with an interface designed for touch (which metro is) does this. Why cant I go back!? Not intuitive.

I think if a real back button existed I'd be 100x more happy. I see it on the Windows Phones, why is there no functionality here? Its virtually the same interface is it not? Does the back button on WP devices not function the same way it does on Android? Will pressing the back button once you've clicked a link in your email not take you back to your email FROM the browser?

I still cant get over needing a Microsoft account on a domain pc either. Business will never adopt this.

Also while typing this.... tried to see what time it was.... lol. *shakes head*
 
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jadams said:
I still cant get over needing a Microsoft account on a domain pc either. Business will never adopt this.
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I have no idea what you were saying about the People hub and then talking about the default email client in Windows 8 is when in business we all know that the default email client in is Outlook.
 
heatlesssun said:
I have no idea what you were saying about the People hub and then talking about the default email client in Windows 8 is when in business we all know that the default email client in is Outlook.
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I suppose you're right about business. But exchange functionality is there, yet I still need an MS account to use it. That's beyond backwards.

Don't know what I'm talking about the people hub... just follow what I said.

Bing Maps is useless. Hope they add a lot more functionality.
 
E^vol said:
Is that an advertisement in Win8 ?? If that's the case, then M$ can go fuk themselves, and their UGLY square look. :mad:
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Yes its an ad. I've only come Across one so far and it was just kind of randomly there in the travel app. But you know it wont stop there. Especially when 3rd party apps become more plentiful. We will be bombarded with even more ads. Will we have to install a metro ad block? Lol probably.
 
jadams said:
Windows Key to start/metro
Escape to back to desktop.... nice!

Windows Key to start metro
Launch metro app
Escape doesn't go "back"
Must use Windows key to back to Metro interface.
Once on Metro/Start, Want to go back to desktop? Based on first scenario... just press escape? NO! Sends you back to metro app.
At this point to get back to the desktop you must click desktop.

This is extremely counter intuitive.
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I'm not seeing what's counter-intuitive here...

When you open the Start Screen, pressing Escape (or the Windowskey) closes the start screen. When the Start Screen closes, you're taken back to the last place you were at before you opened it.

If I open the Start Screen on top of the desktop, then close the start screen, I expect the desktop be be revealed again.
If I open the Start Screen on top of the People app, then close the Start Screen, I expect the People app to be revealed again.

Why would opening the Start Screen on top of the People app, then closing the start screen, suddenly open the desktop instead of just revealing the People app that I left behind the Start screen? THAT would be counter-intuitive.

If you want a "always return me to the desktop" keyboard shortcut, try Windowskey + D

jadams said:
In the People Hub. Click on girlfriends's picture. From here I can view her facebook profile. Ok nifty. Once at her Facebook page in metro how do I get back to her people hub? You cant. You have to invoke the start menu, then go back to the people hub, then to her profile again.
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I think you've somehow missed the functionality of the hot-corner in the top-left corner of your screen. That hot-corner is effectively a "back" button, and will cycle back through the app stack. You can also hover over that corner and then swipe the cursor downwards to expand a bar that shows all currently running apps so you can switch between them.

This functionality can also be accessed with Windowskey + Tab

jadams said:
I still cant get over needing a Microsoft account on a domain pc either. Business will never adopt this.
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I signed a Windows 8 machine into our domain at work without a Microsoft account. Worked just fine... I don't see where it's "required" :confused:

jadams said:
Also while typing this.... tried to see what time it was.... lol. *shakes head*
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Bottom-right corner of the screen still has the clock, just like it always has, on the desktop...

If you want the time overlay, you can open up the Charms bar. Hover over the top-right hot corner and swipe the cursor down. The Charms bar will appear on the screen, along with a fairly large clock.

You can also access the charms bar with Windowskey + C if you don't like the hot-corner (or if you already had your hands over the keyboard, like you did when you were typing).
 
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Do you guys realize you DONT need to use a Live account? On installation of Win8, just choose to create a local account. Its the same as windows 7...
 
jadams said:
Bing Maps is useless. Hope they add a lot more functionality.
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Nothing fancy about it but far from useless. The included apps in Windows have always been pretty basic, there will no doubt be a lot of 3rd party mapping apps.
 
heatlesssun said:
Nothing fancy about it but far from useless. The included apps in Windows have always been pretty basic, there will no doubt be a lot of 3rd party mapping apps.
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Its for the most part useless. Unless you actually like looking at a map, or ONLY being able to get directions from A to B its useless. What if I'm searching for A or B?

