Windows 11 May Not Run on Early Ryzen, Threadripper, Skylake-X, or Any Pre-2016 Intel PC

Krenum

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Uhh...wtf.

So minimum requirements no longer mean minimum hardware requirements? When PC hardware is at an all time high, Microsoft pulls of this crap?!

I can't say I'm that surprised anymore.

https://www.extremetech.com/computi...eadripper-skylake-x-or-any-intel-systems-2016

From the article:
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According to newly published Microsoft documents, Windows 11 is incompatible with Intel and AMD CPUs sold as recently as four years ago. This appears to be a separate issue from the TPM 1.2 versus 2.0 problems we’ve already discussed.
Microsoft has published a list of minimum CPUs required to run Windows 11 on AMD and Intel CPUs. Here’s a quick rundown of the respective situations:


Intel: No Core CPUs prior to Coffee Lake are currently listed as supported as of 4:30 PM EST on 6/25. This includes all 6th Gen and 7th Gen CPUs. I feel genuinely bad for anyone who bought a Core i7-7700K. No Intel HEDT CPUs prior to Cascade Lake are supported.

AMD: Windows 11 is currently not compatible with any Bulldozer-era CPU. It does not appear to be compatible with first-generation Threadripper systems. The 2400G and 2200G are not supported, although the 3400G and 3200G are. The Ryzen 1700X, 1800X, and all related CPUs are unsupported.
I want to leave room here, explicitly, for the idea that Microsoft is going to add more CPUs to its support list, but the company’s own recent update to its PC Health Check app does make that seem less likely. Microsoft updated its PC Health Check application since we wrote about it last night. We’ve run the test on multiple machines. On some PCs, like my own, the new error message looks like this:
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TPM 2.0 is required to run Windows 11 now. RIP Windows 11 adoptation. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/windows-11-requirements

Way to sabotage your own product Microsoft.
 
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I ran the MS PC Health app earlier and discovered this for myself with a Haswell machine using an i5 4670k. I'm personally fine with switching it over to a flavor of Linux when support for Win 10 runs out, or hell maybe before that.

My concern is finding a version of linux for my mother's desktop (seeing as it has a more recent Pentium, but not recent enough for Win 11) that will play the MS Windows 7 suite of card games and that won't uninstall them at every fucking minor version update. :rolleyes:
 
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i installed it on an optiplex 5040 today, i5-6500/8GB/128GB w/tpm 1.2 and secure boot, and it runs great. BUT they already revised the minimums since yesterdays announcement. so, since its months away, maybe it will get changed again.
Well, thats good to know, because I have a 6700K
 

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Yeah the TPM thing really caught me off-guard. I found the setting on my (new) system to get the CPU-based TPM going, but like.. I have *very* good older computers that Win11 is now possibly dead in the water. Sigh. Not sure what MS's hard-line position on this is all about.
 

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i installed it on an optiplex 5040 today, i5-6500/8GB/128GB w/tpm 1.2 and secure boot, and it runs great. BUT they already revised the minimums since yesterdays announcement. so, since its months away, maybe it will get changed again.
100%. This is MS sticking a toe in the water.

Expect many revisions and backsteps on requirements.
 

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I wonder what feature or ability those CPUs lack?

TPM 2.0 should be motherboard/bios, right?
 

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This is disappointing. I was planning on running Win 11 on my backup rig, which has a 4790K (hell, even the 7700K isn't supported).

I'm going full Linux on my new machine, but I still do need Windows around for testing things, as well as for the online school I'm doing right now.

Another reason that Windows 10 will become the new Windows 7 (even even XP) and I wouldn't be surprised if some people just jump ship to Linux.
 

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This is disappointing. I was planning on running Win 11 on my backup rig, which has a 4790K (hell, even the 7700K isn't supported).

I'm going full Linux on my new machine, but I still do need Windows around for testing things, as well as for the online school I'm doing right now.

Another reason that Windows 10 will become the new Windows 7 (even even XP) and I wouldn't be surprised if some people just jump ship to Linux.

I doubt very much that Windows 10 would be the new Windows 7 nor will people will jump ship to Linux. I have switched to Ubuntu as my daily driver for local privacy and security but, that was a choice I made with objective reasoning. I have just now wiped one of my computers, installed Windows 10 Pro exclusively and am now installing all my games to it.

I tested it and Windows 11 is compatible with it and therefore, I am ready for it. (Ugghhh to the tiles and metro interface of 10, it has become entirely useless now.)
 

