Well I'd like to stick with 1440p but I heard these new gfx cards can upscale? If so I would like to go 32 or 34 them?If your base requirement is still 1440P, I'd suggest again that a wide screen with that vertical would be more fun/interesting.
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Upgrade to oled?
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Was still thinking something like this for 1440p:
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled
Yes, along with DLSS upscaling, the Nvidia RTX 40 and 50 series cards support 2x and 2-4x frame generation, respectively, in supported games. (Which might be particularly useful in 240Hz monitors such as the linked. Along with 32" 4K displays...)
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itRqSmpG8SA
So Stop the FOMO is thinking if you want glossy, get something else.
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I mean I agree with him, but I can't buy what doesn't exist. To this day you still cannot purchase a 55 inch G5 from either the LG store or BestBuy it's simply been out of stock ever since the beginning of the month. Top that off with being able to get an S95F for $400 less I can't really justify spending hundreds more all for the sake of getting a glossy coating when I may not even mind the matte of the Samsung anyway given that I don't on the PG32UCDP.
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From what I can tell, 32" 1440p OLED monitors are either non-existent or rare. IMO, you're going to have to stick with 27"/1440p OLED/QD-OLED (I already linked you to some examples of the best ones on Pg. 1) or step up to a 34" ultrawide OLED/QD-OLED. I don't think you'll get any of these options for less than about $700-$900 unless a major sale happens.
Thanks will look over it. I'm a bit iffy on 34 ws.. I believe certain games don't support that ratio and you end up with black boxes? I Def don't want that.. But sometimes I feel like 34 at my desk will be too much.. The 27 at 3 ft seems to be the perfect ratio.. However one day I plan to move from my current home and would like to get a large led that will be hooked up to the pc. Whenever I'm playing games on pc with a controller I'll use that led TV. What would be best in 50 to 60 inch?
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That's why I bought qd oled 32" from micro center last month. It's text doesn't bother my eyeballs and it's great for gaming, movies, et al. and a 43" won't fit where I like to have my chair in a corner of U shaped desk with the long side against the the window so I can see outside if my dogs start barking at things I can see wtf without relying on technology/poe cams and do paperwork and other fiddly things with natural light.
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Did a search and this is the most relevant OLED burn in thread it seems.
View: https://youtu.be/whuHuM9h88M?si=G0-qRFTZ5LaOo21-
After 18 months and every day he ran the pixel refresher. The monitor has gone to shit. Exactly what I expected. He notices the burn in lines all the time and he's annoyed now. A year and a half and it's trash.
So for actual gamers the HUD absolutely will burn in in no time as the burn in lines were visible even sooner. I've never seen a more fragile technology. I'm literally skipping the OLED fad all together. Going straight from mini led to micro led no doubt.
View: https://youtu.be/whuHuM9h88M?si=G0-qRFTZ5LaOo21-
After 18 months and every day he ran the pixel refresher. The monitor has gone to shit. Exactly what I expected. He notices the burn in lines all the time and he's annoyed now. A year and a half and it's trash.
So for actual gamers the HUD absolutely will burn in in no time as the burn in lines were visible even sooner. I've never seen a more fragile technology. I'm literally skipping the OLED fad all together. Going straight from mini led to micro led no doubt.
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I own a 27" LG just for gaming not worried at all had it for almost 3 years maybe played games for 250 hours total. I use smaller 2011 Asus for general use mainly on my phone these days.
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I don't know... I was considering moving from my 4k Gigabyte G32U 144hz, but this has only sort of given me pause.
His test effectively simulated 8-hours of static usage ever day for 18 months with no effort to mitigate burn in. I do around 5-6 hours day of actual monitor use (gaming and work) ~5 days a week, less of static usage, even with my job which requires heavy coding and reading -- and I'm in a darker room that doesn't require high brightness setting. So, based on those results, that's really around 3 years of usage before any material degredation for me. And even if burn-in appears earlier, most warranties on these (at least in the EU/UK) are 3 years with burn-in cover included.
Well the main thing I would think about with regards to that is how often do you replace monitors and how sad would you be if this one went to shit in a few years?
If you are the kind of person, like me, who tends to want a shiny new toy ever few years regardless, then it matters less. As you say, it'll probably make it 3ish years at least if you keep the brightness down. So if you'll probably want a newer, better, monitor in that time and can afford such things then it isn't a huge deal. However if you are the kind of person who keeps displays for a long time, then it might give me pause.
