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Upgrade to oled?

MistaSparkul said:
Burn in yup, but dim? At least not the TVs. Unless you consider the Samsung S95F doing 2300 nits peak and 440 nits full field to somehow be dim in which case the QN90D should be considered dim too since it doesn't even hit 2300 nits.
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The thing is you can't even keep the OLED bright because it will burn in the pixels so what's the point? They are making the latest ones brighter but at what cost? Lifespan? Lol it's like over clocking a CPU to the max even though you're frying the core with too much voltage. The heat from the high brightness burns the pixels in OLEDs so it is recommended not to use full brightness also not to have static images on the screen either. Where as the mini led doesn't suffer from any of these handicaps and looks 90% as good as the OLED and that's being generous mostly looks 99% indistinguishable from an OLED in my opinion.
 
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xDiVolatilX said:
The thing is you can't even keep the OLED bright because it will burn in the pixels so what's the point? They are making the latest ones brighter but at what cost? Lifespan? Lol it's like over clocking a CPU to the max even though you're frying the core with too much voltage. The heat from the high brightness burns the pixels in OLEDs so it is recommended not to use full brightness also not to have static images on the screen either. Where as the mini led doesn't suffer from any of these handicaps and looks 90% as good as the OLED and that's being generous mostly looks 99% indistinguishable from an OLED in my opinion.
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I agree about burn in but that doesn't change the fact that OLEDs (At least large TVs) are no longer dim which is what you are claiming. They are quite bright now but yes will still burn in.
 
MistaSparkul said:
I agree about burn in but that doesn't change the fact that OLEDs (At least large TVs) are no longer dim which is what you are claiming. They are quite bright now but yes will still burn in.
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S95f does 336 max full screen the QN90D does 619 max full screen nearly doubling it where it matters a lot. If you mean 10% highlight
For 10% the S95F does 2007 peak for 10% the QN90D does 2087 peak highlight so not only is the mini led still brighter technically it doesn't suffer from burning whatsoever also has amazing HDR performance top it off is $1,000 cheaper.
 
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xDiVolatilX said:
S95f does 336 max full screen the QN90D does 619 max full screen nearly doubling it where it matters a lot. If you mean 10% highlight
For 10% the S95F does 2007 peak for 10% the QN90D does 2087 peak highlight so not only is the mini led still brighter technically it doesn't suffer from burning whatsoever also has amazing HDR performance top it off is $1,000 cheaper.
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Not what owners are getting

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But anyways at these levels of brightness I'm kinda over it because games themselves just isn't the type of content that would actually take advantage of such high brightness and color coverage. It's like arguing that one hypercar is better than another because one can do 310mph while the other can do 320mph when in reality you will never ever hit those kind of speeds on a public road anyway. The brightness of the 2025 OLEDs is more than enough for me, but as you said burn in is still a problem so anyone who wants a 10 year display I would not recommended OLED but if you're in it for 3-4 years then it's definitely an option.
 
MistaSparkul said:
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But anyways at these levels of brightness I'm kinda over it because games themselves just isn't the type of content that would actually take advantage of such high brightness and color coverage. It's like arguing that one hypercar is better than another because one can do 310mph while the other can do 320mph when in reality you will never ever hit those kind of speeds on a public road anyway. The brightness of the 2025 OLEDs is more than enough for me, but as you said burn in is still a problem so anyone who wants a 10 year display I would not recommended OLED but if you're in it for 3-4 years then it's definitely an option.
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I like your analogy except in the opposite way. In a dark room the brightness doesn't matter meaning they go the same speed like 2 sports cars but in a bright room like my living room where there is 4 huge windows wall to all it makes a pretty big difference for full screen sustained brightness. Half the brightness on full screen while watching shows or movies is a deal breaker. I can game in my PC room cause I can control the darkness of the blinds/curtains etc but I don't want to subject my family to darkness just to make the OLED work. It just doesn't hit the same as the mini-led in the living room. Although there is an argument for gaming also for example I play FPS games where brightness is key to seeing enemies. Some monitors even have dedicated "FPS" preset modes which purposefully lighten the shadows and brighten the image for more visibility. Playing FPS brightness is a key advantage.
 
SH1 said:
Sorry I was probably more motivated to comment by that nonsense about WOLED looking cheap and such. Mine looks gorgeous. (Unless specifically that was with regard to monitors, where I don't love a matte coating on a monitor.)

LG Display ended this panel and its great motion tech after 2021 panels to their disgrace. (To be fair, probably was just the economics of it in the face of new competition from Samsung. Anyway...)

I did get the sense that you were looking for something larger than 27", which I imagine certainly would feel more like an upgrade. 1440 is problematic at the larger sizes though as others have mentioned.

