Windows 8.1 update

Removed because it messed up my system.
 
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Please explain why I have a watermark on my desktop then? If they didn't care about it, they wouldn't have made an internal check for it and display a warning it was disabled.
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Obviously there is care, because it will need to be properly implemented, and informing if not, as many things are with computers. As for your system and configuration, that is the end user responsibility; especially, since nothing was given, as in motherboard, to even begin to help you.

From Microsoft:

Why is there a "SecureBoot isn't configured correctly" watermark on my desktop?
Secure Boot helps increase the security of Windows 8.1 and Windows RT 8.1 PCs by stopping unauthorized software from running. If you see a "SecureBoot isn't configured correctly" message in the lower-right corner of the desktop, it means that Secure Boot has either been turned off or hasn't been set up correctly on your PC.

To turn on or set up Secure Boot, you'll need to use the BIOS menu for your PC. Different PCs have different BIOS menus, so contact your PC's manufacturer for instructions.

If you turned off Secure Boot and added your own drivers, you might need to reset your PC to its original state before you can turn on Secure Boot. For more info, see How to restore, refresh, or reset your PC.
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https://www.google.com/search?q=sec...j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn441535.aspx
 
rsbennett00 said:
Windows store still missing 8.1 update. Sigh. It's like MS is trying to protect me from it.
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You need to have update KB2871389 already installed in Win8 to see the 8.1 download. If you've turned off Automatic Updates, go to Windows Update and update Win8 fully, or get that update manually.

There are some editions of Win8 that won't update, like Enterprise, KMS activated, and MSDN ISOs.

Microsoft's "Why Can't I Find The Update In The Store?" article
 
8.1 refuses to acknowledge a lot of the FN functions on my Sager laptop. Odd that it worked in 8, but not in 8.1.

I really wish they would just release 8 with Aero already...
 
This has to be the most fucked up update that M$ has ever put out. It ate every non-native program I had on my laptop, including my microsoft office suite, wtfoverbbq?
 
I think the difference between this update and past updates. Is this update is like installing a new version of windows over an older version. Where as past windows updates don't do that. I got lucky, but I noticed this update did mess up my sound settings.
 
slackerjack said:
This has to be the most fucked up update that M$ has ever put out. It ate every non-native program I had on my laptop, including my microsoft office suite, wtfoverbbq?
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Were you running the 8.1 preview? If so, you were warned ahead of time that the RTM version would erase all apps and settings.
 
Seemed like a pretty straight forward upgrade to me, but then, what do I know? I'm just an end user, not some smart, high powered IT type who needs to roll it out on tens of thousands of machines. Then again, unlike many of these IT types, I can, if asked, actually find my own ass if I'm allowed to use both hands! ;)
 
Shikami said:
Obviously there is care, because it will need to be properly implemented, and informing if not, as many things are with computers. As for your system and configuration, that is the end user responsibility; especially, since nothing was given, as in motherboard, to even begin to help you.



https://www.google.com/search?q=sec...j7&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8

http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn441535.aspx
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There should be an option to disable the watermark for the people that don't want secureboot. There is absolutely no excuse for that.

Not to mention, what about the systems that are too old to have UEFI, let alone secureboot? X58 is not UEFI, yet is still a very viable platform today.
 
Looks like MS updated all of the core "metro" apps this morning. I didn't have time to mess with them much, but the mail app seemed much quicker than it used to be.
 
techie81 said:
You can link to whatever you want, the point remains; MS should have had this update released before the 8.1 launch. Secondly, I don't give two shits about secureboot as I want total control over my system. Third, that PDF read like propaganda - crap.
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http://lucca.hardforum.com/rewrite/...pdf&id=1&match=1&source=none&destination=none

Read this PDF, the conclusion at the end of it follows:

While no single technology can eliminate all security risks, even in the small window of the pre-operating system space, the use of UEFI Secure Boot—along with secure firmware update techniques and measured boot—limits the opportunity for malware developers to attack a system before anti-malware software can be enabled.
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Sound more like common sense than propaganda. There's much said about 8.x's inappropriateness in the enterprise, yet in the enterprise things like Secure Boot are a have to. There are millions of PCs our there that should NEVER allow the end user full control over the device. Even developers where I work aren't given local admin rights directly anymore, we have to use a privilege escalation proxy tool in most cases and where that's not sufficient our standard development tools where needed can run as a local admin and of course the BIOS is locked out and password protected.

Microsoft isn't dictating these things, it's businesses who have to every step to lock down and secure systems or risk breaches that could costs them untold millions.
 
You can link to whatever you want, the point remains; MS should have had this update released before the 8.1 launch. Secondly, I don't give two shits about secureboot as I want total control over my system. Third, that PDF read like propaganda - crap.
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Back in the day booting from multiple HDD's was the norm. However, with virtualization you can boot to your OS of choice and then load many guest OS's. The difference does not really matter much to me anymore. Therefore to many horribly ignorant end users out there secureboot can provide a benefit(s) in which to mainly not infect a system. This is a good move, and sometimes to save the hand you must cut off the pinky-well at east that is what master Po said. This is not like the ACA, which is bullshit without any doubt.

