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Windows 8.1 Hands-On Preview

yelsewshane said:
Microsoft can take this pos os and stick it where the sun don't shine ! I am not some sheep that will use a main os that is bloated with cloud bs. Heck I won't even use steam or the lates bs office with all that cloud bloat. When I purchase something I want to be able to keep my information private and be able to resell the software. It's this kind of mentality that keeps many people using torrent sites :) Sad nowdays people that actually pay for movies, games, business software etc get screwed over by all the drm and cloud bs. I for one never get screwed if you know what I mean muahahaha
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Wrong, people use torrent cause they would of never bought it in the first place, torrenting something you would not buy.. nice try justifying being cheap :rolleyes:

Support companies you like and pay for things, and dont pay, or torrent things you don't like. simple, i love steam worth every penny i have spent on it.
 
dgz said:
Win XP GUI was pretty terrible. Classic look was so much better.
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The first thing I do when I see XP is flip it to Classic Mode. The Win2K interface was the best Microsoft UI to-date. I hated that they took the classic mode option out of Windows 7. I see no reason to even try Windows 8.x. I don't see any UI improvements over even Win2K unless you have a touch interface. Why can't Microsoft just release a kernel patch for Windows 7 that gives us the improvements of Windows 8.x without the horrid UI?
 
So does this crap still force applications to run full screen?
 
Lorien said:
So does this crap still force applications to run full screen?
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No, desktop apps work as they always have, where you can run them windowed/tiled/fullscreen. Metro apps can run full screen, or split screen, just as they have in windows 8.

If you don't like full-screen metro apps, don't use them. Simple as that.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Yes, that's it. And it worked VERY well.
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Yes, the Start Menu works well in with keyboards and mice but it's certainly not perfect. It's very limiting with user created shortcuts, it can become very difficult to find things as more programs as installed and things can become hidden in deep hierarchies. It is obviously much more compact than full screen Start Screen and that is one area that I think Microsoft could improve on with the Start Screen for those that have a problem with full screen app launchers. But as far as launching apps or efficiency, I don't think the Start Menu has any real advantage. One great thing and the 8.1 Start Screen in Apps is the ability to sort things on the fly by most used and date installed.

Ur_Mom said:
When I hear the general public talk about Windows 8, the 99.99% of issues are because of the lack of Start Button/new start screen. They are upgrading older computers so they don't have to buy a new one with Windows 8. It's not the best plan of action, but if Win8 is doing that to the general public, then it can't be as good as people want to claim it is.
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Yes and no. Yes, the differences in 8 verses prior versions certainly has caused a lot of confusion and that's bad. However, you also see a lot of people who when they actually do get used to it and use it they like it.

Ur_Mom said:
I use Windows 8 and 8.1, and I generally enjoy it. But, I had to force myself to use it without any add-on Start menu. My wife uses Start8. People ask me how to bring Start menu back. It's a big deal that even you have to admit is the biggest hurdle. You spend a lot of time defending the new UI from so many people. You have to admit that if SO MANY PEOPLE are not liking it and so few are defending it that there might be a problem.
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I've simply gotten used to the new UI, keyboards, mice, touch, using Windows 8 on any of those devices is simply natural to me, probably because I spent more time learning thus stuff than critiquing every single trivial matter. I understand that 8 has it's issues, probably see them more that most that complain about 8 bitterly and I never claimed it to be perfect. But people not liking something doesn't mean that it doesn't work nor do what it was intended to do. I don't think anyone, myself included, could use Windows 8 as is, if it were as flawed as some people say.
 
chockomonkey said:
except which competitor has a better offering which people can switch to?
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Previous OS versions.

Windows XP still contends for #1 OS in use.

Windows Vista came out, it had cool features but it wasn't what everyone wanted.

Windows 7 fixed the issues with Vista while keeping the cool features. (It now contends for #1 OS in use.)

Windows 8 came out, it has cool features but it isn't what everyone wanted.

....
 
