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Upgrade to oled?

Burn in yup, but dim? At least not the TVs. Unless you consider the Samsung S95F doing 2300 nits peak and 440 nits full field to somehow be dim in which case the QN90D should be considered dim too since it doesn't even hit 2300 nits.
The thing is you can't even keep the OLED bright because it will burn in the pixels so what's the point? They are making the latest ones brighter but at what cost? Lifespan? Lol it's like over clocking a CPU to the max even though you're frying the core with too much voltage. The heat from the high brightness burns the pixels in OLEDs so it is recommended not to use full brightness also not to have static images on the screen either. Where as the mini led doesn't suffer from any of these handicaps and looks 90% as good as the OLED and that's being generous mostly looks 99% indistinguishable from an OLED in my opinion.
 
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The thing is you can't even keep the OLED bright because it will burn in the pixels so what's the point? They are making the latest ones brighter but at what cost? Lifespan? Lol it's like over clocking a CPU to the max even though you're frying the core with too much voltage. The heat from the high brightness burns the pixels in OLEDs so it is recommended not to use full brightness also not to have static images on the screen either. Where as the mini led doesn't suffer from any of these handicaps and looks 90% as good as the OLED and that's being generous mostly looks 99% indistinguishable from an OLED in my opinion.

I agree about burn in but that doesn't change the fact that OLEDs (At least large TVs) are no longer dim which is what you are claiming. They are quite bright now but yes will still burn in.
 
I agree about burn in but that doesn't change the fact that OLEDs (At least large TVs) are no longer dim which is what you are claiming. They are quite bright now but yes will still burn in.
S95f does 336 max full screen the QN90D does 619 max full screen nearly doubling it where it matters a lot. If you mean 10% highlight
For 10% the S95F does 2007 peak for 10% the QN90D does 2087 peak highlight so not only is the mini led still brighter technically it doesn't suffer from burning whatsoever also has amazing HDR performance top it off is $1,000 cheaper.
 
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S95f does 336 max full screen the QN90D does 619 max full screen nearly doubling it where it matters a lot. If you mean 10% highlight
For 10% the S95F does 2007 peak for 10% the QN90D does 2087 peak highlight so not only is the mini led still brighter technically it doesn't suffer from burning whatsoever also has amazing HDR performance top it off is $1,000 cheaper.

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But anyways at these levels of brightness I'm kinda over it because games themselves just isn't the type of content that would actually take advantage of such high brightness and color coverage. It's like arguing that one hypercar is better than another because one can do 310mph while the other can do 320mph when in reality you will never ever hit those kind of speeds on a public road anyway. The brightness of the 2025 OLEDs is more than enough for me, but as you said burn in is still a problem so anyone who wants a 10 year display I would not recommended OLED but if you're in it for 3-4 years then it's definitely an option.
 
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But anyways at these levels of brightness I'm kinda over it because games themselves just isn't the type of content that would actually take advantage of such high brightness and color coverage. It's like arguing that one hypercar is better than another because one can do 310mph while the other can do 320mph when in reality you will never ever hit those kind of speeds on a public road anyway. The brightness of the 2025 OLEDs is more than enough for me, but as you said burn in is still a problem so anyone who wants a 10 year display I would not recommended OLED but if you're in it for 3-4 years then it's definitely an option.
I like your analogy except in the opposite way. In a dark room the brightness doesn't matter meaning they go the same speed like 2 sports cars but in a bright room like my living room where there is 4 huge windows wall to all it makes a pretty big difference for full screen sustained brightness. Half the brightness on full screen while watching shows or movies is a deal breaker. I can game in my PC room cause I can control the darkness of the blinds/curtains etc but I don't want to subject my family to darkness just to make the OLED work. It just doesn't hit the same as the mini-led in the living room. Although there is an argument for gaming also for example I play FPS games where brightness is key to seeing enemies. Some monitors even have dedicated "FPS" preset modes which purposefully lighten the shadows and brighten the image for more visibility. Playing FPS brightness is a key advantage.
 
Sorry I was probably more motivated to comment by that nonsense about WOLED looking cheap and such. Mine looks gorgeous. (Unless specifically that was with regard to monitors, where I don't love a matte coating on a monitor.)

LG Display ended this panel and its great motion tech after 2021 panels to their disgrace. (To be fair, probably was just the economics of it in the face of new competition from Samsung. Anyway...)

