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Windows 8.1 Hands-On Preview

Qinsp said:
If you work for me, and I find you spending your time tracking the hourly stock prices, you will be asked to go home. You won't need to show up the next day. You are replaceable if you think hourly stock prices are important.
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Well I work at a bank so yeah, stock prices are important to me especially since I work in a risk group that covers loans collateralized by stocks. And if someone did work for you are you going to take away their phones?
 
cyclone3d said:
Most used programs should be pinned to task bar.

Then for the utilities for those programs, and other stuff that doesn't get used that often, they should be in the start menu.

What if you don't know the exact names of the programs and utilities? You go browse for the exe so you can find it?

Makes no sense to remove the start menu.

What about the fact that a lot of programs have utilities and other stuff that they by default make shortcuts for in the start menu? As it is now with Win8, they just all get pushed to the start screen. I have seen programs put 5-10 icons on the start screen. Huge mess.
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1. it takes 5-10 seconds to clean up those extra icons on the start screen after an install
2. a "power user" is likely to use win+"cal"+enter to open up calculator, or win+"put"+enter to open up PUTTY... it takes less than half a second to open programs this way and saves having to put these extra icons on your desktop/toolbar or mouse/click through a big folder structure.
3. There should be various ways to get to things and I agree the start menu should be there for folks who are used to it or like it... no argument there from me
 
heatlesssun said:
Well I work at a bank so yeah, stock prices are important to me especially since I work in a risk group that covers loans collateralized by stocks. And if someone did work for you are you going to take away their phones?
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Still fire you. If hourly stock prices are influencing your work, you're in the wrong line of work.
 
Methadras said:
I like Windows 8, but not enough to move over to it. Skydrive integration is a real problem for me. I want nothing to do with the cloud for as long as I can avoid it.
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You and me both man. I might sound like a tin-foil hat nutter, but I think we are going to get fucked really hard by the "cloud". I think the "cloud" is going to end up being "owned" by just a few corporations and their D.C. dick sucking sycophants and we are going to have a major "situation" where the information on the net won't be "free" any longer. Just like newspapers, radio and TV.
 
Qinsp said:
Megabanks use software for daytrading. Not low level staff.
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LOL! We have stock tickers in the elevators and I'm prohibited from day trading. There's not point in this conversation, you don't know what you're talking about obviously and I've never seen anyone get his upset about things in Windows being installed like solitaire.
 
So, they gave it the Start Button but no Menu? Da fuq? And Win8 remains off of most Enterprise lists of things to migrate to. WTF is MS doing lately?
 
heatlesssun said:
I don't think this would be considered an atrocity by most people:

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I don't think that there would be a consensus about this being so much less atrocious:

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I also wonder why no one ever complained about the Start Menu being full screen.

The Start Screen has a more options than the Menu and Metro apps have the ability to present a lot of information without even having to be launched.
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Depends on how you use it. How I use it the Start screen has far less information on it than the Start menu. I don't need or want details out of individual apps in tiles. I know damn well what the program is and if I want more information I will launch said program. Again if you like it, great I am still just advocating the choice to revert back to a standard desktop productivity environment.

As for aesthetics, obviously personal choice. To me it looks like a My Little Pony named Rainbow skittles shit all over the desktop.

heatlesssun said:
There's more than this but a big one you missed is having the Start Button go directly to the apps screen. And on the Apps screen you can now sort by date installed and most used apps and that applies to both desktop and Metro apps.
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Either way I don't care as the sum difference is zero to those of us wanting standard functionality returned.
 
I keep this "functionality lost" in regards to Win8. Where did it go? I've been using Win8 for a while now and I haven't missed anything.
 
Dekoth-E- said:
As for aesthetics, obviously personal choice. To me it looks like a My Little Pony named Rainbow skittles shit all over the desktop.
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First it's not the desktop, but an overlay. Secondly, it's pretty cool that shit can give you the latest news, stock quotes, calendar events, etc at the press, click or tap of a button.

Dekoth-E- said:
Either way I don't care as the sum difference is zero to those of us wanting standard functionality returned.
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And people clamor to this day about returning the old drop down menus to Office. Had my wife play with this for a bit and she seemed to get it quickly and she's no techie. The bottom line is can people pick up the Start & Apps Screen and run with it. There's enough tweaking here now where that's not going to be a problem. The big issue is it still being full screen I think that's something that just doesn't matter once you get past it.

A bigger issue for desktop only folks will the Search, that does tie in to the new Metro Search Hero. That seems to be about the only time that's beyond dealing with Metro personalization apps that one would ever actually be bought into a Metro app under normal desktop use, assuming of course app defaults are set to the desktop.
 
Trimlock said:
I keep this "functionality lost" in regards to Win8. Where did it go? I've been using Win8 for a while now and I haven't missed anything.
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The only functionality that I would say is lost are desktop app jumplists and other context menu items.
 