Why cant I search for a place? Maybe MS didn't think they should put all the functionality of their web browser counterpart into this app. So yea... useless.

I also like how you cherry pick things to reply to.
 
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dnottis said:
Do you guys realize you DONT need to use a Live account? On installation of Win8, just choose to create a local account. Its the same as windows 7...
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You can choose to use a local account. But go into metro and try to use the messenger, the people hub, the mail, anything.

You need an MS account just to use the apps. I could see if you were required to have a MS account to use the MS account for email. But needing an MS account to add my gmail to the mail app? Lame. Needing to log into my MS account go sign into my Facebook account? Lame.
 
jadams said:
Its for the most part useless. Unless you actually like looking at a map, or ONLY being able to get directions from A to B its useless. What if I'm searching for A or B?

Why cant I search for a place? Maybe MS didn't think they should put all the functionality of their web browser counterpart into this app. So yea... useless.

I also like how you cherry pick things to reply to.
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You do realize that you can search in Bing Maps, it's done from the Search in the Charms bar. And it's not so much that I was cherry picking, it's just that the Bing Maps app does pretty much all I ever use a map app for, searches, road and aerial views and directions and works with GPS in tablets. So I was just curious why you thought it was useless, which if one thinks it doesn't have search would explain it.
 
Unknown-One said:
I'm not seeing what's counter-intuitive here...

When you open the Start Screen, pressing Escape (or the Windowskey) closes the start screen. When the Start Screen closes, you're taken back to the last place you were at before you opened it.

If I open the Start Screen on top of the desktop, then close the start screen, I expect the desktop be be revealed again.
If I open the Start Screen on top of the People app, then close the Start Screen, I expect the People app to be revealed again.

Why would opening the Start Screen on top of the People app, then closing the start screen, suddenly open the desktop instead of just revealing the People app that I left behind the Start screen? THAT would be counter-intuitive.

If you want a "always return me to the desktop" keyboard shortcut, try Windowskey + D
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We're not doing shortcuts here. This interface was designed without the keyboard in mind. I find it backwards that now we have to use keyboard shortcuts to naviagete properly throughout Windows now. You and I may be able to use shortcuts. But lets be serious. I know a plethora of people who don't even know the most basic of shortcuts for opening a new window, opening a new tab, or even copy/cut/paste. I can possibly ask my mother to remember keyboard shortcuts.

Also lets not mistake what "desktop" is now being referred to. When you press Windows+D or click the desktop icon (which I think is laughable that we're forced to do) you are not taken to the desktop you are taking to the "work space". You are not taken to a view of your desktop icons with all windows minimized. You are taken to your workspace. When I close the start menu that's where I expect to be taken. This is where the disconnect lies for me. There are now two workspaces, two places to get things done. There is now MY workspace, and now metro (if you can even call it a workspace).

There should be a distinction between the two. I can see how casual people who wont be multitasking, who want to "consume" things (like what we use our phones and tablets for) might like metro. But its not a workspace. Not by a longshot.


Unknown-One said:
I think you've somehow missed the functionality of the hot-corner in the top-left corner of your screen. That hot-corner is effectively a "back" button, and will cycle back through the app stack. You can also hover over that corner and then swipe the cursor downwards to expand a bar that shows all currently running apps so you can switch between them.

This functionality can also be accessed with Windowskey + Tab
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Again the shortcuts... out the window. And as far as the hot corner, take a look at the other thread and what I said when it comes to multi monitors. I have to use my fps skills to ensure I land in that magical sweet spot that brings up these things in the gui. Once I do find the spot, I have to swipe down? You're presented with a preview of whats open. Know what they used to call that back in the day? the taskbar. But now its hidden away. Something so basic, why hide it with extra mouse/key strokes.


Unknown-One said:
I signed a Windows 8 machine into our domain at work without a Microsoft account. Worked just fine... I don't see where it's "required" :confused:
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Its not required to sign in. its required to use any of the main metro apps.