I did get the sense that you were looking for something larger than 27", which I imagine certainly would feel more like an upgrade. 1440 is problematic at the larger sizes though as others have mentioned.

These are 27", but a 34" gets an honorable mention.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/1440p-gaming-monitors#:~:text=The MSI MPG 341CQPX QD,may not be for everyone.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled
Enjoy that C1. Are you using it as a monitor? I mainly mentioned the WRGB structure because if you're setting relatively close to it, it can be distracting for some. I still believe that 4K is the magic resolution for monitors for this because the pixels are so dense that, even if you did notice it, it shouldn't be a big enough issue to care. Good on you though if you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you. I remember in the CRT days some people would get so bent out of shape over the aperture grille wires being visible on Sony's GDM monitors.
 
Enjoy that C1. Are you using it as a monitor? I mainly mentioned the WRGB structure because if you're setting relatively close to it, it can be distracting for some. I still believe that 4K is the magic resolution for monitors for this because the pixels are so dense that, even if you did notice it, it shouldn't be a big enough issue to care. Good on you though if you don't notice it or it doesn't bother you. I remember in the CRT days some people would get so bent out of shape over the aperture grille wires being visible on Sony's GDM monitors.
Hello JBL. Ha! Yeah, that's right those aperture grill wires. Some folks hated those. Though I tend to look at them with a degree of nostalgic affection. :)

Yes agree the pixel structure on this is not ideal. 4K certainly helps. And to mitigate I use BetterClearTypeTuner to set ClearType to Grayscale only option. I used to marvel at how clear the text was on the FW900. And a few times I've caught myself doing the same on this one, but then I remember it's fixed pixel and doesn't deserve the same credit as a device that's essentially an electron projector inside. :)

The thing I do notice sometimes, is odd vertical lines, e.g., yellow ones, in Excel, which does remind me that Windows doesn't always know what to do with this thing.

As a display that is shared with my work and enthusiast machines, I am overall very pleased though. In my mind, this is one of those special legendary displays along with e.g., the FW900. Due to its almost unique, unfortunately, combination of being OLED and having LG's motion clarity scanning technology. Getting 4K to an effective motion resolution of 312 Hz though far short of the ideal 1000 Hz, still seems a night and day difference, which I think suggests diminishing returns as we advance away from 120 Hz/FPS. (The CX also accepting 60 Hz input to get to the 312 Hz effective motion clarity. I guess removed in the C1 due to flicker and the more dramatic reduction in light output.)

Just checked and FWIW no sign yet of the pixel degradation along the edges that was starting to hit the CX.

This is basically still my setup:

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I have a 48in C2 that runs win11 for pc gaming. I have the scaling set to 300%. I have 0 issues with text. Everything is sharp as hell. It all just works. Best display I have ever bought for my pc was this 48in C2. I would buy it again in a heartbeat. I bought the C4 and was so unimpressed I took it back and kept the C2. There was no noticeable difference from the C2 TO MY EYES.
 
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I have a 48in C2 that runs win11 for pc gaming. I have the scaling set to 300%. I have 0 issues with text. Everything is sharp as hell. It all just works. Best display I have ever bought for my pc was this 48in C2. I would buy it again in a heartbeat. I bought the C4 and was so unimpressed I took it back and kept the C2. There was no noticeable difference from the C2 TO MY EYES.
Does the c2 come in a smaller size? When gaming at my desk that's why to large I'll prob go blind lol
 
Does the c2 come in a smaller size? When gaming at my desk that's why to large I'll prob go blind lol
42 inch for C2 onwards also available.

(48 inch here on a stand behind desk.)
 
Speaking of the C2, I had it for few days and was very disappointed and returned it and never looked back. It lacks the colors it's so dim the whites even look like a dull greyish color. I was expecting to be blown away but It was a big let down and I went with a powerful mini-led and realized what I had been missing my whole life. I only have experience (bad experience) with the C2 perhaps the brand new 2025 oleds are powerful not sure It's none of my concern but I wouldn't take a C2 if it was given to me for free lol
 
Well, the C1 and I'd imagine the C2 are plenty bright enough for me. For work, I run "OLED Pixel Brightness" at 0. (This is a light controlled room.) And maybe some folks just really crave the brightness, whereas for me it's the blacks, which is a big reason why I held onto to CRT for as long as I did. (Also the motion clarity though.)
 
