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Windows 8 Pricing Update
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Because most people don't count the business only versions. Nt4 and 2000 were not aimed at consumer markets.
That said I agree the good version, bad version thing is silly. Vista was far from bad and calling ME bag is a huge understatement.
Lot of businesses ran on 3.1/95 and XP........
NT4 was expensive to run at the time, 64MB of ram didnt grow on trees back then.Lot of businesses ran on 3.1/95 and XP........
XP ran better on 64MB than NT4?
64MB was the preferred amount for NT4.
That was quite a jump considering around the turn of the century most office machines still had 8-16MB of ram.
Y2K was a big rush for NT4. I bet on the 1st of Jan 2000 there were more PCs running NT4 than anything else.
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Microsoft keeps shooting itself in the foot . . . Ill pass on windows 8 , Im not supporting Microsoft new tablet software push
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It is worse then that they actually ask people money for a broken User Interface upgrade
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Change happens sometimes, folks... whether you like it or not.
I have 8 on my SSD-powered E5520 and it's alright. Granted I don't get the reasoning behind the "1 OS for all" considering the tablet functionality doesn't exist on most desktops or laptops. Change is change and that's how it is. I'm looking at this from a different perspective too - my Win 8 and Office 2013 are courtesy of Technet and not preinstalled or bought retail (in other words I may as well give it a go since I have it). Microsoft will react - the bad press and underwhelming sales will force them to.
Now ironically enough I never hear anyone bitch about Server 2012, which has the same modern UI, hot corners etc. Server 2012 > Server 2008R2... perhaps that's why?
I have 8 on my SSD-powered E5520 and it's alright. Granted I don't get the reasoning behind the "1 OS for all" considering the tablet functionality doesn't exist on most desktops or laptops. Change is change and that's how it is. I'm looking at this from a different perspective too - my Win 8 and Office 2013 are courtesy of Technet and not preinstalled or bought retail (in other words I may as well give it a go since I have it). Microsoft will react - the bad press and underwhelming sales will force them to.
Now ironically enough I never hear anyone bitch about Server 2012, which has the same modern UI, hot corners etc. Server 2012 > Server 2008R2... perhaps that's why?
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Yep its not going away so stop moaning.
As far as I'm concerned set your application defaults to the Desktop ones and the Desktop as the top icon, one press of Enter and you are back to normal.
It isnt hard.
I haven't missed the Start Button either. Since Windows 7 came along I've got used to having all my main software added to the Taskbar. The days of drilling down through menus of folders and sub folders is long gone. Quite why 'advanced users' think that's the best way to do it I don't know. Seems very old fashioned to me.
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Well... how much time do you spend sitting in front of a server 2008R2 console compared to Win7 (or even XP for the diehards)? There isn't as much backlash against Server 2012 because the install base is so much smaller, and we aren't talking about giving the average user Server 2012 on their laptop or desktop.
Personally, after starting to get more familiar with Server 2012... I'll be making a big push in our office to install the core version unless we just have to use a GUI for some reason. Never been a linux fan, but with the management tools provided for Server 2012/Win8 there is very little reason to ever touch the console directly.
As to the full GUI install of Server 2012... from a VM standpoint it still feels really clunky just like Win8. The only difference is that once you get the management console up, you don't really need to drop back and forth between the desktop/metro screens....
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I went ahead and ordered it. I figure $40 is pretty cheap and I suppose it'll be better than re-installing all of my 50000 updates, patches, service packs, etc. if I have to format my PC again. I'm still not a fan of the interface, but I'd assume those UI overhauls should fix that over the coming months.
Wirth'sLaw
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Yep its not going away so stop moaning.
As far as I'm concerned set your application defaults to the Desktop ones and the Desktop as the top icon, one press of Enter and you are back to normal.
It isnt hard.
I haven't missed the Start Button either. Since Windows 7 came along I've got used to having all my main software added to the Taskbar. The days of drilling down through menus of folders and sub folders is long gone. Quite why 'advanced users' think that's the best way to do it I don't know. Seems very old fashioned to me.