EFI is relatively new in the computer world, and has much to grow and adapt to. So, in my experience and seeing much of the computer world change since it started, I am almost certain that this will change into secureboot 2.0 with four asses.
 
Tsumi said:
What does that have anything to do with what I stated? These watermarks are appearing on all systems without secureboot, whether or not the system supports secureboot or not.
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I don't have the watermarks on any of my systems, whether they support it or not. Not sure what you are saying there.
 
Yeah, not sure where his comment came from, I've installed 8.1 on several systems without UEFI or Secure Boot and there was no watermark issue.
 
heatlesssun said:
Yeah, not sure where his comment came from, I've installed 8.1 on several systems without UEFI or Secure Boot and there was no watermark issue.
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So, since you do not have them that must mean that no one has them, right? Not sure what your point is. This is a well documented issue, now patched by Microsoft.
 
That is not what he said at all, nor what I was saying. I'm saying I went 8.1 on first day and I have not had any of these watermark issues at all on any of the systems in my home. I'm not saying no one else has had them, I was only commenting on Tsumi saying all systems have this issue when mine clearly do not. Wow...
 
ob1 said:
That is not what he said at all, nor what I was saying. I'm saying I went 8.1 on first day and I have not had any of these watermark issues at all on any of the systems in my home. I'm not saying no one else has had them, I was only commenting on Tsumi saying all systems have this issue when mine clearly do not. Wow...
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I think you are hung up on the word "all" when he really should have said many. Many systems that do not have secure boot got this watermark.
 
Kind of natural thing to get hung up on as there is a big difference between "all" and "many" when speaking of a large population as in this case.
 
Shikami said:
Back in the day booting from multiple HDD's was the norm. However, with virtualization you can boot to your OS of choice and then load many guest OS's. The difference does not really matter much to me anymore. Therefore to many horribly ignorant end users out there secureboot can provide a benefit(s) in which to mainly not infect a system. This is a good move, and sometimes to save the hand you must cut off the pinky-well at east that is what master Po said. This is not like the ACA, which is bullshit without any doubt.

EFI is relatively new in the computer world, and has much to grow and adapt to. So, in my experience and seeing much of the computer world change since it started, I am almost certain that this will change into secureboot 2.0 with four asses.
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I'm not sure why you are promoting Secureboot so much but this is Hardforum. A place where booting to multiple OS's is common place. I stand by what I said, secure boot hinders my freedom to experiment with other OS's and it will remain disabled - probably forever. I'm just glad Microsoft decided to patch the stupid watermark. For the people who had it, it was a welcomed fix.

I like to also report that Windows 8.1 is running very smooth with no issues so far. I don't have to see the stupid tiles and it performs just as good or better than Windows 7.
 
heatlesssun said:
Kind of natural thing to get hung up on as there is a big difference between "all" and "many" when speaking of a large population as in this case.
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It was enough for Microsoft to issue a patch outside of their normal patch Tuesday routine. So you can play semantics all you want but obviously there was a lot of people affected.
 
I'm not sure why you are promoting Secureboot so much but this is Hardforum. A place where booting to multiple OS's is common place. I stand by what I said, secure boot hinders my freedom to experiment with other OS's and it will remain disabled - probably forever. I'm just glad Microsoft decided to patch the stupid watermark. For the people who had it, it was a welcomed fix.
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Because you rather act in anger and not see how you truly are acting which causes you to not see that the "problem" is relative to you. I told ya previous: "However, with virtualization you can boot to your OS of choice and then load many guest OS's. The difference does not really matter much to me anymore." I believe the [H] people are waning in the mutiboot via HDD's rather than VHD's; or that time is coming very soon. At least in the field this is how it is.

So, no, YOU THINK that it hinders your freedom. My freedom has never been taken either. I think you are just not up with the times, and how they have changed.
 
ob1 said:
I don't have the watermarks on any of my systems, whether they support it or not. Not sure what you are saying there.
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Huh, I was under the impression that it was something that affected all systems. Guess not, though it doesn't make it any less of an issue that's finally been fixed.
 
I'm on windows 8 now and I can update to windows 8.1 .. if I do update will I have to install my games and such again ?

I really want the DX 11.2
 
Going from 8 RTM to 8.1 RTM via the update preserves everything, no need to reinstall anything.
 
I like the update, with the windows button back, makes it more convenient to get to administrator options but not a noticeably large difference, except with some small performance updates which is very good. I would not go back to 8 due to the good improvements
 
Just noticed my watermark is gone. Must have happened with a recent update, or when I switched video card (?!)
 
Still too scared to upgrade based on the reports that it removed people's programs.
 
Megalith said:
Still too scared to upgrade based on the reports that it removed people's programs.
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By this, do you mean that people that installed 8.1 Preview lost their apps when they upgraded to 8.1? MS clearly and loudly warned users that this would happen before releasing 8.1 Preview, so if people lost programs to that, it's their own fault. if you did not install 8.1 Preview, then upgrading from Win8 to 8.1 will not do that.

If you did install 8.1 Preview and want to keep the apps you installed, there's a workaround.
 
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