Get MSI MPG 321URX. It is usually around 800-850 bucks. Best OLED out currently.
 
Speaking of the C2, I had it for few days and was very disappointed and returned it and never looked back. It lacks the colors it's so dim the whites even look like a dull greyish color. I was expecting to be blown away but It was a big let down and I went with a powerful mini-led and realized what I had been missing my whole life. I only have experience (bad experience) with the C2 perhaps the brand new 2025 oleds are powerful not sure It's none of my concern but I wouldn't take a C2 if it was given to me for free lol

Nah man you are absolutely correct and even the new C5 is still as dim as ever and require a totally dark room to get anything out of them. LG has pretty much made almost zero meaningful upgrades to the C series OLEDs in terms of brightness ever since the freaking C7 from 2017. The only 2025 OLEDs that are bright enough to be used in all but the brightest of rooms is the G5 and Samsung S95F which should satisfy most people but I do understand there could be use case situations where even 400 nits full field brightness isn't enough and you might need 600+ nits but again I think for 99% of people having 400 nits full field brightness is sufficient. I just bought an S95F scheduled for pick up next week and I cannot wait to finally be rid of my now 5 year old CX and experience a fully unleashed 2200+ nit QD OLED lol.
 
Zero burn in on my bright 2+ year old S95C, and I’ve put a few hundred hours in NS2 with fixed bright spots on the UI. Anecdotal experience and all, but man this TV has been amazing. The screen uniformity is fantastic and it has no dead pixels either.

I say make the space, grab that S95F, remove the matte coating and enjoy QD OLED in all its glory ❤️‍🔥
 
Nah man you are absolutely correct and even the new C5 is still as dim as ever and require a totally dark room to get anything out of them. LG has pretty much made almost zero meaningful upgrades to the C series OLEDs in terms of brightness ever since the freaking C7 from 2017. The only 2025 OLEDs that are bright enough to be used in all but the brightest of rooms is the G5 and Samsung S95F which should satisfy most people but I do understand there could be use case situations where even 400 nits full field brightness isn't enough and you might need 600+ nits but again I think for 99% of people having 400 nits full field brightness is sufficient. I just bought an S95F scheduled for pick up next week and I cannot wait to finally be rid of my now 5 year old CX and experience a fully unleashed 2200+ nit QD OLED lol.
1) Sure in size you picked it's not actually a WOLED?
2) Ok with matte or willing to peel it off?
3) Ok with one connect box? Does it have 40GB in limit of prior versions?

(I'd probably get the same one for a new OLED TV. However, some concerns as above...)
 
1) Sure in size you picked it's not actually a WOLED?
2) Ok with matte or willing to peel it off?
3) Ok with one connect box? Does it have 40GB in limit of prior versions?

(I'd probably get the same one for a new OLED TV. However, some concerns as above...)

1. 55 inch is QD OLED and so is 65 and 77 inches. I bought the 55 inch so it's not WOLED. The S95F actually has no WOLED panels at all, the 83 inch is the tandem RGB panel while the smaller sizes are all QD OLED, only the S90F contains WOLED options.
2. I dunno I'll have to get the TV in hand first and see it in person before I make a judgement call. Based on my experience with the matte PG32UCDP however I don't think I'll be too bothered by it, this isn't the type of matte finish found on a 2010 IPS monitor.
3. It does have a 40Gbps limit which is a moot point because even 48Gbps will not do 4K 165Hz 10bit without DSC so either way you are using DSC no matter what and HDTVTest saw no issues running 4K 165Hz off the oneconnect box.
 
My understanding is that Tandem RGB still has the white subpixel.
 
My understanding is that Tandem RGB still has the white subpixel.

That doesn't really make sense though, wouldn't they have at least called it tandem RGWB then or something along those lines if a white subpixel was still in the equation? I also don't see the presence of a white subpixel in any image of it. A bit misleading if there's still a white subpixel but they try to name it in a way that suggest otherwise.

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I think they just managed to come up with a brighter white OLED layer before it hits their RGB color filters. And less pollution then from the unfiltered white subpixel messing with the primaries allowed by that...I'm guessing.
 