I got a MiniLED monitor (PG32UQX) because of worries about burn-in and I love it. However I'm currently testing a PG32UCDP (WOLED 32", currently on a bit of a sale at Best Buy) and there are things I like about it too. I will likely keep both and swap off depending on what I want, despite the annoyance. Even if I don't end up swapping and just go OLED exclusive, I am not that concerned because I do buy a new monitor every few years just because I want to play with the new tech and I can afford it. If I couldn't, I'd be more worried about OLED.
Just consider how big a deal a replacement would be for you. If it would be a "whatever, new monitor time anyhow" situation then cool. Also consider how much burn-in would annoy you, or not. If it is the kind of thing you would be super likely to notice and get annoyed by, then I'd give it a miss, but if it is the kind of minor detail you could easily deal with then less of an issue.
Also one thing to keep in mind with burn-in warranties is that there is always going to be a threshold below which they won't accept a claim. So if you are super sensitive and even a faint line on 50% gray will piss you off, then skip it because they could very well say "That's perfectly normal, no we aren't replacing your display it has to be much more noticeable burn-in."
I think it depends on which monitor you get. I have the LG 42C2 that I use daily for work, currently at 4,000 hours on the panel. I disabled the auto-dimming via the service menu, but did leave on the auto-pixel shift. I do hide my task bar but other than that I just use is as I would any other monitor.
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Burn in update. The monitor looks like doodie and it's starting to annoy him more and more in less than 2 years being on 8 hours a day. Although keep in mind the burn in started immediately upon use and was burned in already at the first 6 months mark. Burning it in intentionally is another way of saying using it normally without jumping through hoops and taking precautions for work or gaming lol
View: https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc?si=lfoGLbvykuRsbREc
View: https://youtu.be/RbEgQrigiLc?si=lfoGLbvykuRsbREc
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If he used desktop at normal brightness 100 nits then it should burn-in at least 4x slower.
I use my IPS at 80 nits and it seems plenty bright - in fact I would likely lower the brightness a little to 70 or even 60 nits if it was possible without butchering contrast ratio.
So if I used QD-OLED for desktop at let's say same 80 nits for consistency I could expect barely visible burn-in after 2 years. And without this very specific split-screen setup and rather putting windows positions randomly on screen (as I normally do) I would probably have only taskbar burned in even though I prefer 'day mode' themes.
To reiterate: burn-in is is extremely related to brightness and not even proportional but power of two so if you are comfy using monitor at sane brightness levels and especially without splitting desktop to parts with sharp edges which you never move it should last for a while without issues. IMHO.
That said I would say QD-OLED for desktop is overkill. Best to have IPS + QD-OLED setup and minimize desktop usage on QD-OLED. Can always power it off when its not needed or play some video or smt. Giving OLED compensation cycles it needs with dual monitor setup even when you do use both monitors for desktop won't be an issue.
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And besides that, everything I've seen suggests that QD-OLED panels (at least the early ones) were more susceptible to burn-in than WOLED panels. Though, both have improved in that regard.
I won't go so far as to call that video clickbait, but if he is "deliberately burning in" that monitor then of course he's going to achieve the result that he wants. But it really doesn't matter what any YouTuber is doing with their monitor, because I use my 5 year old 48CX every day with my own eyes and see that it still hasn't exhibited burn-in lol.
I won't go so far as to call that video clickbait, but if he is "deliberately burning in" that monitor then of course he's going to achieve the result that he wants. But it really doesn't matter what any YouTuber is doing with their monitor, because I use my 5 year old 48CX every day with my own eyes and see that it still hasn't exhibited burn-in lol.
Agreed. OLED burn in IMO is one of the most overblown non issues in the PC gaming world.
I mean, that's heavily dependent on user preference and room lighting. I find 80 nits too dim, I ran my CRT around that back in the day as that was the recommendation to keep blooming down, but I run my LCCD/OLED at 115 nits in a dark room as I find that's what looks good and is comfortable to me. In a well lit room I like it brighter, I have it about 180 nits at work. Since he's running things in a well lit room for work, makes sense he might want more brightness.
I wish he'd provide links to PNGs with the burn in. For me, watching on Youtube, I just can't see it in the unenhanced screenshots hardly at all. The AV1 compression artifacts are far more visible.