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Are we really concerned that win 11 doesn’t work on hardware 5+ years old? Sure, my buddy’s kid’s “new” 980x is probably sufficient horsepower wise for win 11, but I don’t think we really care if it doesn’t work either.
 

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Does anyone know if MS is going to put Bitlocker on Win 11 Home by default? I think they want the TPM 2.0 thing for Spectre/Meltdown protection, as well as disk encryption, just like Apple does with the T2 chip. MS doesn't control the hardware, so they need to put a certain condition on Windows instead. This could be very bad though as when an Apple with a T2 chip goes bad, your data is HOSED.
 

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So this is more of a Meltdown , Spectre thing.
Not quite, win 11 does a lot of internal application sandboxing and TPM 1.2 does an OK job of that but 2.0 does it much much better. Honestly I would prefer them only using 2.0 and not having support for 1.2 as 1.2 had too many “optional” components where 2.0 is pretty hardline on what must be there.
 

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Was reading a bit on the TPM but I'm a bit sleepy and don't think what I read really sank in.

You need an actual module on the board apart from just being "TPM version x ready"? If yes, I don't think that will do wonders for MS's Win11 adoption strategy.

Edit: Looks like new AMD boards have firmware TPM which means no need of a chip. I've read rumblings that recent intel boards also carry this.

Do all AMD/Intel boards past a certain generation support firmware TPM?
 
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I ran the MS PC Health app earlier and discovered this for myself with a Haswell machine using an i5 4670k. I'm personally fine with switching it over to a flavor of Linux when support for Win 10 runs out, or hell maybe before that.

My concern is finding a version of linux for my mother's desktop (seeing as it has a more recent Pentium, but not recent enough for Win 11) that will play the MS Windows 7 suite of card games and that won't uninstall them at every fucking minor version update. :rolleyes:
If you're still running that CPU when w10 support runs out, you have bigger problems, it's like 4 or 5 years away.
 

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My concern is finding a version of linux for my mother's desktop (seeing as it has a more recent Pentium, but not recent enough for Win 11) that will play the MS Windows 7 suite of card games and that won't uninstall them at every fucking minor version update. :rolleyes:

Use a distro with LTS branches, or known to support releases for a long period of time. Ubuntu has LTS releases, OpenSUSE has long support cycles as well. If you use the XFCE DE, you can make it look like classic Windows if she has trouble with the desktop layout. But whatever you go with, it won't be like Windows 10, which arbitrarily removes features and replaces them with candy crush friends.

Are we really concerned that win 11 doesn’t work on hardware 5+ years old? Sure, my buddy’s kid’s “new” 980x is probably sufficient horsepower wise for win 11, but I don’t think we really care if it doesn’t work either.

Yes, it's more artificial obsolescence bullshit. We've had quad core CPUs for more than a decade, there's absolutely no reason anything from the Core 2 Quad / Phenom x4 onwards should be locked out just because they're old. When an OS requires a CPU less than 5 years old, it means that it was built by incompetent morons who have an ulterior agenda, like greasing the palms of the OEM x86 PC vendors. You don't need a less than 5 year old PC to do mundane tasks, like office work or browsing social media feeds.

People will definitely start caring when Microsoft starts locking out Windows 10 users with features only introduced on Windows 11. They've already done it extensively in Windows 10, removing programs and features that have been in the OS since some of the very first versions and replacing them with cancerous ad filled versions, or removing them entirely.
 
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Are we really concerned that win 11 doesn’t work on hardware 5+ years old? Sure, my buddy’s kid’s “new” 980x is probably sufficient horsepower wise for win 11, but I don’t think we really care if it doesn’t work either.

It's stupid. Not everyone upgrades just for the sake of upgrading. My overclocked i7 5960X and Ryzen7 1700 will both bench at 70% of a brand new 11900K, but they're not fast enough for Windows 11? Yeah, OK.
 

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If this stays as an actual requirement, I can see someone coming up with a way around it.

Final requirements will probably not require tpm 2.0 but will be recommended.
 

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Both of my Ryzens have the TPM error, but my Plex Server requires Secure Boot,
It's an old i7 4770 with a Sabertooth Z87,

Plex-Windows-11-Health-Check.jpg
 

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Considering operating systems are only ~10% of Microsoft's current portfolio and profit margin, it would appear that they do not care who it will negatively impact in regards to their customers.
Microsoft truly is a megacorp which has now fully embraced Corporatism in every way possible; anyone in the Microsoft camp can legitimately no longer complain about Apple in any facet.