I just tried 8.1 and I have to say it is a step in the right direction.
 
heatlesssun said:
But people not liking something doesn't mean that it doesn't work nor do what it was intended to do. I don't think anyone, myself included, could use Windows 8 as is, if it were as flawed as some people say.
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Well, some people say it's flawed so much it's unusable. I disagree. It does have it's faults, and those can be irritating. But, it's very usable. I've been using it since early (leaked) beta's, and I've gotten used to it. That doesn't mean I don't run into those faults and annoyances that others have run into. They are still there. Whether I've gotten used to them, learned to live with them, or if they are just very small issues - I don't know.

There are those that say they cannot use Windows 8 at all. I think they are over exaggerating quite a bit on some things. Then, on the flip side of the coin, some people say there is absolutely nothing wrong. I call BS on that, too. Windows 8 is a huge shift in UI from previous versions. It's nice, but it's far from perfect. A lot of good things, but like fine wine and previous versions of Windows, it needs to mature and improve.

I love those live tiles, though.

Off topic - I saw the fish on 8.1 was animated. Is this a return of a form of Dreamscene!? I like it! I want more animated backgrounds now! :)
 
heatlesssun said:
I don't think anyone, myself included, could use Windows 8 as is, if it were as flawed as some people say.
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And that's your opinion. I attempted to use it for three months and ended up frustrated and taking more time to cater to the whims of the OS than it catered to mine. Windows 8 is, for all intents and purposes, unusable for me in comparison to my other options (Windows 7, OS X, and various Linux distros I use). I know of people who use it as their daily driver. I used it for far longer than I should have given the annoyances and frustration it brought to me. Using Windows 8 is just as frustrating and annoying as using anything prior to Vista, if not more so, because it is so bipolar and schizophrenic.
 
anyone know whether a full recovery will bring the system back to 8 or 8.1?
 
heatlesssun said:
Yes, the Start Menu works well in with keyboards and mice but it's certainly not perfect. It's very limiting with user created shortcuts
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Dude, I've been using 8 on my desktop since January and I am ok with it, but stating that Start Menu is limiting while praising the Star Screen is unpleasantly one-dimensional. If it wasn't for that .vbs you provided me, I'd still be suffering with simple things such as being unable to pin a fucking windows setting shortcut anywhere but on the desktop - the last place I'd like it to reside. How is that not limiting?

I am fairly sure not everyone is interested in reading about stock markets, stupid not really configurable sport news, and all kinds of other bs.

I don't mind having this stuff. It's cool. The shortcut thing is pointlessly limiting, though. I can pin "people" but not a fucking setting. Why?
 
Bottom line. Windows 8 could have been a Win/Win! If they had just offered the standard windows style everyone knows & the new UI with all its touch screen style navigation. It was beyond idiotic not to offer both. What is the non touch screen ratio to touch screen capable, the world over? 99.9 to 00.1? This was the typical every other OS flop that MS does.

Icons & swipe this/that work great on my phone, not on my friggen MS/KB desktop nor do I want it, & quite frankly, I do not want or need constantly updating Apps on my non touch screen desktop!!!!! Why the hell not also offer that as an option to those that may want constantly updating "Apps". Again, could have been a Win/Win with "OPTIONS!"

Win 8 could have been a Win/Win but MS phucked it up. 8.1 just doesn't cut it... Its not a fix for the real issue people had with Win 8 which is most people do not have a touch screen & do not like nor want all the Phone style navigation BS!!!!
 
Ur_Mom said:
With Windows 7/8, I haven't had Windows crash on me unless it was hardware related or something I did (play with registry, fuck up drivers, etc..). They are usually fairly stable. I had my first green screen (and I was happy and excited to finally see one!) when I bought a new Lenovo Twist with Win8 preinstalled. Haven't seen it since.

Windows is very stable these days. I expect one or two crashes, especially if you work with them daily. But, it's been over a year and I finally saw my first one? Not bad at all.
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An operating system that requires you to reboot for every insignificant update (as compared to, say, this is not stable.

In addition, I find that there are far more times in Windows where a bad driver causes a blue screen as compared to GNU/Linux where most drivers are developed as part of the kernel as a single unified solution. There is an inherent advantage in having all of your drivers first party.

Eradan said:
People don't like change. Period. See the demise of the file menu when Office 2007 came out. Don't hear anyone complaining about that any more.
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I hear people complain about it all the time. Try working in front-end IT some time.

heatlesssun said:
I don't think that Windows has really been considered a "powerful" UI, not by many OS X users and particularly the Linux community. This like virtual desktops and Expose like functionality have never been in the box for Windows and aren't to this day. The reason why Windows is Windows has never been about the greatness of the UI, it's all about hardware and software support.
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Wrench00 said:
Latitude and Optiplex are not exactly off the shelf. These Custom orders.

