Windows 11 available on October 5

trick0502

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Dat L3 boost!

ETA: what's current version of 10 look like in comparison?
i should be getting my other nvme back from rma this week. when that comes in i will reinstall 10 on that.

Is the beta and non beta picture reversed, or that mean that going from beta to non-beta Windows 11 L3 cache management became terrible ?
they arent reversed. it went from mb to gb.
 

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Is the beta and non beta picture reversed, or that mean that going from beta to non-beta Windows 11 L3 cache management became terrible ?
Yes, the launch versions of the AMD drivers paired with some last-minute changes to Microsoft security to fix other issues broke the AMD CPPC2 driver, so they got to work on putting out a fix which has already been rolled out to OEM's for integration into their drivers and should be appearing into Windows update in the next few days if it isn't there already.
 

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7 work if installed from an ISO, but is not offered the upgrade. But your better off Intel series 4-7 lack some features so win 11 software emulates them and tanks performance by as much as 20% if you encounter a scenario that requires them.
I'm willing to accept that for the additional battery life it gives me with 11 I've noticed. It is installed now on 11. Working good so far.
 

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If you run nonsupported hardware on 11 you wont get security updates either....or any updates
 

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M$? What year is this? :p
Whenever I see that, I think of this:

pa-m-dollar-sign.jpg
 

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If you run nonsupported hardware on 11 you wont get security updates either....or any updates

I'm running Windows 11 on over 15 computers. Only one actually meets the requirements, all others used various methods to bypass the requirements. Every single update that my supported system has got, all of the others have got also. This includes the computers that are over 15 years old. Why come on here and give bad information when you clearly have zero clue what you are talking about?
 

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I have an Intel 6700K system with an Asrock Z290 motherboard that has a TPM 2.0 module and meets every requirement except MS flags the CPU as not supported. Do I have to install a clean copy or can I just update? If I can update how can I do that when it says not compatible?
 

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I have an Intel 6700K system with an Asrock Z290 motherboard that has a TPM 2.0 module and meets every requirement except MS flags the CPU as not supported. Do I have to install a clean copy or can I just update? If I can update how can I do that when it says not compatible?
download the iso, run setup, click ok to warning about "may not" get updates.
 

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I have an Intel 6700K system with an Asrock Z290 motherboard that has a TPM 2.0 module and meets every requirement except MS flags the CPU as not supported. Do I have to install a clean copy or can I just update? If I can update how can I do that when it says not compatible?
You won't get the auto-update, and the upgrade tool won't work, but you can do it manually (and still keep your files without a full reinstall).

See the instructions I posted here: https://hardforum.com/threads/windows-11-available-on-october-5.2013419/page-13#post-1045166571
 

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To be fair, Microsoft themselves did say you might not get updates.
Yes, they did say that in writing. However, they have been pushing for security, and it makes no sense as a business to withhold security updates from customers (even if they are "unsupported" they are still paying customers).
 

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Yes, they did say that in writing. However, they have been pushing for security, and it makes no sense as a business to withhold security updates from customers (even if they are "unsupported" they are still paying customers).
I agree. It seems unlikely they'll refuse security updates. But quoting the official position is hardly spreading disinformation.
 

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Yes, they did say that in writing. However, they have been pushing for security, and it makes no sense as a business to withhold security updates from customers (even if they are "unsupported" they are still paying customers).
What do you consider a "paying customer" years and years after release of software that isn't part of a subscription. I am curious.

We talking ELA with MS? Or other? They aren't beholden to anyone to update patches, other than their own "goodwill", to anyone who isn't on their supported OS.
 

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What do you consider a "paying customer" years and years after release of software that isn't part of a subscription. I am curious.
I've bought probably like 10 or 15 keys for Windows 10 for my various computers. Granted, I don't buy full retail price, but I'm sure MS gets some money from that.

Plus whatever money they make selling private info they gather, or pushing ads in Bing in the Start Menu, or whatever. They have to be making something off everyone.
 

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Well everyone keep saying even though microsoft requires hardware TPM and certain CPUS, that they still installed it on any old system and it works fine. What was the point of new security standards for windows if everyone ignores them?
 