Ironically, I now use a Mac for actually getting work done. Windows 8 was just too horrendous to utilize. Windows is just games only now...

Microsoft better watch out.
 
RyanLucier said:
Ironically, I now use a Mac for actually getting work done. Windows 8 was just too horrendous to utilize. Windows is just games only now...

Microsoft better watch out.
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The Windows sucks and I switched to a Mac sentiment has been around for a very long time, it doesn't really matter how Windows is perceived overall since Macs are priced outside of the sweet spot of the mass PC market.
 
heatlesssun said:
The Windows sucks and I switched to a Mac sentiment has been around for a very long time, it doesn't really matter how Windows is perceived overall since Macs are priced outside of the sweet spot of the mass PC market.
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True, but that shouldn't stop MS from borrowing ideas.
 
Heatless, I have to tip my hat to your for hanging in on these Windows Hate cryfests. You're better man than I am because I get pissed off after reading about three posts.

Much of the complaining is either subjective bitching about aesthetics or born of ignorance--like the guy who couldn't find control panel.

At one point I agreed that it would be nice if Microsoft would give users the option to stick with the traditional start menu in Windows 8, but at this point I'm glad they haven't. Because HA HA!
 
KENNYB said:
True, but that shouldn't stop MS from borrowing ideas.
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Also true. But it seems like the sentiment here has nothing to do with Microsoft borrowing ideas but retaining it's own pretty old idea in the form of the Start Menu.
 
heatlesssun said:
The only functionality that I would say is lost are desktop app jumplists and other context menu items.
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I'm not really seeing anything I miss though, personally I'm on Win7, at work im on Win8, and I'm starting to prefer Win8 over Win7. I still don't get a majority of the hate on Win8 other then the typical internet hate twords it.

I've heard some compelling arguments on why people don't want to use Win8, but those are far and few between.
 
Eradan said:
At one point I agreed that it would be nice if Microsoft would give users the option to stick with the traditional start menu in Windows 8, but at this point I'm glad they haven't. Because HA HA!
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Thanks. I like reading through these kinds of threads because I've actually learned a lot about what others think and what actually seems reasonable and what's just bad information, and there's tons of that regarding 8 and most of the people posting here haven't even bothered to take a look at it before going on with the same old remarks.

At this point, it does make more sense for Microsoft to continue down this path and refine what they've started. One big point that Ballmer made today that's not gotten as much attention as I would have thought, he pretty much committed to doing yearly Windows releases. 8.2 or 9 is almost certain for next year. So this is all going to forge ahead probably more rapidly than most were expecting.
 
heatlesssun said:
Thanks. I like reading through these kinds of threads because I've actually learned a lot about what others think and what actually seems reasonable and what's just bad information, and there's tons of that regarding 8 and most of the people posting here haven't even bothered to take a look at it before going on with the same old remarks.

At this point, it does make more sense for Microsoft to continue down this path and refine what they've started. One big point that Ballmer made today that's not gotten as much attention as I would have thought, he pretty much committed to doing yearly Windows releases. 8.2 or 9 is almost certain for next year. So this is all going to forge ahead probably more rapidly than most were expecting.
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I think dealing with end-users all the time just leaves me in a bad mood. If I knew what was good for me I would just avoid this stuff. It's the same thing over and over.

Did not see Ballmer's comments today. Will have to dig them up.
 
Trimlock said:
I'm not really seeing anything I miss though, personally I'm on Win7, at work im on Win8, and I'm starting to prefer Win8 over Win7. I still don't get a majority of the hate on Win8 other then the typical internet hate twords it.

I've heard some compelling arguments on why people don't want to use Win8, but those are far and few between.
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I totally agree, it is mostly a matter of adjustment and I think that's why there's so much resistance to it. Of course things still need to improve and there's still the matter of mixing the desktop and Modern UIs and that is tricky and it's actually changed a lot in 8.1. But solely within the context desktop apps it's pretty much the same Windows as always, just a full screen app launcher. Plus there's the politics of the Windows Store and tighter integration of cloud services which is optional but incredibly convenient.
 
heatlesssun said:
I totally agree, it is mostly a matter of adjustment and I think that's why there's so much resistance to it. Of course things still need to improve and there's still the matter of mixing the desktop and Modern UIs and that is tricky and it's actually changed a lot in 8.1. But solely within the context desktop apps it's pretty much the same Windows as always, just a full screen app launcher. Plus there's the politics of the Windows Store and tighter integration of cloud services which is optional but incredibly convenient.
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Might be convenient for Microsoft to lock you into a platform for a cloud service with no alternative.

I want even start with the Security Nightmare it presents for Enterprises. Microsoft didn't conveniently give Business tools for those "tight" cloud services.
 
Wrench00 said:
Might be convenient for Microsoft to lock you into a platform for a cloud service with no alternative.