Off the shelf = Best Buy, Staples, Futureshop.

Lots of companies still hate ordering from online, they want insta gratification. I don't have the power to tell a company what to do. I make recommendations that's it.
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Dell sells prebuilt ready-to-go Latitudes and Optiplexen. Store bought computers are crap compared to them; there is a reason that the Latitudes and Optiplexen are more expensive and that is because they are made using higher quality components (e.g. high end Latitudes have a magnesium alloy chassis and metal hinge, they use higher quality chipsets and RAM and hard drives from known suppliers rather than simply using the cheapest they could find).

heatlesssun said:
You don't have to use these services. And where exactly is there another cloud service that would install apps and sync settings and all of that in one place for Windows? Does Google or Amazon have such services for Windows?



Your the enterprise server guru, but there seem to be a lot of tools and services that are being made available to manage these things internally: http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/...-s-new-for-the-enterprise-in-windows-8-1.aspx
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I shouldn't have to disable anything. Nothing should be enabled unless I explicitly ask for it to be enabled.
 
Man you "h8rz" (alleged) spend wayyyy too much time talking about Windows 8. I mean, shit, I'm a Win8 developer and even I don't talk about it this much at work.
 
Ur_Mom said:
Well, some people say it's flawed so much it's unusable. I disagree. It does have it's faults, and those can be irritating. But, it's very usable. I've been using it since early (leaked) beta's, and I've gotten used to it. That doesn't mean I don't run into those faults and annoyances that others have run into. They are still there. Whether I've gotten used to them, learned to live with them, or if they are just very small issues - I don't know.
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Ur_Mom said:
I love those live tiles, though.
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Agreed. I guess I don't understand why people think that being able to glance at information that matters to people is a bad thing. Weather, stocks, lottery numbers, etc. It's information that millions of people everyday reference. We've had widgets and gadgets on the desktop for years, I'm not really sure why a system that's less resource intensive and easier to manage is such a bad thing.

Ur_Mom said:
Off topic - I saw the fish on 8.1 was animated. Is this a return of a form of Dreamscene!? I like it! I want more animated backgrounds now! :)
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Yeah, Dreamscene was cool for a while but it was a hog in its, it would probably be better today.
 
PinchedNerve said:
Win 8 could have been a Win/Win but MS phucked it up. 8.1 just doesn't cut it... Its not a fix for the real issue people had with Win 8 which is most people do not have a touch screen & do not like nor want all the Phone style navigation BS!!!!
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This just seems to ignore that the way people use computing devices is changing fundamentally, radically and swiftly. Give me the same thing I've had for 20 years isn't a path to growth or interest in the PC. It's simply maintaining the status quo in a old platform. That's just not good enough.
 
damicatz said:
I shouldn't have to disable anything. Nothing should be enabled unless I explicitly ask for it to be enabled.
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Specious argument. In real enterprise environments USB ports and SD slots are disabled or read only these days, these ports are FAR worse than cloud storage if one is truly concerned about security.
 
come here for information and instead its multi-quote hell. good god.

backbutton
 
Terminus said:
Man you "h8rz" (alleged) spend wayyyy too much time talking about Windows 8. I mean, shit, I'm a Win8 developer and even I don't talk about it this much at work.
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The opponents probably spend more time collectively, but proponents certainly spend more time individually.
 
rei1574 said:
Bought a high end laptop with Win8, played with it for 5 min, and immediately downgraded to Win7. Haven't looked back.

My motto is that "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it"... bad stuff happens when Microsoft tries to be all "cool/hipster" like Mac at the expense of functionality. That is exactly what happened with Windows 8. Total abortion of an OS.
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lolwut? :confused:
 
DPI said:
come here for information and instead its multi-quote hell. good god.

backbutton
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Fun Windows 8.1 fact time. Windows 8.1 Modern UI apps now have the constructs of maximize and minimize. I don't think I've seen anyone else yet pick up on this and it's definitely not obvious but it's pretty slick. If you have two or more Metro apps open on a screen, then dragging an app up down will maximize that app. Click to the top left corner hot corner of the screen and the previous app arrangement will appear. And what really makes this cool is how easy it is to switch the positions of apps and easily resize them.
 
wonderfield said:
The opponents probably spend more time collectively, but proponents certainly spend more time individually.
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heatlesssun said:
Well of course, proponents actually use the stuff.
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These are cheap shot ignorant statements, and you both know it.

