Windows 11 May Not Run on Early Ryzen, Threadripper, Skylake-X, or Any Pre-2016 Intel PC

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My new Ryzen computer I just built seems to have the port for a TPM 2.0 module, but didn't come with it.

The old machine I don't think had it at all (8700K). And people scalping TPM modules, this is where we are at.
 
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cybereality said:
My new Ryzen computer I just built seems to have the port for a TPM 2.0 module, but didn't come with it.

The old machine I don't think had it at all (8700K). And people scalping TPM modules, this is where we are at.
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its built into ryzen, just turn it on in the bios
 
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If I install the dev ISO, will I then be able to upgrade the official release or will I need to do a clean set up?

Does anyone know based on past experience?
 
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If I install the dev ISO, will I then be able to upgrade the official release or will I need to do a clean set up?

Does anyone know based on past experience?
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i dont see why not. just install it using its inevitable update/media creation tool.
 
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pendragon1 said:
i dont see why not. just install it using its inevitable update/media creation tool.
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Ok.

I suppose the dev ISO can upgrade an existing Win10 installation and doesn't complain about the TPM. If so, then one could go from WIn10 --> Dev ISO --> Full Version to bypass the requirement
 
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Ok.

I suppose the dev ISO can upgrade an existing Win10 installation and doesn't complain about the TPM. If so, then one could go from WIn10 --> Dev ISO --> Full Version to bypass the requirement
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no, the dev iso is looking for tpm. i just try to upgrade a macmini i have 10 on, its 4tg gen i5 and gets rejected for no tpm or secureboot.
 
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I must mention however that I did see some TPM 2.0 modules sold and these are going for insane prices nearly overnight since the news.
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The good news about that is you've got four years for the prices to go back to normal before Win10 support ends.
 
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1_rick said:
The good news about that is you've got four years for the prices to go back to normal before Win10 support ends.
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I'm sure that support will be just as good as the last few years of Win 7 support when they kept breaking windows update and shoving telemetry crap down everyone's throat while ignoring actual issues that popped up.
 
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I'm sure that support will be just as good as the last few years of Win 7 support when they kept breaking windows update and shoving telemetry crap down everyone's throat while ignoring actual issues that popped up.
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I think this is the most shocking thing about this thread.
We just went through all of this with Windows 7 going EOL in January 2020, and yet the majority of posters here are saying "everything is fine, what's the big deal, just stick with Windows 10, lulz".

I would say that history repeats itself, but wow, within only 1.5 years everyone has apparently forgotten?! :eek:
Everyone always wonders how the megacorps in bad cyberpunk and sci-fi novels have amassed so much power and authority, but this thread pretty much showcases exactly why that happens - too bad this isn't fiction.
 
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I think this is the most shocking thing about this thread.
We just went through all of this with Windows 7 going EOL in January 2020, and yet the majority of posters here are saying "everything is fine, what's the big deal, just stick with Windows 10, lulz".

I would say that history repeats itself, but wow, within only 1.5 years everyone has apparently forgotten?! :eek:
Everyone always wonders how the megacorps in bad cyberpunk and sci-fi novels have amassed so much power and authority, but this thread pretty much showcases exactly why that happens - too bad this isn't fiction.
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You'd better be careful, highlighting the fact people openly reward a vendor they seemingly hate like some vicious Stockholm Syndrome is like diving into a pool of Piranha's wearing a suit made of Bacon.

I'm sure everyone will like their free cloud portal OS where Microsoft will be sure to charge an ongoing fee for anything of relevance.
 
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Wait… what’s happening? I’ve been busy the last week installing Windows 98SE on various retro machines and fighting with Voodoo drivers…

Windows 11 is already giving me the same feeling that Windows Vista did. I’m going to wait and see.
 
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While Microsoft is insisting a TPM 2.0 chip is a baseline requirement for Windows 11, it turns out there is actually a lot of flexibility available to OEMs.

Tom’s Hardware had a look at Microsoft’s 16 page ‘Windows 11 Minimum Hardware Requirements document (PDF), and it notes:

tpm-requirements.png

It states Microsoft will allow “OEMs for special purpose commercial systems, custom order, and customer systems with a custom image” to ship systems without TPM support enabled.

It is notable that some countries such as China and Russia do not allow any systems to ship with TPM at all, and the line makes it clear that TPM on Windows 11 is more a choice Microsoft is making than a necessity without which the OS will be unable to exist.

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-letting-oems-ship-windows-11-pcs-without-any-tpm
 
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I would say that history repeats itself, but wow, within only 1.5 years everyone has apparently forgotten?! :eek:
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It's more comfortable to believe that everything is okay.
People forgot lots of disgusting things MS and other companies did. One example I remember "fondly" is when they broke Windows Update on XP just a few months before the definite EOL date, causing millions of CPU cores around the world to needlessly spin at 100% doing fuck all.
They wouldn't acknowledge the problem for a long time... This is actual real money wasted, all in an era of lots of Prescott cores STILL in business/government environments.
 
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There is something wrong with the requirements.

My Dell laptop has i7-7700 and does not pass PC health check although I have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS. WhyNotWin11 reports that the problem is the processor.

I managed to install the dev ISO in a VMWare virtual machine. the VM reports the same processor and shows TPM 2.0 not avail/disabled.

Looks to me like a mess is building up
 
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michalrz said:
It's more comfortable to believe that everything is okay.
People forgot lots of disgusting things MS and other companies did. One example I remember "fondly" is when they broke Windows Update on XP just a few months before the definite EOL date, causing millions of CPU cores around the world to needlessly spin at 100% doing fuck all.
They wouldn't acknowledge the problem for a long time... This is actual real money wasted, all in an era of lots of Prescott cores STILL in business/government environments.
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I also remember fondly when Windows XP drivers started vanishing from the internet en masse.