These are 27", but a 34" gets an honorable mention.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/1440p-gaming-monitors#:~:text=The MSI MPG 341CQPX QD,may not be for everyone.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled
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Enjoy that C1. Are you using it as a monitor? I mainly mentioned the WRGB structure because if you're setting relatively close to it, it can be distracting for some. I still believe that 4K is the magic resolution for monitors for this because the pixels are so dense that, even if you did notice it, it shouldn't be a big enough issue to care. Good on you though if you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you. I remember in the CRT days some people would get so bent out of shape over the aperture grille wires being visible on Sony's GDM monitors.
 
jbltecnicspro said:
Enjoy that C1. Are you using it as a monitor? I mainly mentioned the WRGB structure because if you're setting relatively close to it, it can be distracting for some. I still believe that 4K is the magic resolution for monitors for this because the pixels are so dense that, even if you did notice it, it shouldn't be a big enough issue to care. Good on you though if you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you. I remember in the CRT days some people would get so bent out of shape over the aperture grille wires being visible on Sony's GDM monitors.
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Hello JBL. Ha! Yeah, that's right those aperture grill wires. Some folks hated those. Though I tend to look at them with a degree of nostalgic affection. :)

Yes agree the pixel structure on this is not ideal. 4K certainly helps. And to mitigate I use BetterClearTypeTuner to set ClearType to Grayscale only option. I used to marvel at how clear the text was on the FW900. And a few times I've caught myself doing the same on this one, but then I remember it's fixed pixel and doesn't deserve the same credit as a device that's essentially an electron projector inside. :)

The thing I do notice sometimes, is odd vertical lines, e.g., yellow ones, in Excel, which does remind me that Windows doesn't always know what to do with this thing.

As a display that is shared with my work and enthusiast machines, I am overall very pleased though. In my mind, this is one of those special legendary displays along with e.g., the FW900. Due to its almost unique, unfortunately, combination of being OLED and having LG's motion clarity scanning technology. Getting 4K to an effective motion resolution of 312 Hz though far short of the ideal 1000 Hz, still seems a night and day difference, which I think suggests diminishing returns as we advance away from 120 Hz/FPS. (The CX also accepting 60 Hz input to get to the 312 Hz effective motion clarity. I guess removed in the C1 due to flicker and the more dramatic reduction in light output.)

Just checked and FWIW no sign yet of the pixel degradation along the edges that was starting to hit the CX.

This is basically still my setup:

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I have a 48in C2 that runs win11 for pc gaming. I have the scaling set to 300%. I have 0 issues with text. Everything is sharp as hell. It all just works. Best display I have ever bought for my pc was this 48in C2. I would buy it again in a heartbeat. I bought the C4 and was so unimpressed I took it back and kept the C2. There was no noticeable difference from the C2 TO MY EYES.
 
jarablue said:
I have a 48in C2 that runs win11 for pc gaming. I have the scaling set to 300%. I have 0 issues with text. Everything is sharp as hell. It all just works. Best display I have ever bought for my pc was this 48in C2. I would buy it again in a heartbeat. I bought the C4 and was so unimpressed I took it back and kept the C2. There was no noticeable difference from the C2 TO MY EYES.
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Does the c2 come in a smaller size? When gaming at my desk that's why to large I'll prob go blind lol
 
Speaking of the C2, I had it for few days and was very disappointed and returned it and never looked back. It lacks the colors it's so dim the whites even look like a dull greyish color. I was expecting to be blown away but It was a big let down and I went with a powerful mini-led and realized what I had been missing my whole life. I only have experience (bad experience) with the C2 perhaps the brand new 2025 oleds are powerful not sure It's none of my concern but I wouldn't take a C2 if it was given to me for free lol
 
Well, the C1 and I'd imagine the C2 are plenty bright enough for me. For work, I run "OLED Pixel Brightness" at 0. (This is a light controlled room.) And maybe some folks just really crave the brightness, whereas for me it's the blacks, which is a big reason why I held onto to CRT for as long as I did. (Also the motion clarity though.)
 
xDiVolatilX said:
Speaking of the C2, I had it for few days and was very disappointed and returned it and never looked back. It lacks the colors it's so dim the whites even look like a dull greyish color. I was expecting to be blown away but It was a big let down and I went with a powerful mini-led and realized what I had been missing my whole life. I only have experience (bad experience) with the C2 perhaps the brand new 2025 oleds are powerful not sure It's none of my concern but I wouldn't take a C2 if it was given to me for free lol
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Nah man you are absolutely correct and even the new C5 is still as dim as ever and require a totally dark room to get anything out of them. LG has pretty much made almost zero meaningful upgrades to the C series OLEDs in terms of brightness ever since the freaking C7 from 2017. The only 2025 OLEDs that are bright enough to be used in all but the brightest of rooms is the G5 and Samsung S95F which should satisfy most people but I do understand there could be use case situations where even 400 nits full field brightness isn't enough and you might need 600+ nits but again I think for 99% of people having 400 nits full field brightness is sufficient. I just bought an S95F scheduled for pick up next week and I cannot wait to finally be rid of my now 5 year old CX and experience a fully unleashed 2200+ nit QD OLED lol.
 
Zero burn in on my bright 2+ year old S95C, and I’ve put a few hundred hours in NS2 with fixed bright spots on the UI. Anecdotal experience and all, but man this TV has been amazing. The screen uniformity is fantastic and it has no dead pixels either.

I say make the space, grab that S95F, remove the matte coating and enjoy QD OLED in all its glory ❤️‍🔥
 
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