The new Metro GUI and Desktop in Win8 is a subjective preference (for those that encounter no software incompatibilities, thus making W8 a no-go in that regard), and especially considering how long the prior GUI style was in use over the number of OS versions it was in, people are just plain used to using that. Now the familiarity is all gone, but MS claimed of the new one being "better, bolder, and easier to use." Well, no, that gamble has backfired and backfired hard for MS.

The only way they have been able to sell as many licenses that they have is because they sold the shit out of them for $15-30 a pop for quite some time from day 1 and offered massive discounts to OEMs to preload it on every computer coming out of the factories. This has, in a great sense, allowed MS to forcibly flood the world with this new OS.

With such radical GUI changes (instead of a logical gradual approach over several Win8.x releases, perhaps) or giving the option to allow users to select Metro or the Classic Desktop/Start Menu/Start Menu as the default boot mode, of course there was going to be heavy negativity towards it.

Remember, we are computer enthusiasts and make up an almost immeasurable piece of the pie chart... the majority is made up of average home and business users that run on an almost autonomous habitual level when they operate a computer. There are some exceptions in that group (those that have been able to or would be able to adapt to W8 easily), but that is another miniscule percentage.
 
^^^ correction:

....giving the option to allow users to select Metro or the Classic Desktop/Start Button/Start Menu as the default boot mode....
 
rei1574 said:
Bought a high end laptop with Win8, played with it for 5 min, and immediately downgraded to Win7. Haven't looked back.

My motto is that "if it ain't broke, then don't fix it"... bad stuff happens when Microsoft tries to be all "cool/hipster" like Mac at the expense of functionality. That is exactly what happened with Windows 8. Total abortion of an OS.
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Agreed, and did the same thing.
 
DejaWiz said:
These are cheap shot ignorant statements, and you both know it.
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The point stands. If one is having technical issues with Windows 8 obviously that's not good but that still means that one isn't using it. While I may talk a lot about Windows 8 it's pretty hard to believe that those that hate it the most are using it on multiple devices constantly. Pretty mutually exclusive things.

"Windows 8 SUCCCCCCCKKKKKSSSSS!!!!! Let me go install it on 4 other machines." Probably not happening don't you think?
 
DejaWiz said:
These are cheap shot ignorant statements, and you both know it.

The new Metro GUI and Desktop in Win8 is a subjective preference (for those that encounter no software incompatibilities, thus making W8 a no-go in that regard), and especially considering how long the prior GUI style was in use over the number of OS versions it was in, people are just plain used to using that. Now the familiarity is all gone, but MS claimed of the new one being "better, bolder, and easier to use." Well, no, that gamble has backfired and backfired hard for MS.

The only way they have been able to sell as many licenses that they have is because they sold the shit out of them for $15-30 a pop for quite some time from day 1 and offered massive discounts to OEMs to preload it on every computer coming out of the factories. This has, in a great sense, allowed MS to forcibly flood the world with this new OS.

With such radical GUI changes (instead of a logical gradual approach over several Win8.x releases, perhaps) or giving the option to allow users to select Metro or the Classic Desktop/Start Menu/Start Menu as the default boot mode, of course there was going to be heavy negativity towards it.

Remember, we are computer enthusiasts and make up an almost immeasurable piece of the pie chart... the majority is made up of average home and business users that run on an almost autonomous habitual level when they operate a computer. There are some exceptions in that group (those that have been able to or would be able to adapt to W8 easily), but that is another miniscule percentage.
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Little "detail" to think about.

If MS did what you suggest and changed the UI little by little.

We would have the "pleasure" of software being around 10years after it was made and people whining about it not working on their new fancy pansy machine. :/

MS doesnt have a "right" choice in this really.

No matter what "path" they take, it will be wrong for some :)
 
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