Win 10 Poll Kept it Or Ditched it

Discussion in 'Operating Systems' started by SpongeBob, Oct 22, 2015.

Win 10 Poll

Poll closed Dec 21, 2015.
  1. I love it, I'm keeping it.

    124 vote(s)
    58.8%
  2. I hated it, keeping win 7

    54 vote(s)
    25.6%
  3. I haven't tried it but I'm going to tell you what I think anyway.

    33 vote(s)
    15.6%
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  1. Comixbooks

    Comixbooks Ignore Me

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    Edge Browser is my biggest concern lack of bookmark options and colors.
    I actually missed the Task Bar it's Handy for opening Fraps in games if you forgot to load it before playing.
     
  2. flu!d

    flu!d Gawd

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    I haven't used a MS browser in years.

    Many prefer Chrome, but I've always stuck with Mozilla and it works well for me across a variety of platforms.
     
  3. Modred189

    Modred189 I'm Smarter Than You

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    I'm liking Edge on my Surface 3. Now, I only use it for work browsing, i.e., where add-ons and the like are not useful or necessary. I HAVE found many uses for the ability to take notes on a web page and then send it to One Note. THAT is a very powerful use scenario.
     
  4. NukeULater

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    I was initially excited for windows 10. But with all of the data mining, lack of privacy, cortana and the other useless modern apps I probably will not ever bother installing this operating system. I've already turned off updates for my windows 7 pro installation and will be very selective when it comes to updates. I would consider running an enterprise edition if the mining can be turned off. If it doesn't I'd rather run vista at this point.
     
  5. HvyMtl

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    The things I like about 10: The merging of 7 menu with the 8 menu. Ease of use.

    The things I do not like about 10: Privacy Issues: What are you tracking, and why aren't you telling me? What do you mean I cannot turn off the "phone everything home to Microsoft?" What do you mean it is not HIPAA compliant? What do you mean I am "on my own" about privacy issues... Issues which can get me fined big money. Wait, there is a speed increase on boot, but basically put, the OS performance is the SAME as 7/8? If I wanted Siri, or a knockoff thereof, I would own an Apple Phone. Why the H E double hockey sticks are you UPDATING NOW, when I am trying to play my game/download/use my PC? Stop downloading that broken driver, I just removed it... 3 times already.
     
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  6. pbassjunk

    pbassjunk Limp Gawd

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    Ditched it, went back to 8.1 solely because of the explorer cascading window bug. Never knew how OCD I really was until this largely trivial annoyance.

    and no, shellfolderfix doesn't fix it.
     
  7. Domingo

    Domingo [H]ard as it Gets

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    If Edge had adblock and could keep my bookmarks in order (they're backwards) I'd have no problem using it. It's otherwise pretty functional.
     
  8. AndreRio

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    I like it and am keeping windows 10. but seriously I liked how windows 7 looked.
     
  9. SuperSubZero

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  10. chenw

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    If privacy is indeed such a concern for MS, then why are they making gathering telemetry data from their windows compulsary?

    I have no problems with them collecting data for their own use, what I have a major problem is that I can't completely switch it off, and what grinds my gears is MS saying it CAN'T be switched off.
     
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  12. AndreRio

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    people are being assholes I think. what reason now is there for not upgrading!?
     
  13. Nenu

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  14. flu!d

    flu!d Gawd

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    Because a great many people value their privacy and believe an operating system should be no more than just an operating system. With the limited exception of debugging there is absolutely no reason whatsoever why any operating system should need to send data back to the manufacturer.
     
  15. AndreRio

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    It always did. whats changed now is not them, its us!!!
     
  16. dr.stevil

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    Still on the fence about it. My desktop is running Windows 7, but my Laptop is running 10. Not 100% sure if I'm going to stick with it or go back to 7 yet. I probably wont be upgrading my desktop regardless. While 10 has a lot of nice features... the annoyances, instability and security/privacy concerns make me want to jump ship
     
  17. HvyMtl

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    Several.
    I fix computers for part of my living. On average I have 3-4 people a week, coming into the store with broken computers. Why are they broken? Because they clicked on "Upgrade to Windows 10." Broken? How so? Like turn it on and get a blank screen, broken. Like, format and reinstall the OS level broken.
    This happens on all brands. ALL BRANDS. Particularly with Windows 7 machines.