It's funny how polarizing the lack of the start menu is. People at my office say "Windows 8 sucks" and when I ask them why they only say "the Modern UI is fucking retarded." Well crafted argument, fellow coworker, keep up the good work.
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I spend considerable time cleaning up the horseshit my predecessors left for me, so those consoles has been where I live (yes, they couldn't do ANYTHING right). I happen to be in the minority there though and won't be living in them forever. After all, who in the fuck carves out a LUN for Home Folder redirection only to find they didn't carve enough, so they make a 2nd parition for Home Folders. Consistency... you gotta love it.
I'm with you on 2012 - if you run Hyper-V then 2012 is an even better roadmap product. Shared nothing "planned failover" feature is nice, especially if you have the hardware and can afford a few minutes of downtime in the middle of the night (assuming the planned failover happens then). That's just one perk, and it's nice for small and medium mostly-Microsft based shops.
Same. I paid a little more for the disc yet still much less than what 7 was selling for. I can't fathom how this pricing makes any sense. I figured they would keep the prices low and maybe try to make up for it with app sales or something along those lines. You've got all this backlash from users, adoption rate is slower than was expected, and the response is to make it more expensive?
Even if you find 8 tolerable, which I do, that's still taking into consideration that it was a lot cheaper at the time than a new 7 license was. There's not a great argument I've seen besides maybe touch functionality that would makes 8 a better overall choice than 7 at like cost, let along any reason to pay to upgrade. PC hobbyists might spend a little to try it out but this almost seems designed to turn customers away.
Even if you find 8 tolerable, which I do, that's still taking into consideration that it was a lot cheaper at the time than a new 7 license was. There's not a great argument I've seen besides maybe touch functionality that would makes 8 a better overall choice than 7 at like cost, let along any reason to pay to upgrade. PC hobbyists might spend a little to try it out but this almost seems designed to turn customers away.
You could have used the new PC upgrade price and bought it for $15; Microsoft doesn't even check for any purchase verification
I might just buy another copy just to keep for future use.
Or perhaps its because A) Server 2012 boots straight to desktop instead of into Metro, B) Windows App Store or whatever they're calling it now is not installed by default -- can I do that in Win8 - uninstall the Windows Store? No. C) Server admins aren't using the console for driving productivity apps 8 hours a day, D) end users on the internet is going to be a much bigger 'bitching' demographic than server 2012 owners
You have to admit, they are probably actually being quite smart. People "in the know" are gonna run out and buy more copies now because the price is going up. People not "in the know" will probably buy it regardless of the price. Then large OEM's, who I'm guessing make up the bulk of their sales, would most likely pay a completely different price again.
Well I've bought a few more upgrade copies today.
Windows 8 will be the standard issue in a few months. 7 will dry up in standard channels and I can then make a bit on top of the cheap copies I've bought up.
My customers dont care what version it is, they will use anything as long as it's Windows and will play the Sims (and not through Wine). They really don't care.
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How do you buy upgrade copies online without doing it on the computer you are going to use it on?
You buy the DVD Pro upgrade (from XP/Vista/7 packs.
That means that 50% of your RAM is being wasted; doing nothing but consuming memory. Unused memory is wasted memory and a good operating system caches stuff in RAM rather than letting it go to waste.
Do you still have to reboot to install Windows Updates or has Microsoft finally fixed their dated architecture in Server 2012?
Just installed Server 2012 on a new box, and I really hate the Hot Corners they copied from Windows 8.
They are almost unusable remotely though the Dell server management card,and even a pain with remote desktop.
Same here, and I assume for alot of people.
Hate the new interface on 2012. Spent way too much time searching for the stuff they moved.
Even after I knew where everything was moved, it took 2x as many clicks to get anything done.
The Hot Corners are real pain with some remote management setups too.
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There are two remote clients for Windows 8, the desktop version and the Metro version and for whatever reason they behave quite differently. If you log into a Windows 8 machine with the Windows 8 desktop remote client and run it full screen the remote client takes over the UI. Hot corners and edge swipes control the remote device, not the local machine. With the Metro client hot corners and edge swipes control the local machine.
Are you just that obtuse or just can't understand plain English?.. He is talking iDRAC (Dell Management) nothing to do with Windows RDP client. Seriously you will go so far to make a shity lame excuse for something completely unrelated?