I do kind of wonder who it would do with more mitigations active. In particular I wonder about OLED movement and more often pixel refresh cycles. The reason I wonder is I keep the OLED move turned on for mine because I really find it isn't noticeable. If I am staring at a fixed object right when it happens, it is slightly noticeable, but not bothersome, and I am surprised at how infrequently I actually catch it happening. The other one is pixel refresh. I find that just in normal usage, I get a lot of pixel refreshing. Just getting up from the system and having the display go to sleep, it runs often since I try not to sit in front of my computer unmoving for hours. The dimming, I get why that's off. It is annoying for desktop work and makes games look worse than they should.
Either way, I am still of the opinion that OLEDs are cool, and I like mine, but I'd be hesitant to recommend them to anyone who isn't a nut like me that buys a new display every couple years as burn in is worrying. I wish we could get some better high end MiniLED options out there.
To be fair to Tim he was pretty up front in his objective for testing: He wants to see how burn in is for an OLED is used for a productivity monitor, with no compromises. He's a big OLED fan for gaming and recommends them highly. However the goal was "What if I use one for my work, and I don't make any concessions to it like turning down brightness?" It isn't a torture test like RTings does, rather just doing heavy office use with it, without special pampering.
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Better mini LED options are coming....maybe, they've only been announced in China for now.
https://tftcentral.co.uk/news/aoc-agon-pro-announced-with-32-4k-ips-panel-and-mini-led-backlight
https://www.displayninja.com/new-monitors/#G32M12Max
I'm particularly interested in the HKC monitor since for me, VA + Mini LED is the way to go. I recently got a TCL 27R94 which has 2304 dimming zones combined with a VA panel and blooming is basically non existent on this thing, and blooming was the biggest reason why I even went to OLED in the first place. Contrast, while not quite there, is also much closer to OLED.
I dunno about VA. I may have to try one if a good one comes out, my issue is having had a VA monitor before the gamma shift was noticeable. For something with like 9000 zones I'd much rather see IPS because with zones that small, the veiling glare of your corneas is probably more bloom than the zone itself. The perfect viewing angles of OLED are a nice feature. I also worry a bit about the Chinese brands because it seems like calibration accuracy is something they don't care about and I notice when things aren't good.
I'm hopeful though.
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Viewing angles are not perfect but it's not like this is a TN panel, it's very useable. These new HVA panels from TCL CSOT are far better than your average VA panel they have no black smearing and improved viewing angles and colors, the last VA I had was a 32" 1440p from LG and that was definitely worst on every metric. If they were willing to apply the same wide angle filter that they apply on their "WHVA" TVs then that would be the final nail in the coffin for IPS panels, but I imagine that comes down to the costs being too high to do this for monitors. A monitor using a WHVA panel with 240Hz refresh rate and fast response times, 9000+ dimming zones, and micro RGB backlight for 100% BT.2020 colors would be the endgame. Why even consider an IPS panel at that point?
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nB68LGAG49k
Calibration accuracy at least isn't going to be any worst than Samsung TVs honestly. The S95F I have is pretty much impossible to get accurate according to people over at AVSForums, there's clearly oversaturation as well as a red push going on but ultimately that doesn't stop me from enjoying the TV so some minor inaccuracies in monitors wouldn't do me any worst. You can see what I mean in this comparison shot. The yellow leaves have a slightly red hue to them.
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9000 zones for a 32” monitor is still about two generations away, so 2028 at the earliest?
And with you on gamma shift /viewing angle VA issues. Even the curved models can’t fully alleviate the issue. And if you use the monitor for anything other than viewing / consumption then you need a flat panel.
Don’t get me wrong mini LED could be a “perfect monitor” if implemented correctly but it’s still a bit off. OLED is already perfect for large TVs but their use case is different than most monitors.
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Curve definitely isn't fixing VA viewing angle problems, but the wide angle filters they use on TVs will. See the video above.
I haven't seen a VA monitor for a long time but I did have one back in the day and did not care for the gamma shift. I replaced it with IPS and never looked back. For TVs I find it less problematic, you sit far enough away they take up less of your field of view, but still an issue. My TV prior to getting my S95B was a VA and the viewing angles were kinda "meh".
The issue I've seen with some monitors is more wild gamma/EOTF issues. Not only does it not track properly but often color balance shifts a lot. I've also never seen a monitor with multi-point white balance correction so you just have to live with it. That's one of the things I like about ASUS is while their calibration isn't always perfect, it tends to be very good. The PG32UCDP is pretty good out of the box, the PG32UQX is basically flawless. My S95B is a hot mess and took a lot of work to get to "mostly ok but still has HDR issues because it can't into HGIG".
