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WikiLeaks Founder Arrested

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He's not a US citizen, he's not bound by our laws, and if they attempt to take him into custody (meaning US officials, as laughable as that label sounds), I'd say they would be kidnapping him more than anything else.
 
Dylan80 said:
No problem....

Washinton Post - WikiLeaks founder could be charged under Espionage Act
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Dylan80 said:
I believe it was stupid of him to turn himself in on a $800 rape fine.... when he has outstanding warrants for other federal crimes in other countries. He is turning himself in for something he didn't do, and knows damn well he has done a lot of illegal shit that can get him caught and hung for a long time.
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No charges are imminent, the sources said, and it is unclear whether any will be brought.
Former prosecutors cautioned that prosecutions involving leaked classified information are difficult because the Espionage Act is a 1917 statute that preceded Supreme Court cases that expanded First Amendment protections. The government also would have to persuade another country to turn over Assange, who is outside the United States.
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No charges imminent, the word "warrant" isn't even on that page only in the link below that says "WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange arrested on Swedish warrant, denied bail" in the Most Viewed World Articles section.
 
Mathemabeat said:
I don't think you know what you are saying.

What other warrants are you talking about? The rape warrant is the only one on the table AFAIK. I haven't seen any other country come forward with a warrant of any kind. They might not like what he has done and think hes a douchebag in general (which might be true), but they also know that hasn't done anything illegal yet either. At least nothing they can charge him with.

All you "someone needs to assassinate him" people need to bring yourself back down to reality. You should place the blame where it belongs: PFC Manning. He performed Treason against the US and will most likely be held accountable. Assange is just the messenger.
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I am not one that wants the guy killed in the dark..... I want him to be charged and convicted for crimes that I know happened because of his actions (you must pay the consequences of your actions after all!)

Just FYI, the entire "assassination" talk about the wikileaks guy started when this Canadian politician (former aid to the Prime Minister of Canada) called for it to happen:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/40467957/ns/us_news-wikileaks_in_security/
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Dylan80 said:
I am not one that wants the guy killed in the dark..... I want him to be charged and convicted for crimes that I know happened because of his actions (you must pay the consequences of your actions after all!)
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What crimes?
 
Dylan80 said:
I am not one that wants the guy killed in the dark..... I want him to be charged and convicted for crimes that I know happened because of his actions (you must pay the consequences of your actions after all!)
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Only if you've broken a law in the given country and you're legally bound to the those laws, you forgot to add, which again he is not. PFC Manning? Damned straight. Assange? Like it or not, isn't.
 
Bahamut said:
Only if you've broken a law in the given country and you're legally bound to the those laws, you forgot to add, which again he is not. PFC Manning? Damned straight. Assange? Like it or not, isn't.
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Unfortunately that's true to a point. A surprising number of people are arguing like Assange is either an American or somehow bound to American laws when he isn't.
 
Wishing someone (who has been convicted of nothing) be brutalized and killed in prison, for daring to spread information, of all things.

You people scare me.:(
 
Zangmonkey said:
You're right. Nobody would have died in the Middle East as a result of the fanatacism, dictatorships, genocide and civil wars had "Western" countries not deployed troops.
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Straw man ftw. What killed more troops, sending 30000 more to Afghanistan earlier this year or these leaks?
 
So he can hack into American stuff, spread secret American data... but as long as he is not American, or on USA soil then American cannot touch him? Bull-fkn-shit.

Extradite his ass back to the USA, just like Sweden did in this situation while he was in the UK. What's the difference besides the spy type stuff he did against the USA is 100x worse than a couple whore chics getting banged without a condom.
 
Dylan80 said:
So he can hack into American stuff, spread secret American data... but as long as he is not American, or on USA soil then American cannot touch him? Bull-fkn-shit.

Extradite his ass back to the USA, just like Sweden did in this situation while he was in the UK. What's the difference besides the spy type stuff he did against the USA is 100x worse than a couple whore chics getting banged without a condom.
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Now, you're just trolling.
 
I would like to preface this by stating that I am quite a liberal-minded person, to the point that my ideal form of government is a socialist utopia. I am also a pragmatist. Sure, the idea of complete transparency may SOUND like a noble concept and may be so in an ideal world, but as it is practiced in this instance it only serves to be counter-productive.

I acknowledge that even in a democracy, a modern government must be able to have secrets, even from the general populace. I place my trust in the basic structure of checks and balances put in place at our founding; yes men are fallible and our government is no exception, but in a general sense things tend to work out in the end.