Unknown-One said:
Bottom-right corner of the screen still has the clock, just like it always has, on the desktop...

If you want the time overlay, you can open up the Charms bar. Hover over the top-right hot corner and swipe the cursor down. The Charms bar will appear on the screen, along with a fairly large clock.



You can also access the charms bar with Windowskey + C if you don't like the hot-corner (or if you already had your hands over the keyboard, like you did when you were typing).
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When I wrote what you replied to I was in the metro IE. You cant possibly think doing any of what you just said above is necessary just to see what time it is?
 
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heatlesssun said:
You do realize that you can search in Bing Maps, it's done from the Search in the Charms bar. And it's not so much that I was cherry picking, it's just that the Bing Maps app does pretty much all I ever use a map app for, searches, road and aerial views and directions and works with GPS in tablets. So I was just curious why you thought it was useless, which if one thinks it doesn't have search would explain it.
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You don't search in Bing maps. As you said you search from the Charm bar. The Charm bar then searches Bing Maps. Convoluted?? These are two different things. Once you open Bing maps theres nothing to do but look at a map.

The "directions" functionality is right there IN the app. Why isn't basic search? Why do I have to invoke yet another menu?

Right clicking in an app brings up its menu. Why isn't search in there? Why are we required to goto another menu to search what an application is already supposed to do?

I'm glad you told me about that though. I didn't even think to look in the charm bar for it.
 
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jadams said:
You can choose to use a local account. But go into metro and try to use the messenger, the people hub, the mail, anything.

You need an MS account just to use the apps. I could see if you were required to have a MS account to use the MS account for email. But needing an MS account to add my gmail to the mail app? Lame. Needing to log into my MS account go sign into my Facebook account? Lame.
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And I'm quoting myself here because I think there is a larger underlying issue here. Why would MS want you to create an account and sign into it to use these basic apps?

Data mining and advertisement. Its coming....
 
jadams said:
You don't search in Bing maps. As you said you search from the Charm bar. The Charm bar then searches Bing Maps. Convoluted?? These are two different things. Once you open Bing maps theres nothing to do but look at a map.

The "directions" functionality is right there IN the app. Why isn't basic search? Why do I have to invoke yet another menu?

Right clicking in an app brings up its menu. Why isn't search in there? Why are we required to goto another menu to search what an application is already supposed to do?

I'm glad you told me about that though. I didn't even think to look in the charm bar for it.
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It actually makes a lot of sense because Metro apps don't have to be open in order to expose their search capabilities. And for apps that use the Search contract you can run the search term against multiple apps simply by selecting a different app, so one can search Bing Maps or Google or whatever with just a click.

Of course there's no reason why an app can't have search in the app itself but it does seem a bit redundant when the search is available all of the time even when the app isn't even open.
 
jadams said:
And I'm quoting myself here because I think there is a larger underlying issue here. Why would MS want you to create an account and sign into it to use these basic apps?

Data mining and advertisement. Its coming....
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Well you have to sign into something to make these things work, I don't see how Windows 8 is doing anything different with their cloud solutions than anyone else. You don't have to sign into the computer with a Microsoft account and you don't even have to use these apps.
 
heatlesssun said:
Well you have to sign into something to make these things work, I don't see how Windows 8 is doing anything different with their cloud solutions than anyone else. You don't have to sign into the computer with a Microsoft account and you don't even have to use these apps.
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No, this cant be right. I have to sign into an MS account to use my gmail? No. Accessing my gmail should only require... my gmail account and credentials

I have to sign into an MS account to use the people hub? No, that should only require logging into gmail, and facebook.
 
heatlesssun said:
Of course there's no reason why an app can't have search in the app itself but it does seem a bit redundant when the search is available all of the time even when the app isn't even open.
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Its not redundant, its intuitive, especially in this case.

Invoking another a different system to search for a location in bing maps, rather than being able to search IN bing maps.

Man you're reaching here.
 
jadams said:
No, this cant be right. I have to sign into an MS account to use my gmail? No. Accessing my gmail should only require... my gmail account and credentials

I have to sign into an MS account to use the people hub? No, that should only require logging into gmail, and facebook.
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You can still do all that by going through IE though. You are trying to use the Metro app for those things, and the Metro app requires an MS account.