    The "screening" Microsoft does during the upgrade is insufficient. It does not find all of the driver issues. It does not check to ensure the OS is not already virused, compromised, or corrupted. It does not check to see if all the 'updates' required to completely install 10 are on the old OS.

    So, basically, to fix it, I have to hope this "Joe Average" person backed up their important files beforehand, and have access to reinstall all the programs and apps. I also have to hope the recovery partition is still there, and not written over, or they had the forethought to create a recovery disk(s) or usb thumbdrive.

    Hey, you love your Scanner? Your Printer? How your Sound Card presently sounds? Upgrade to 10, and they may not work properly, or at all. (Yes, the software for sound cards are tricky, that specific software installed by your OEM, so it sounds better? Kiss it good bye.)

    You want to upgrade that Laptop? Love the use of the special buttons for sound, playing the CD/DVD, and turning on your Wifi? Then, do not upgrade.

    You have a Sony? DO NOT DO IT. Even Sony states they do not have the proper drivers to upgrade to 10.

    So, if you have very little idea about the OS. DO NOT UPGRADE. Or, you can come see me, and I will charge you a lot of $ to fix it.

    This, plus the aforementioned privacy issues with the OS? Yeah, do not do 10, unless it comes installed on the PC, and you don't care Microsoft is sharing your porn habits with advertisers and law enforcement.
     
  18. chenw

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    Anyone know of a good software that allows me to clone an entire SSD and restore easily? I am planning to migrate to Win 10 proper, now that I have solution to pretty much most of the problems I can find with win 10, but I want to keep my original Win 7 system intact just in case something goes awry (I run Enterprise so I have no problems with license, as they are completely separate).
     
  19. ThreeDee

    ThreeDee [H]ardForum Junkie

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    I have thrown Windows 10 on old DDR Intel 945G Chipsets to LGA 1150 setups .. and all are running really well. I had an issue with an Audigy card on my wife's setup using Creative's windows 7 drivers .. switched to kX Project drivers and haven't had a problem since .. I've been impressed on some riggs with Windows 10 having the driver ..

    One thing of note though, You'll get no love for Intel video drivers for old setups like Intels 945G chipset .. you'll have to throw in a video card of some kind.(fortunately I had a 9800gt laying around for that build).

    I'm digg'n Windows 10 .. everything that I do, just works.
     
  20. Deadjasper

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    Why is it that some people aren't concerned about their privacy at all ?
     
  21. Nenu

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    Some are paid to give a pro stance, some like to stir the pot, some have a screw loose.
     
  22. Mohonri

    Mohonri [H]ardness Supreme

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    I've used EaseUs Todo Backup a lot lately--very easy to use. A linux live cd will also have tools to do it.
     
  23. ManofGod

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    Concerned, yes, going around in a panic, no. Sorry but, I have discovered on these forums, folks usually take such an extreme that it quickly becomes not relevant. Proof is truly required and not sensationalism and inflammatory headlines.
     
  24. pbassjunk

    pbassjunk Limp Gawd

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    from another thread:

    "By default Windows 10 Home is allowed to control your bandwidth usage, install any software it wants whenever it wants (without providing detailed information on what these updates do), display ads in the Start Menu (currently it has been limited to app advertisements), send your hardware details and any changes you make to Microsoft and even log your browser history and keystrokes which the Windows End User Licence Agreement (EULA) states you allow Microsoft to use for analysis."
     
  25. GotNoRice

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    1. Because once you turn off the options that are clearly presented to you, it really doesn't collect that much meaningful data.

    2. Facebook, Google, Apple, etc already collect much more data, and are in a position to collect data that is just as personal/private if not more. No one cares. Why the double-standard for Microsoft?

    3. Almost every website "reporting" on this spouts nothing but tinfoil-hat style unsubstantiated bullshit, topped off with a click-bait title like a cherry on top, making sure as many gullible people are taken in as possible.

    Interesting. I have an older computer that was given to me, I upgraded it from a single-core celeron to a Q6600. It's running 965 chipset IIRC, and Win10 had native drivers for the onboard video. I guess that must be near the cutoff.
     
  26. SuperSubZero

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    Ironically all this fear mongering has only dulled any sort of concern I may have had. I think the sheer number of people with flaming pitchforks has convinced me that this is really over the top.
     