I may have sympathy for Mr. Assange had his leaks exposed any sort of groundbreaking allegation, but they did nothing of the sort. All he has done is laid bare the private (and secret) workings of our diplomatic process, something that I think needs to remain private due to the international shitstorm that would erupt if they were made public. These people are simply doing what they feel is in the best interest of our country, which includes compromises that armchair diplomats may not agree with, but it is not these armchair diplomats who were appointed by our elected government.

How this man can defend the publishing of secret cables from diplomats listing off infrastructure that is of critical importance to the US and would be devastating to lose, much less how an American citizen can defend his actions, is beyond me...
 
obs said:
Straw man ftw. What killed more troops, sending 30000 more to Afghanistan earlier this year or these leaks?
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Straw man ftw. What killed more troops, sending 30,000 more to Afghanistan earlier this year or Saddam's murderous rampageS?

For reference:

Along with other human rights organizations, The Documental Centre for Human Rights in Iraq has compiled documentation on over 600,000 civilian executions in Iraq. Human Rights Watch reports that in one operation alone, the Anfal, Saddam killed 100,000 Kurdish Iraqis. Another 500,000 are estimated to have died in Saddam's needless war with Iran. Coldly taken as a daily average for the 24 years of Saddam's reign, these numbers give us a horrifying picture of between 70 and 125 civilian deaths per day for every one of Saddam's 8,000-odd days in power"
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Dylan80 said:
So he can hack into American stuff, spread secret American data... but as long as he is not American, or on USA soil then American cannot touch him? Bull-fkn-shit.

Extradite his ass back to the USA, just like Sweden did in this situation while he was in the UK. What's the difference besides the spy type stuff he did against the USA is 100x worse than a couple whore chics getting banged without a condom.
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HACKING TEH INTERNETS! Even if your comptuer is disconnected from all networks your computer, data, and even your life could be in danger!!! Tehe... hacking.

God I trolls.
 
Sending troops 30,000 troops is a primary defense action

Leaking documents is a secondary action used to generate Anti-US hate around the world.

Two totally different things... straw man?
 
Dylan80 said:
So he can hack into American stuff, spread secret American data... but as long as he is not American, or on USA soil then American cannot touch him? Bull-fkn-shit.
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You'll fit right in here. :p

But... He didn't hack into American 'stuff', other people used priviledged access to gather data which was then sent to Wikileaks.
 
Dylan80 said:
So he can hack into American stuff, spread secret American data... but as long as he is not American, or on USA soil then American cannot touch him? Bull-fkn-shit.

Extradite his ass back to the USA, just like Sweden did in this situation while he was in the UK. What's the difference besides the spy type stuff he did against the USA is 100x worse than a couple whore chics getting banged without a condom.
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lol

C'mon man, now you are just fucking with us.


What did he hack? Some idiot (most likely Manning, however Assange hasn't said who) gave him this info and he released it. Not much different than what Deep Throat did when he gave the Watergate info to Bob Woodward. Bob took that info and published it. Or in this case, Julian took the info and put it on the web.
 
the only reason a "shitstorm" might happen to begin with is because diplomats and governments have been lying and acting contrary to the benefit of the people they are supposed to be representing for so long.

If you have been lying for ages and the truth is revealed, of course it's going to be rough. But that's not a bad quality inherent in the truth, that's the result of the deception now revealed.

OldSchool said:
I may have sympathy for Mr. Assange had his leaks exposed any sort of groundbreaking allegation, but they did nothing of the sort. All he has done is laid bare the private (and secret) workings of our diplomatic process, something that I think needs to remain private due to the international shitstorm that would erupt if they were made public. These people are simply doing what they feel is in the best interest of our country, which includes compromises that armchair diplomats may not agree with, but it is not these armchair diplomats who were appointed by our elected government.

How this man can defend the publishing of secret cables from diplomats listing off infrastructure that is of critical importance to the US and would be devastating to lose, much less how an American citizen can defend his actions, is beyond me...
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Mathemabeat said:
lol

C'mon man, now you are just fucking with us.


What did he hack? Some idiot (most likely Manning, however Assange hasn't said who) gave him this info and he released it. Not much different than what Deep Throat did when he gave the Watergate info to Bob Woodward. Bob took that info and published it. Or in this case, Julian took the info and put it on the web.
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I think what he's saying is that the New York Times should be sentenced for treason.
 