One of the Chinese monitors Sparkul linked claims 9000 zones. Of course it isn't out yet and another issue with Chinese products is their specs are often... let's just call it "overstated". But if it really does have that many zones, I'd rather see it in IPS. VA's contrast ratio is great for HDR because you can lean more heavily on the panel and thus get better zone transitions to keep blooming down. However get enough zones and it no longer matters. Our eyes themselves have blooming, you see blooming on OLEDs even though there is none because of the veiling glare of your eye's lenses. Thus get the zones small enough that they are below our perception and IPS is fine because it doesn't need high contrast between zones, we won't notice anyhow.
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EOTF isn't too bad on the TCL. Here's the 32 inch version:
Much better than Samsung at least:
https://i.rtings.com/assets/product...sey-neo-g8-s32bg85/eotf-large.jpg?format=auto
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This photo perfectly sums up VA panels
The pattern used to make it is #080808 stipes versus #000000 stripes.
Of course this photo is a bit overexposed and of one of the worse offenders where it comes to gamma shift but ultimately even best VA panels where it comes to gamma shift will look very similar with too much contrast between what you should pretty much not see and black also revealing where there is literally no content (pure black) ruining immersion.
VA panels in monitors made some sense in S-PVA times when IPS monitors were much more expensive and had 500:1 contrast ratio and had ridiculously grainy AG coatings.
Currently IPS panels are good enough that unless you don't overdo brightness and have some ambient light black passes as black and here I am not even saying IPS Black but normal 1200:1 IPS panels.
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Ah yes since we're gonna cherry pick a single image to paint VA panels as bad, allow me to do the same with IPS.
This image perfectly sums up IPS panels:
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Your image presents what exactly?
Low resolution local dimming?
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That cameras pick up gamma shift more than our eyes. IPS glow, backlight bleed, all this looks WAY worse in photos than IRL. Same deal with VA gamma shift. That said, I still don't really care for VA for computer monitors.
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Why think VA monitors are bad quality.
Checked RTINGS reviews - my point stands.
If you think your monitor is somehow different and unlike every other VA so much so that gamma shift is not an issue then you can prove it.
Not quite the same thing.
VA panels issues present nicely on photos because it is not just brightness level issue but issue with relative brightness of different levels versus their position on screen.
Of course monitors such as that photo in person is darker - but in dark room it doesn't really make that much issue to general presentation.
Also in person you have two different 'sweet spots' for each eye and what these photos won't show you is all of the false stereoscopic issues. Unlike IPS panels where IPS Glow begins at wide angle and looks like light behind you somehow hitting monitor the VA viewing angle issues look totally unnatural.
Anyways, imho no one should care about VA monitors and I am actually surprised they still make them.
Thought that OLED is enough to make their existence obsolete.
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I know you purposely chose the most exaggerated photo you could find in order to spin your narrative on VA panels. I don't need to prove anything to you since it's obvious you have a huge bias against them and no amount of evidence would change your mind. Too bad anyone with half a brain knows that VA panels aren't that bad and they still exist because they have a place in the market and the industry know that the opinion of a single hater isn't gonna change that. You may not like them, but plenty of people do. In fact, 2026 flagship TVs positioned even above OLED models are set to be Micro RGB backlit with.....VA panels
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There was thread on this forum where people photographed this exact test pattern and it always looked similar - though of course there were some quality differences and most notably between panels with 4 domains and 8. I didn't choose the most exaggerated photo as much as got first photo I could find - which most of them are already gone because at the time these were hosted on various image hosting sites. The pattern itself I made purposefully to showcase why VA panels are badI know you purposely chose the most exaggerated photo you could find in order to spin your narrative on VA panels. I don't need to prove anything to you since it's obvious you have a huge bias against them and no amount of evidence would change your mind. Too bad anyone with half a brain knows that VA panels aren't that bad and they still exist because they have a place in the market and the industry know that the opinion of a single hater isn't gonna change that. You may not like them, but plenty of people do. In fact, 2026 flagship TVs positioned even above OLED models are set to be Micro RGB backlit with.....VA panels
It is not some synthetic test without impact to image quality. I also made this pattern after I already switched to IPS and didn't have any VA panel on hand. It was obvious it will look terrible on VA panel compared to IPS, CRT and plasma which I did have at the time.
As for convincing - you are the one mentioning VA monitor as an alternative to OLEDs so if anything you have opportunity to prove its quality.
Personally I find QD-OLED as almost perfect panel tech. Almost as in if they made the same monitor I have but with RGB subpixels it would be perfect visually. Maximum luminance I find high enough and don't need it to be any brighter. Heck, I usually use it at 120-160 nits range so not even what it can do full screen without any auto-dimming.