Can you use a non-google account to set up an Android phone? And that's actually a question, as I've never tried it.
 
jadams said:
No, this cant be right. I have to sign into an MS account to use my gmail? No. Accessing my gmail should only require... my gmail account and credentials

I have to sign into an MS account to use the people hub? No, that should only require logging into gmail, and facebook.
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Fair enough, the Microsoft account is used to aggregate stuff so that the cloud and synching stuff works and it's actually pretty cool. I would imagine that there will be plenty of 3rd party messaging and social networking apps that won't require a Microsoft account.
 
jadams said:
Its not redundant, its intuitive, especially in this case.

Invoking another a different system to search for a location in bing maps, rather than being able to search IN bing maps.

Man you're reaching here.
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Not trying to make an argument out of it, it's just a convention that "Metro" apps are encouraged to use and I find it useful and powerful and it works in the app or not. There's no reason why one can't put search in their apps but then it's tied to the app and isn't available system wide.
 
jadams said:
We're not doing shortcuts here. This interface was designed without the keyboard in mind. I find it backwards that now we have to use keyboard shortcuts to naviagete properly throughout Windows now. You and I may be able to use shortcuts. But lets be serious. I know a plethora of people who don't even know the most basic of shortcuts for opening a new window, opening a new tab, or even copy/cut/paste. I can possibly ask my mother to remember keyboard shortcuts.
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Erm... you used keyboard shortcuts in YOUR examples. The windows key and the escape keys are shortcuts for things usually done with the mouse.

And you don't "need" keyboard shortcuts to navigate, I listed them for your benefit just in case you wanted them. There are mouse-equivalents for everything, but they're called keyboard "shortcuts" for a reason, they can be used to short-cut things if you want to (or like to) use them.

jadams said:
Again the shortcuts... out the window. And as far as the hot corner, take a look at the other thread and what I said when it comes to multi monitors. I have to use my fps skills to ensure I land in that magical sweet spot that brings up these things in the gui. Once I do find the spot, I have to swipe down? You're presented with a preview of whats open. Know what they used to call that back in the day? the taskbar. But now its hidden away. Something so basic, why hide it with extra mouse/key strokes.
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I have an Eyefinity setup that I keep in extended-desktop mode while not gaming. I run Windows 8 on it, and ever since the Release Preview, I have had no more issues with the hot corners. Windows 8 now "traps" the cursor in the corners of the display, which made it quite easy to operate them even with monitors on BOTH sides of the center screen. This can be slightly finicky in the Release Preview, I noticed the "sticky" corners didn't work in a virtual machine (even when full screened) but they did work when I installed Windows 8 on the hardware itself. it made a HUGE difference.

And I never said you HAD to swipe down. You could simply hover and click to be taken back. You wanted a back button, you complained that you thought there was no way to get back to the People app from Metro IE, I've explained the way to do it. Hover over the top-left corner and click.

Also, Winkey + Tab (the multitasking keyboard shortcut I listed previously to handle this particular hot corner) is NOT a new thing. Windows 7 already had a hidden task switcher hard-wired to the Winkey + Tab keyboard shortcut. Microsoft has simply replaced Flip3D with a new switcher that's actually useful and not redundant.

jadams said:
When I wrote what you replied to I was in the metro IE. You cant possibly think doing any of what you just said above is necessary just to see what time it is?
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It...sounds like you're using Windows 8 on a desktop or laptop. Why were you using Metro IE? You can set the desktop version of IE as the default browser, you know... wouldn't be a problem if you simply did that

If there's any app that's part of Windows 8 that's ONLY for touch, it's the Metro version of IE. It has a desktop counterpart for a reason.

jadams said:
You don't search in Bing maps. As you said you search from the Charm bar. The Charm bar then searches Bing Maps. Convoluted?? These are two different things. Once you open Bing maps theres nothing to do but look at a map.

The "directions" functionality is right there IN the app. Why isn't basic search? Why do I have to invoke yet another menu?

Right clicking in an app brings up its menu. Why isn't search in there? Why are we required to goto another menu to search what an application is already supposed to do?