To the original poster Metro blows especially Charms in any Remote access method. Try it with VNC through RMM like kaseya or enable. Hell doesn't work in MSTSC very well either. I found that VMWare console works the best even compared to MS RDP software. Its a fucking gong show.
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Did you not see the part of his post where he specifically mentioned remote desktop? I never claimed that there not were issues with other remote access clients, however that would be an issue with those clients. The desktop Windows 8 remote client does not have these issues. I would imagine that other clients would not have them either if coded to work with Windows 8.
Learn a few keyboard shortcuts and it's just as efficient as windows 7. Half the people complaining don't like change and the other are pissed because they have to learn something new.
And the other half don't like big chunky touch screen buttons and the other half don't like hybrid interfaces and the other half don't like unnecessarily full screen interfaces and the other half don't want an integrated app store as part of their GUI and the other half wish MS made a full fledged touch UI.
And if those folks set the Desktop as their top icon and set the default apps to the Desktop ones most of them could stop moaning and use 8 just like 7.
On this forum, for a group of folks that take bizarre pride in saying they took a whole week to tweak their ram timings to give them an extra 0.01 fps why they find it so impossible to spend five minutes just tweaking Windows 8 to work better and pretty much the same as 7 in Desktop mode baffles me.
Quit with the false herd-rage guys really.
We aren't living in the days of Win XP any longer here folks. Achieving only 30% ram usage is no longer a number to be proud of. A Good modern OS should be utilizing as much of the available ram as it can while being able to instantly free up ram for other programs as they demand it. It should be doing this in the interest of speeding up the overall experience. So actually the fact that Win 8 is idling so much lower in memory footprint than 7 on your machine is a bad thing.
I love change, but as mentioned many times before and long before Win 8 came out. I am completely opposed to change for the sake of change especially if that change is a worse experience. Win 8 is a huge step backwards in functionality and actually takes more steps to do simple tasks than its predecessor.
It isn't false herd-rage, sorry. The majority of people are completely opposed to it at this point. It is only a few diehards that are in denial that are still supporting this train wreck. The fact of the matter is that the Modern UI is utterly terrible UI design. Shoving a tablet interface on a Non-Touch Device ala desktops and laptops was a design decision that was so stupid it defies belief. One size fits all UI's Don't work. I said this months ago and it is proving to be undeniable at this point. They never worked in the past, and they aren't going to work in the future. A UI is either master of one type of device or mediocre on them all. Not even Apple is dumb enough to try and shove the same experience on their mac users that they do on their iPhone's. This was an incredibly arrogant move by MS and now they are living with the backlash. Corporations hate it, industry analysts hate it, the average user hates it and techs hate it. About the only ones who like it seem to be a select group of users who have apparently been using tablets side by side with their PC since before the x86 platform.
It really is a shame as Win 8 has some nice under the hood improvements. Why they had to cripple the OS with an unspeakably retarded UI with no option to get rid of it is beyond me. Sure it is cheap to install Start8, but the fact is one shouldn't be required to gut the shell of the OS out of the box just to achieve the same basic functionality of its predecessor.
Toggle - Use Modern UI on/off - This gets added in and 90%+ of us instantly stop bitching about Win 8.
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Why such changes occurred? What are they going to try to allege for the non-upgrade versions?
But as I said chap, a couple of minutes tweaking and you don't have to use the Metro UI.
I'll say it again.
You don't have to use the Metro UI. No one has a gun to your head making you use it.
You really don't! So it is herd-rage.
This is the point us so called "Windows 8 zealots" have been trying to state all along. But all we get back is "It's crap! Lalalalalalalaaaaa we're not listening!"
I use Windows 8 but I don't use Metro.
I'll say it again...I dont use Metro!
It powers up, I hit Enter and I'm back in 99% the same setup I have on my Windows 7 machines.
It's head in the sand denial. Quit listening to the dumbass tech journalists with an agenda and just calm down.
As I said most of you will spend days over some pointless hardware tweak of your rig but to spend a few minutes configuring an OS to work like the previous one is just too much effort.