  27. heatlesssun

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    With Facebook now at over a billion daily users, with billions of smartphones out there, with countless apps and services out there, all collecting and sharing personal data, right or wrong, concerned or not, clearly these practices are widely accepted. Many would say that they are vital to the future of computing as devices do get more personal with the leverage of personal data.

    But in Windows 10, according to Microsoft, all of the sharing of personal data can be turned off, there are nearly two dozen toggles that control all of that. The only thing that cannot easily be turned off is the basic telemetry, which according to Microsoft, doesn't collect personal data or personally identifying information.

    So it's one thing to be concerned and another to just make up whatever facts you want and then say Microsoft is guilty until proven innocent, which is a bar so high that critics would never be pleased with anything Microsoft tried to do to "prove its innocence."

    Where were all of these people as Google and Facebook and Apple and others began to leverage personal data in their products? Where was all of this nerd rage against smartphones or Google search? Sure there were some complaints but people kept right on using these things. Maybe they tweak this thing or that to supposedly enhance their privacy, but they are still benefiting from the services and the people that aren't blocking anything.
     
  28. Deadjasper

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    America is lost. Americans are blind. Hope all of you enjoy your Orwellian future. :rolleyes:
     
  29. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    Most of the computing population that share aren't American. Windows 10's growth is highest in Western Europe.
     
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    More than once on this forum I have seen Americans telling another person to be careful of what they say in public forums because they are being watched and had said something anti-American. Land of freedom? pfffft!
     
  31. pbassjunk

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    Now that the Fall Update is being released could someone comment on whether the cascading Explorer window bug is fixed?

    (open then close the explorer window. the next time you open it it shifts to the right and down cascade style. repeat until OCD makes you want to suck a bullet)


    (here's a demo video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=32&v=4uoFuVtqKdY
     
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  32. VanFanel89

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    What's the general consensus here for those who are upgrading from Windows 7 or 8/8.1 - leave the upgraded 10 version or do a clean install after upgrading?
     
  33. heatlesssun

    heatlesssun [H]ard as it Gets

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    I've done it both ways across a number of devices and can't say I've noticed any difference. It shouldn't matter in theory. But blowing everything away and starting clean is often a good thing just to clean up junk.
     
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    Indeed. The PC in question is a gaming box - it doesn't really have much on it except... well, games lol.
     
  35. Deadjasper

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    I still have it loaded on a spare comp so I can play around with it. I'm getting these random hesitations with hourglass that leads me to believe it's doing something behind the scenes. The comp is plenty fast, 3.8ghz cpu, 16gb ram and a 256gb SSD. I'm not convinced spyware and telemetry are turned off / blocked completely. I believe MS was made it so it can't be fully disabled. Some may be OK with this but I'm not.
     
  36. zorobabel

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    I forgot to check it on one laptop that I know did it.
    On another workstation 10586 doesn't cascade windows (but I don't know if it did on 10240)
     
  37. chenw

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    People who put their data onto their cloud storage, social media sites etc, often do so on their consent, and most of these are done with complete user control (IE can fully disable cloud storage, can control what detail to put in etc).

    Win 10 telemetry data is a different matter. There is no possible way to disable it without using third party software.

    The difference between the two is consent and control, one has both, the other has neither.

    So this is not McCarthyism. Not by any stretch.
     
  38. RaZoRbLaDeD

    RaZoRbLaDeD Gawd

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    My gf accidentally updated to Windows 10 on my alt rig...can't say I like it.

    Windows 7 4 lyfe
     
  39. DPI

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    Nailed it.
     
  40. SuperSubZero

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    Not at all.

    The perceptions are:

    - Microsoft is collecting "telemetry" which is their fancy buzzword for MY PERSONAL DATA.

    - Microsoft isn't telling us what they are collecting, therefore it must be nefarious.

    However, Microsoft has in fact been pretty open about what they collect:

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-10/online-services

    https://technet.microsoft.com/library/mt577208(v=vs.85).aspx

    https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/privacystatement/


    It's not exactly secret. Yes it's typical Microsoft legalese that doesn't make much sense, but there it is.

    This heads right into the next argument: MS are in fact a bunch of liars, they aren't telling the truth, and they are collecting far more information (MY PERSONAL DATA) then they are letting on, without any mechanism to disable it (since there should be an easy way to tell MS to stop secretly collecting data they don't want me to know they are collecting).

    There's no link that would satisfy this argument, since these people are by their very position unchangeable. They believe what they believe, and that's it.
     
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