I'm glad you told me about that though. I didn't even think to look in the charm bar for it.
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Windows 8 has a unified search system, and they've made the charms bar context-sensitive. Whatever app you're currently looking at, the charms bar picks up functions for that app (one of them being search, another being settings). No matter what app you're in, search and settings is ALWAYS in the same place. I really like this design, personally (there's no need for every app to have its own custom, internal, and disparate search interface). I open up cocktail flow, open the charms bar, and I'm searching drinks. I open people, open the charms bar, I'm searching people. Very slick!

Of course, you can also search other places without leaving the the app you're in. Any app that has registered with the unified search system is selectable while you have the search section open (it just defaults to searching using the currently running app).

This is a trait that Windows Phone 7 used to share. All WP7 handsets have a hardware search key, and before the update to WP 7.5, it was a context sensitive search key. If you were at the start screen, pressing that hardware button opened Bing search. if you were in the People hub, pressing that key would search people.

They added a bunch of functions to the Bing "app" (like Bing Vision and Bing Music) in 7.5, so it was decided that the hardware button should always take you to the Bing app. Context-sensitive search was moved to an on-screen button.
 
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jadams said:
We're not doing shortcuts here. This interface was designed without the keyboard in mind. I find it backwards that now we have to use keyboard shortcuts to naviagete properly throughout Windows now. You and I may be able to use shortcuts. But lets be serious. I know a plethora of people who don't even know the most basic of shortcuts for opening a new window, opening a new tab, or even copy/cut/paste. I can possibly ask my mother to remember keyboard shortcuts.

Also lets not mistake what "desktop" is now being referred to. When you press Windows+D or click the desktop icon (which I think is laughable that we're forced to do) you are not taken to the desktop you are taking to the "work space". You are not taken to a view of your desktop icons with all windows minimized. You are taken to your workspace. When I close the start menu that's where I expect to be taken. This is where the disconnect lies for me. There are now two workspaces, two places to get things done. There is now MY workspace, and now metro (if you can even call it a workspace).

There should be a distinction between the two. I can see how casual people who wont be multitasking, who want to "consume" things (like what we use our phones and tablets for) might like metro. But its not a workspace. Not by a longshot.




Again the shortcuts... out the window. And as far as the hot corner, take a look at the other thread and what I said when it comes to multi monitors. I have to use my fps skills to ensure I land in that magical sweet spot that brings up these things in the gui. Once I do find the spot, I have to swipe down? You're presented with a preview of whats open. Know what they used to call that back in the day? the taskbar. But now its hidden away. Something so basic, why hide it with extra mouse/key strokes.
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Opening and closing the start screen is exactly like opening and closing the start menu in W7. And could you please explain what is so "laughable" as you put it about having to click something to open the desktop?

Also, as far as keyboard shortcuts go - newsflash - if you are going to complain about efficiency of using a product why even bother with a mouse? It is less efficient than a keyboard at almost everything.

Alt+Tab, and Win+Tab still show ALL you open apps you don't have to use the hot corners. As for using Windows 8 on a desktop, what I don't get is so many people seem to hate metro and yet they can't seem to grasp the concept that you don't need to use any of those metro apps. I have used W8 long enough to know there is no reason to use any Metro apps, if you don't want to.

Finally, as for the advertisement you pointed out...that is an app dependent thing, and how is it any different than if you went a news website, they would have ads. But, guess what...you obviously hate metro so just download adblock and view your news on a website, news apps are pretty much pointless on a desktop computer.
 
Unknown-One said:
I have an Eyefinity setup that I keep in extended-desktop mode while not gaming. I run Windows 8 on it, and ever since the Release Preview, I have had no more issues with the hot corners. Windows 8 now "traps" the cursor in the corners of the display, which made it quite easy to operate them even with monitors on BOTH sides of the center screen. This can be slightly finicky in the Release Preview, I noticed the "sticky" corners didn't work in a virtual machine (even when full screened) but they did work when I installed Windows 8 on the hardware itself. it made a HUGE difference.
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This is the last major thing I need to try with Windows 8, nVidia Surround and it sounds like the best way for it to work is to switch between Surround and individual monitor mode as I think you're saying here. I've found nVidia drivers have always been a bit finicky about switching between Surround and individual monitor mode. I need to try it out on my sig rig. But yeah, the hot corners do work a lot better with the dual monitor setups I've tried in the Release Preview.
 
jadams said:
In the People Hub. Click on girlfriends's picture. From here I can view her facebook profile. Ok nifty. Once at her Facebook page in metro how do I get back to her people hub? You cant. You have to invoke the start menu, then go back to the people hub, then to her profile again.
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No idea if this has been called out yet, but going to the top *left* corner brings up the last Metro app you were in (People) and sliding slightly down brings up all the running Metro windows.