I want even start with the Security Nightmare it presents for Enterprises. Microsoft didn't conveniently give Business tools for those "tight" cloud services.
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I wonder if Skydrive can be disabled via Group Policy?
 
Wrench00 said:
Might be convenient for Microsoft to lock you into a platform for a cloud service with no alternative.
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You don't have to use these services. And where exactly is there another cloud service that would install apps and sync settings and all of that in one place for Windows? Does Google or Amazon have such services for Windows?

Wrench00 said:
I want even start with the Security Nightmare it presents for Enterprises. Microsoft didn't conveniently give Business tools for those "tight" cloud services.
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Your the enterprise server guru, but there seem to be a lot of tools and services that are being made available to manage these things internally: http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/...-s-new-for-the-enterprise-in-windows-8-1.aspx
 
ZeroBarrier said:
You must have the same tastes as a 5 yr. old; no offense, but seriously...

It looks no different than anything Fisher Price ever made or as previously stated, a Teletubbies orgy, ewww...
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LOL, I remember when Windows XP was called the Fisher Price interface.
 
heatlesssun said:
You don't have to use these services. And where exactly is there another cloud service that would install apps and sync settings and all of that in one place for Windows? Does Google or Amazon have such services for Windows?



Your the enterprise server guru, but there seem to be a lot of tools and services that are being made available to manage these things internally: http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/...-s-new-for-the-enterprise-in-windows-8-1.aspx
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I'm pretty excited about Microsoft opening up more API's for MDM management by third party companies. They're positioning it well to go after the BYOD crowd. We have a couple Surface Pros we're evaluating at my company. I just put 8.1 on one today and I like what I see so far.
 
Trimlock said:
Borrowing ideas from a MAC? They have taken some ideas from OSX before even Linux, or are you hinting at sticking with their legacy stuff?
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No, I mean borrowing ideas on what makes using a Mac laptop enjoyable.It won't happen because most Windows trackpads are not very large and MS shows little interest in improving the software. I hate reading a Windows laptop review knickpicking the damn trackpad. Although the complaints are valid, I don't like that it's basically the same bugs year after year.
 
bpmurrGT said:
LOL, I remember when Windows XP was called the Fisher Price interface.
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There are a lot of similarities of the beginnings of XP compared to 8. XP had a pretty bad launch, plagued with technical issues and it had a slow adoption rate as well, close to 8's but a bit better, but with the vastly larger PC market of course 8 is blowing past XP's units at the time. It took SP2 to get XP right. Third time's the charm with Microsoft. I would suspect that by this time next year with Windows 8.2/9 they should be able to get past most of the issues.
 
KENNYB said:
No, I mean borrowing ideas on what makes using a Mac laptop enjoyable.It won't happen because most Windows trackpads are not very large and MS shows little interest in improving the software. I hate reading a Windows laptop review knickpicking the damn trackpad. Although the complaints are valid, I don't like that it's basically the same bugs year after year.
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Windows 8 actually works well with good touch pads, good touch pads, the improvements in touch did benefit touch pads, but good touch pad hardware isn't the norm with PCs still unfortunately.
 
heatlesssun said:
You don't have to use these services. And where exactly is there another cloud service that would install apps and sync settings and all of that in one place for Windows? Does Google or Amazon have such services for Windows?



Your the enterprise server guru, but there seem to be a lot of tools and services that are being made available to manage these things internally: http://blogs.windows.com/windows/b/...-s-new-for-the-enterprise-in-windows-8-1.aspx
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not sure what your level of comprehension of enterprise system are but i dont see a single tool mentioned just features. You still are required to have SCCM and you need server 2012 to be in place to adopt features and restrict them. Its most likely you will come up with a windows 8 workstation before a 2012 server is in production. So now you have to spend x amount of hours just to have windows 8 secured.
Its astounding how little you seem to understand the problems of enterprise since you claim to work for a mega bank.
 
Wrench00 said:
not sure what your level of comprehension of enterprise system are but i dont see a single tool mentioned just features. You still are required to have SCCM and you need server 2012 to be in place to adopt features and restrict them. Its most likely you will come up with a windows 8 workstation before a 2012 server is in production. So now you have to spend x amount of hours just to have windows 8 secured.
Its astounding how little you seem to understand the problems of enterprise since you claim to work for a mega bank.
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Why even install Windows 8 in the enterprise right now? Windows 7 is still available for the time being.
 
bpmurrGT said:
LOL, I remember when Windows XP was called the Fisher Price interface.
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It used to be that OS X had the Fisher Price interface. Now it's Windows 8 with the Fisher Price interface and OS X with the powerful, flexible desktop interface.

These are very confusing times indeed.
 
heatlesssun said:
Windows 8 actually works well with good touch pads, good touch pads, the improvements in touch did benefit touch pads, but good touch pad hardware isn't the norm with PCs still unfortunately.
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This is true. You could go on and simply state that good touch hardware in general isn't the norm with PCs.
 
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