I have a Haswell machine that still runs Windows XP (and you can imagine how snappy that thing is). All the components came with XP drivers. I have to guard those CDs with my life because all those drivers got taken down when XP went EOL.
 
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A bit less when you realize Windows 10 support lasts for another 4 years, though.
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That does remove some of the sting, but it's also clear you'll be a second-class user in Microsoft's eyes until you upgrade. I don't know that you'll get major features outside of things like Edge or the Xbox app.
 
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My work PC isn't supported, if mine isn't then most others here are not.

The higher ups will not be happy about this. Could bypass the TPM requirement but again another thing they won't like.
 
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LOCO LAPTOP said:
My work PC isn't supported, if mine isn't then most others here are not.

The higher ups will not be happy about this. Could bypass the TPM requirement but again another thing they won't like.
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Mind you, knowing corporate upgrade cycles, everything will probably be sorted out by the time they're ready to upgrade your PC in 2030.
 
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Have to say...not sure I care just yet.
There will be ways around these things, just as there always has been. It just takes time and some talented people
 
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There is something wrong with the requirements.

My Dell laptop has i7-7700 and does not pass PC health check although I have TPM 2.0 enabled in the BIOS. WhyNotWin11 reports that the problem is the processor.

I managed to install the dev ISO in a VMWare virtual machine. the VM reports the same processor and shows TPM 2.0 not avail/disabled.

Looks to me like a mess is building up
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My Dell laptop (i7-7500U) also has TPM (which is enabled) but the CPU itself isn't supported. My understanding that these were two different requirements. There are supported processors and there is the TPM requirement which are seperate.
 
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While Microsoft is insisting a TPM 2.0 chip is a baseline requirement for Windows 11, it turns out there is actually a lot of flexibility available to OEMs.

Tom’s Hardware had a look at Microsoft’s 16 page ‘Windows 11 Minimum Hardware Requirements document (PDF), and it notes:

View attachment 369981

It states Microsoft will allow “OEMs for special purpose commercial systems, custom order, and customer systems with a custom image” to ship systems without TPM support enabled.

It is notable that some countries such as China and Russia do not allow any systems to ship with TPM at all, and the line makes it clear that TPM on Windows 11 is more a choice Microsoft is making than a necessity without which the OS will be unable to exist.

https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-is-letting-oems-ship-windows-11-pcs-without-any-tpm
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Going to have to get one of those Russian versions then.

I don't want any of that TPM in my OS.

I feel fairly certain all it will be used to is to limit MY CHOICE.
 
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Remember, Windows 10 had an upgrade assistant when it was released that showed some computers were not supported and could not upgrade, yet a clean install worked just fine. I remember specifically in some circumstances were there was not a supported Intel GPU driver, yet when you install there was one.
 
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so i just found that transplanting drives works to bypass the tpm/sb req. i took the i5-6500 ssd and plopped it into a optiplex 390 (i5-2400/8GB/128GB) and it booted right up, no tpm, no secureboot, the same system that the installer refused on fri.

edit: and this morning i found that you can turn off tpm and secureboot after install and it doesnt care.
 
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JoK said:
I've got a laptop with Intel Core i7-7700HQ and in the BIOS there is TRM 2.0 functionality which is enabled.

PC Health Check app says that my system can not run Win 11.

So the processor as minimum requirement seems to take precedence compared to TRM functionality
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I have an i9-7940X and after enabling TMP in the BIOS, it passes the test even though the processor is not supported officially..........
 
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If you have AMD, you just need to turn fTPM on in BIOS
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simple, easy fix ... and that means most folks will be stressing out about it :barefoot:
Relax oh mighty ones ... TPM 2.0 modules in prep for Windows 11

https://www.shacknews.com/article/1...-add-in-tpm-20-modules-in-prep-for-windows-11

but then this:
Thanks to Windows 11, Scalpers Buy Out Add-on TPM 2.0 Modules

Scalping used to be ILLEGAL in the USA but clearly not any more. I feel for all the folks who got arrested for scalping NFL football tickets some years back :eek:
 
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HAL_404 said:
simple, easy fix ... and that means most folks will be stressing out about it :barefoot:
Relax oh mighty ones ... TPM 2.0 modules in prep for Windows 11
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There are also registy keys that disable all these stupid check anyway.

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00
[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\Setup\LabConfig]
“BypassTPMCheck”=dword:00000001
"BypassSecureBootCheck”=dword:00000001

Alternatively you can replace appraiserres.dll on Win11 ISO with the file from Win10 ISO.
 
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ashmelev75 said:
There are also registy keys that disable all these stupid check anyway.

Alternatively you can replace appraiserres.dll on Win11 ISO with the file from Win10 ISO.
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but wouldn't that be hacking? :rolleyes:

at the bottom of the Microsoft New Windows 11 page it says:
"Shop for a Windows 11 compatible PC at these retailers" :LOL:
They have no conscience
 
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JSHamlet234 said:
I also remember fondly when Windows XP drivers started vanishing from the internet en masse.

I have a Haswell machine that still runs Windows XP (and you can imagine how snappy that thing is). All the components came with XP drivers. I have to guard those CDs with my life because all those drivers got taken down when XP went EOL.
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Insert standard comment about how bad of an idea it is to run an EOL OS, any EOL OS, unless it is never connected to any network.
 
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