You don't need to invoke the start menu to get from the browser back to People.

(This is on a non-touch PC, I assume a tablet has a similar function)
 
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No idea if this has been called out yet, but going to the top *left* corner brings up the last Metro app you were in (People) and sliding slightly down brings up all the running Metro windows.

You don't need to invoke the start menu to get from the browser back to People.

(This is on a non-touch PC, I assume a tablet has a similar function)
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Correct, and you can just right click repeatedly to cycle through all open Metro apps without sliding down. You can also use Windows+Tab to tab through all open Metro apps or Alt-Tab to tab through all open apps, desktop or Metro. On a touch device to get the side bar like using the top left hoy corner with a mouse you simply slide a finger from the left edge towards the center of the screen. And the new touch pads for many Windows 8 devices will support similar edge swiping and other gestures for navigation.
 
I really don't care what you MS nutswingers say about windows 8 being great.......because you are fooling youself if you think that a tablet interface has any place on a desktop......There are a lot of people who are going to be sticking with windows 7 once this crap hits the market. This is going to make Vista's launch look good by comparison.......
 
Well, I guess I better email Balmer and tell him to cancel Win 8, yeuemmaimai doesn't like it... /s

Win 8 has a place on the desktop, the desktop of people who recognize it's a logical, efficient, elegant merging of tablet and desktop gui's, one gui to rule them all, so to speak.

But yea, people will probably reject Win 8 far more than Win 7, they're easily persuaded by techno-emo's.
 
^lol Windows 8 is NOT a logical progression of Windows 7. All versions up to and including 7 have been logical steps forward. Windows 8, not even close. MS could have prevented this whole fiasco that is about to befall them simply bay making the desktop the DEFAULT interface on the desktop if no touch devices are present.

BTW exactly how many touchscreen machines are there available compared to non touch? (both desktop and laptop)

People are going to reject 8 solely based upon it's craptastic interface and that's about it.
 
All versions, if you leave out MS-DOS. MS-DOS->Windows was more radical than Win 7->Win 8. Besides, it seems a logical progression to me. The start page is better than the start menu, I can open programs faster because I can have a larger number of them with larger icons, without extraneous extras like help documents and useless little utilities I constantly accidently open, and the bigger icons mean I won't click the wrong thing of what I do have up there. I don't have to click all programs and scroll around and open a folder either. Then, it also happens to make tablet use easier, allowing MS to sell one OS cutting costs, needless duplication of effort and so on.

And what do you want me to do, count touch/non-touch devices? And I didn't see a reason to do this stated, must be because there is not one.

Hardly matters if people reject it, they're not too smart anyway, matters to me if it is useful or a good solution, more than what random people I don't know think about it.
 
Forceman said:
You can still do all that by going through IE though. You are trying to use the Metro app for those things, and the Metro app requires an MS account.

Can you use a non-google account to set up an Android phone? And that's actually a question, as I've never tried it.
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No you can't. You tie a Google phone to your Google gmail account. Its 1 to 1.

I could see this analogy if Ms made me sign into my live account to access my live email. But this isn't the case.

Of course you can still do it all through ie. Use that as an example of how it should be done. Imagine going to gmail.com but before the page loads you have to log into your Ms account. Then you van get to your gmail.
 
jadams said:
You can choose to use a local account. But go into metro and try to use the messenger, the people hub, the mail, anything.

You need an MS account just to use the apps. I could see if you were required to have a MS account to use the MS account for email. But needing an MS account to add my gmail to the mail app? Lame. Needing to log into my MS account go sign into my Facebook account? Lame.
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I dont use any of that shit anyways. I use pidgin for chatting, hotmail.com...Im not using the lame ass buggy apps in Win8.
 
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