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Man I tried a Mini-LED monitor and I hated it. The dimming zones were so obvious to me, and the monitor itself was a buggy mess to use too. Firmware was awful and the displayport cable it came with gaslit me into thinking my GPU was busted. It would somehow cut power to my PC.
https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/aoc/q27g40xmn
There is no perfect monitor atm, either suffer burn in or get an LCD with other downsides like bloom, gamma shift, etc. I was pretty disappointed with mini-LED though, I was expecting it to be near OLED level and it just wasn't.
People saying burn in isn't a concern though are coping. These things absolutely will burn in. Especially if you are using it for your PC, you have to baby OLEDs. It wouldn't be so bad if there was more software out there to help mitigate static elements in games and the operating system.
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There was thread on this forum where people photographed this exact test pattern and it always looked similar - though of course there were some quality differences and most notably between panels with 4 domains and 8. I didn't choose the most exaggerated photo as much as got first photo I could find - which most of them are already gone because at the time these were hosted on various image hosting sites. The pattern itself I made purposefully to showcase why VA panels are bad
It is not some synthetic test without impact to image quality. I also made this pattern after I already switched to IPS and didn't have any VA panel on hand. It was obvious it will look terrible on VA panel compared to IPS, CRT and plasma which I did have at the time.
As for convincing - you are the one mentioning VA monitor as an alternative to OLEDs so if anything you have opportunity to prove its quality.
Personally I find QD-OLED as almost perfect panel tech. Almost as in if they made the same monitor I have but with RGB subpixels it would be perfect visually. Maximum luminance I find high enough and don't need it to be any brighter. Heck, I usually use it at 120-160 nits range so not even what it can do full screen without any auto-dimming.
Again, if VA was so bad then all the companies like Sony and Samsung would not be trying to position them as flagship models. I don't have to prove anything since the industry already proved it's quality for me. I don't disagree that QD OLED is almost the perfect tech, if they simply solved the black level raise that makes them unusable in a bright room then it would be perfect, and I know just how good QD OLED is because I literally have the best one which is the Samsung S95F. IPS panels on the otherhand is what I consider F tier garbage at this point.
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I had the opposite experience lol. I tried a LG C2 and hated it and returned it and got a QN90B. All mini led perhaps are not created equal. For gaming I've never noticed any bloom or gamma shift. To be honest I've never noticed either of those ever. The HDR VRR combined at 144hz is awesome for me and Battlefield 6 is glorious. I'll use mini led for sure until micro RGB is available completely skipping oleds all together.
I will say, it is somewhat different for a TV than a monitor because you are further back and it takes up less of your field of view. It was something I noticed when I got my VA monitor back in the day. I had my computer setup near my bed and then I'd lay on the bed and look at it, the colors were noticeably better and more uniform when I was 10 feet away because I wasn't getting the gamma shift I did up close. I've had a couple of VA TVs before going to OLED and they were fine, when you were in front of them.
Likewise I find that the bigger your monitor, the more that even OLED vs IPS matters for viewing angles. With a 32" monitor IPS does have some noticeable shift at the edges and an OLED is noticeably better because of its wide angles. However on a 16" laptop an IPS display looks basically perfectly uniform. Too small in the field of vision to really get gamma shift.
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Vouch for you point about IPS, I had got like a 34" ultrawide IPS monitor and like you would always see distortion of the screen, it was terrible. Compared to my laptop though it was night and day, my laptop IPS screen has very little bleed and decent black levels, but that monitor was just so awful and eye searing to look at. After that I tried mini-LED, didn't like it, now I use a 55" OLED TV for games and then a 27" IPS for shooters/sweaty games + productivity
They have their uses. I like IPS for work. I write code. 43" IPS 4k screen at scaling off & working with text distance. So "too close" for a TV. I tried similarly sized VA and LG WOLED screens at that distance and they were both inferior for text. The WOLED was tolerable, but not great. The Samsung VA was just trash. Color shifting, worse text than the LG WOLED, etc. VA works if you have an appropriate to VA viewing distance, but don't plant your face in one. That VA screen was ok for gaming. Sit back a bit and it was ok. LG WOLED kicked it's ass, but the VA screen was ok at gaming. IPS makes good text and I have the LG WOLED for gaming. If you rage at me about my screens I'm more likely to replace the WOLED than the IPS. IPS text is as sharp as I need, but that WOLED screen is from 2023 so there must be something better...