OldSchool said:
I would like to preface this by stating that I am quite a liberal-minded person, to the point that my ideal form of government is a socialist utopia. I am also a pragmatist. Sure, the idea of complete transparency may SOUND like a noble concept and may be so in an ideal world, but as it is practiced in this instance it only serves to be counter-productive.

I acknowledge that even in a democracy, a modern government must be able to have secrets, even from the general populace. I place my trust in the basic structure of checks and balances put in place at our founding; yes men are fallible and our government is no exception, but in a general sense things tend to work out in the end.

I may have sympathy for Mr. Assange had his leaks exposed any sort of groundbreaking allegation, but they did nothing of the sort. All he has done is laid bare the private (and secret) workings of our diplomatic process, something that I think needs to remain private due to the international shitstorm that would erupt if they were made public. These people are simply doing what they feel is in the best interest of our country, which includes compromises that armchair diplomats may not agree with, but it is not these armchair diplomats who were appointed by our elected government.

How this man can defend the publishing of secret cables from diplomats listing off infrastructure that is of critical importance to the US and would be devastating to lose, much less how an American citizen can defend his actions, is beyond me...
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So far, around 800 of 250,000 documents have been released.
 
computerpro3 said:
So now only American lives are valuable?

How nationalistic of you.
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The initial claim I was responding to in the first place would some troll claiming these leaks put TROOPS lives at risk. Oh well, let's keep moving the goal posts.

The job of the military isn't to police the world, it's to protect our country.
 
computerpro3 said:
So now only American lives are valuable?

How nationalistic of you.
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Ultimately, there is no need for Americans to get involved with Iraqis killing Iraqis. You set up a Catch 22, either you're a nationalistic bigot refusing to care about the rest of the world or you're an imperialist trying to control the world.
 
kirbyrj said:
Ultimately, there is no need for Americans to get involved with Iraqis killing Iraqis. You set up a Catch 22, either you're a nationalistic bigot refusing to care about the rest of the world or you're an imperialist trying to control the world.
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Ding ding ding! The liberal/isolationist narrative in a nutshell.
 
obs said:
Straw man ftw. What killed more troops, sending 30000 more to Afghanistan earlier this year or these leaks?
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False dilemma ftw.

The dangers from these leaks are not inherently connected to our military presence in Afghanistan.
 
kirbyrj said:
Ultimately, there is no need for Americans to get involved with Iraqis killing Iraqis. You set up a Catch 22, either you're a nationalistic bigot refusing to care about the rest of the world or you're an imperialist trying to control the world.
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Or you can acknowledge that we live in a global community and that we rely on other countries for goods and services vital to our, their and other countries' well-being.

It *is* possible to help Iraqis and defend our own interests at the same time.
 
Parmenides said:
Is that fact? Because I'm interested in some citations.
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On what?
The reality that these leaks do not soley relate to soldiers in Afghanistan?

You can scroll back through this thread and find leaks from Lebanon pertaining to their actions completely separate from Afghanistan.

I don't understand your point at all.... do you think these leaks are solely about Afghanistan?
 
Zangmonkey said:
False dilemma ftw.

The dangers from these leaks are not inherently connected to our military presence in Afghanistan.
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I never claimed they were related. I am saying the US government itself does far, far more to put our troops at risk with no increase in US security than what Assange has done.
 
Youn said:
Can you give an example? Just curious, trying to understand where you're coming from.
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1) You don't tell your wife she is fat, even if she is.
2) You don't tell your kids they are dumb, even if they are.
3) You don't tell your friends every bit of truth about them if you want to keep them as friends.
4) You don't tell your job you are on [H] during the day.
5) You don't tell your job you are going to quit before finding another job.

Those are just off the top of my head answers, but there are definitely deeper situations where this applies even more so.
 
Cyraxx said:
Ding ding ding! We have a winner! You have won the award for most arrogant liberal in this thread. Congratulations, that is quite the accomplishment!

I'm sure everyone is enjoying the lack of rights, anal cavity searches, all at the price of a false sense of security. The fact that this man was arrested for something completely unrelated to the subject that they are destined to charge him for? Liberalism at it's finest. But go ahead and keep thinking liberals are gods. What happened this election year again?
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You HAVE to be trolling. WTF does that have to do with "liberalism"? There are no Liberals in the US HoR or Senate, so stop spewing your partisan bullshit.
 
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