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Well everyone keep saying even though microsoft requires hardware TPM and certain CPUS, that they still installed it on any old system and it works fine. What was the point of new security standards for windows if everyone ignores them?
Because everyone doesn't ignore them. All new PC's sold with Windows 11 adhere to these standards.
 

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All new PC's sold with Windows 11 adhere to these standards.
Will you be able to (for example) disable the TPM in the BIOS? I would guess for prebuilts the answer could well be "no". I wonder about standalone components.
 

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I updated to Windows 11 a couple weeks ago and have had zero issues outside of having to run an update twice for my icue software. All the crap articles made points about before the release have proven to be total nonsense or massive exaggerations.
 

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Well everyone keep saying even though microsoft requires hardware TPM and certain CPUS, that they still installed it on any old system and it works fine. What was the point of new security standards for windows if everyone ignores them?

Microsoft doesn't care what enthusiasts do with their own computers, and their disclaimer makes it clear that people are on their own if things don't work correctly on unsupported hardware. The security improvements are largely for the benefit of computers in a corporate or government setting that are potentially handling sensitive information. It really doesn't matter much if you are just gaming and surfing the web. I would bet that the overall percentage of people that will be running Windows 11 on unsupported hardware will be rather tiny in the grand scheme of things. Most non-enthusiast users don't go out of their way to upgrade their OS and just use whatever is already on the computer until they replace the computer, and Windows 10 is still supported for 4 more years.
 

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After using a couple beta/test versions, I think it's half baked. Lots of things feel unfinished and unpolished. At least one of their big selling points (Android app support) won't be there at launch, either. Who knows if/when it will show up, too. I liked what I saw in their early announcement videos, but I'm far less impressed with the reality of it.
Yeah, but it looks freakin' awesome :)
 

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I updated to Windows 11 a couple weeks ago and have had zero issues outside of having to run an update twice for my icue software. All the crap articles made points about before the release have proven to be total nonsense or massive exaggerations.
Ive been running the dev beta, then the beta, then the early adopters beta, and now the final with zero issues.

If I had a major complaint it's that the preferences system is 10 feet wide and 1 inch deep in presentation/user interface.

And I'm running it on my 2020 Lenovo Legion 5 AMD 4800H/32GB/4TB/15" Gaming machine (which is by far the fastest PC Laptop I have ever touched).
 
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https://www.neowin.net/news/android-apps-on-windows-11-preview-announced-for-windows-insiders/

At least it seems like Android app support might not be that far off. With so many of MS's new apps being pretty weak, I look forward to (hopefully) using Google's Gmail, Calendar, etc. apps instead.
Multimedia is where I really, really want something new, though. Outside of Netflix, the Windows streaming apps are junk. And that assumes they even exist. There aren't any apps for services like ESPN, Discovery, HBO Max, etc.
 

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https://www.neowin.net/news/android-apps-on-windows-11-preview-announced-for-windows-insiders/

At least it seems like Android app support might not be that far off. With so many of MS's new apps being pretty weak, I look forward to (hopefully) using Google's Gmail, Calendar, etc. apps instead.
Multimedia is where I really, really want something new, though. Outside of Netflix, the Windows streaming apps are junk. And that assumes they even exist. There aren't any apps for services like ESPN, Discovery, HBO Max, etc.

There's a bunch of smart home apps from Android I want on my PC thanks to this
 

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I'm running Windows 11 on over 15 computers. Only one actually meets the requirements, all others used various methods to bypass the requirements. Every single update that my supported system has got, all of the others have got also. This includes the computers that are over 15 years old. Why come on here and give bad information when you clearly have zero clue what you are talking about?

I'd say let's revisit this response in a year or so... Windows 11 has been out for one whopping MS patch Tuesday cycle 🤣
 

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I'd say let's revisit this response in a year or so... Windows 11 has been out for one whopping MS patch Tuesday cycle 🤣
he knows. we're the ones that were reminding people of that from the get go, we are also the ones that have been running since day one....
 
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