Marketing: We are trimming legacy code and making our OS more efficient with modern processors in mind.
Reality: We will only code for the latest CPU microarchitectures because we are too incompetent to support any "legacy" CPUs due to severe instability in our kernel and codebase.
 

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Considering operating systems are only ~10% of Microsoft's current portfolio and profit margin, it would appear that they do not care who it will negatively impact in regards to their customers.
Microsoft truly is a megacorp which has now fully embraced Corporatism in every way possible; anyone in the Microsoft camp can legitimately no longer complain about Apple in any facet.

Marketing: We are trimming legacy code and making our OS more efficient with modern processors in mind.
Reality: We will only code for the latest CPU microarchitectures because we are too incompetent to support any "legacy" CPUs due to severe instability in our kernel and codebase.
Or.. there was a world wide pandemic and we need didn't make any money so we need to create a market.

Edit: Of course Microsoft made a ton of money because of the pandemic, so there's that. Regardless, the move is incredibly suspicious.
 
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I think it is foolish to judge a final product by a leaked pre-release intended for god knows what purpose, a half a year before launch?

I think the "sky is falling" posts are a little early.

A TPM requirement - if in the final product - is a bit shitty. While I'm sure it is useful for some things, it will open the door to a ton of difficult to defeat DRM bullshit that will make everyones lives more difficult.
 

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The hardware requirements are official as per Microsoft's website.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/windows-11-requirements

Well, thats a bummer.

I guess if one positve of this is it might drive mass Linux adoption, as people who are not ready to upgrade their hardware once Win 10 goes EOL look for alternatives.

That said, Win 10 isn't supposed to go EOL until 2025, at which point the youngest of these unsupported chips will be 8 years old.

So maybe not "mass adoption" but certainly an uptick?
 

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The hardware requirements are official as per Microsoft's website.

https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/whats-new/windows-11-requirements


This is also a deal breaker for me:

"Windows 11 Home edition requires an Internet connection and a Microsoft Account to complete device setup on first use."

There is no way I envision ever signing up for a Microsoft account and tying my computer to any online service. My computers are local devices and local devices first and foremost, independent of any online service, and if I can't have that, then I'll just opt out.

Hopefully this won't apply to "Professional" editions that us mere mortals can still buy without being backed by Enterprise/Educational mass licensing. If it does, this may be the thing that makes me get rid of windows completely for good.
 

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I honestly don't mind having the Microsoft account, that isn't a huge deal.

What drives me nuts is OneDrive, even after disabling it, still is running in background saving files I didn't ask it to save.

Also Skype and Teams and all that nonsense that just won't go away. If I want to use an app, I will install it.
 

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So what I can tell thus far, Windows 11 is just windows 10 made to look more like OSX (which I already hate) and introducing a bunch of features which range from meh to "I hate it", and at the same time adding a bunch of restrictions we didn't have before.

Honestly, why would I "upgrade"?
 

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Running a 7700k. I don't have any reason to upgrade, honestly, as all my gaming occurs at 2560x1080. I've looked for a lot of reasons to switch to Linux and if Win11 becomes the norm I think I'm going to step away from windows. I haven't played a single AAA title that I truly enjoyed since GTA V. I doubt I'll miss the next set of bait and switch titles.
 

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It's stupid. Not everyone upgrades just for the sake of upgrading. My overclocked i7 5960X and Ryzen7 1700 will both bench at 70% of a brand new 11900K, but they're not fast enough for Windows 11? Yeah, OK.
Nothing to do with speed but the TPM 2.0 instructions you lack for sandboxing applications.
 

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Seems pretty arbitrary and egregious. Why not release two versions? Because nobody would buy the more secure version and it wouldn't be cost effective for Microsoft?

After all, how is Microsoft going to pay their employees their very handsome salaries for their amazing talent and abilities? How will their top employees afford their yachts otherwise?

Of course, these are rhetorical questions. Microsoft is definitely pushing planned obsolescence, and it looks like it's going to happen even faster than what people are used to.

Also, forcing people to sign into Windows 10 will be a nightmare for a lot of people. Microsoft hates their customers, and their customers hate them. But Microsoft loves their money, and Microsoft can appear to be the lesser of two evils when compared to Apple.
 

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I honestly don't mind having the Microsoft account, that isn't a huge deal.

What drives me nuts is OneDrive, even after disabling it, still is running in background saving files I didn't ask it to save.

Also Skype and Teams and all that nonsense that just won't go away. If I want to use an app, I will install it.

Have you tried uninstalling it? Surprisingly you can do it, OneDrive is not a core component but a bundled software.
 
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