That doesn't really make sense though, wouldn't they have at least called it tandem RGWB then or something along those lines if a white subpixel was still in the equation? I also don't see the presence of a white subpixel in any image of it. A bit misleading if there's still a white subpixel but they try to name it in a way that suggest otherwise.

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RGB Tandem is still WOLED and apparently has RGBW subpixel structure. Most likely LG doesn't use "W" in the marketing materials because white subpixel is blamed for color washout at higher luminance levels.
I found actual measurements for it https://www.avforums.com/reviews/lg-g5-oled65g5-4k-oled-tv-review.22592/
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For reference typical WOLED light spectrum
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Personally I am interested in how these panels look to my own eyes but if I had to guess there is only slight improvement to the kind of issues I can* experience but they are nowhere fixed. Otherwise I would image there is big improvement to the kind of issues people mostly complain about. It is likely color washout still happens at higher luminance levels but comparatively reduced in comparison to older WOLEDs and being shifted to much higher luminance levels is much less of an issue. Personally at luminance levels I use my WOLED I have not experienced it anyways.

Unfortunately reviews mention near-black posterization issues on LG G5 and worse viewing angles than even MLA WOLEDs which were already worse than QD-OLED - which is itself pretty much perfection. Also there is no mention if near-black flashing was fixed or not - and since these posterization issues do look like this same flashing so maybe this is it and LG didn't fix this issue. Anyways, information available so far point to QD-OLED being still much better.
 
RGB Tandem is still WOLED and apparently has RGBW subpixel structure. Most likely LG doesn't use "W" in the marketing materials because white subpixel is blamed for color washout at higher luminance levels.
I found actual measurements for it https://www.avforums.com/reviews/lg-g5-oled65g5-4k-oled-tv-review.22592/
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Personally I am interested in how these panels look to my own eyes but if I had to guess there is only slight improvement to the kind of issues I can* experience but they are nowhere fixed. Otherwise I would image there is big improvement to the kind of issues people mostly complain about. It is likely color washout still happens at higher luminance levels but comparatively reduced in comparison to older WOLEDs and being shifted to much higher luminance levels is much less of an issue. Personally at luminance levels I use my WOLED I have not experienced it anyways.

Unfortunately reviews mention near-black posterization issues on LG G5 and worse viewing angles than even MLA WOLEDs which were already worse than QD-OLED - which is itself pretty much perfection. Also there is no mention if near-black flashing was fixed or not - and since these posterization issues do look like this same flashing so maybe this is it and LG didn't fix this issue. Anyways, information available so far point to QD-OLED being still much better.

Welp that just makes me even more glad I decided to pick up the S95F instead. I was actually waiting for the G5 to be in stock but throughout this entire month I've never seen Bestbuy stock the 55 inch even once while the 55 inch S95F went on sale for $2100. Apparently the matte coating on it is a simple peel off too, doesn't require soaking your display with wet paper towels like I've seen on some old school de matte methods for monitors so if I'm really bothered by it then I can just peel it off.
 
I thought someone mentioned water still involved, but video I saw appears taken down now. Can't find it. Anyways looked doable. I assume that voids warranty though.
 
The more monitors that come out with weird firmware issues, sub-part brightness and exorbitant 4-digit prices, the more I'm so glad that LG still makes the 42" C-series and that it works SO damn well for a desktop display.
 
The more monitors that come out with weird firmware issues, sub-part brightness and exorbitant 4-digit prices, the more I'm so glad that LG still makes the 42" C-series and that it works SO damn well for a desktop display.
Amen to that.
 
There are plenty of reuploads or talking head videos about the subject floating around.


View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RxqEiUZdIwU

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There are, but question as to who has the best technique. This fellow claimed to and I remember water was mentioned. Could have been regarding clean up following removal. That video is gone now though. So couldn't recheck. Saw part of the one above with FOMO seemingly struggling with the removal, but didn't see the whole thing. Also the warranty thing.
 
The more monitors that come out with weird firmware issues, sub-part brightness and exorbitant 4-digit prices, the more I'm so glad that LG still makes the 42" C-series and that it works SO damn well for a desktop display.

Needs 240Hz at least though it's been long enough.
 
I once read that people like glossy screens because we are instinctively drawn to water which has this exact reflective looks to it.
Maybe some people even see colors as more vibrant when they look at surface which looks like water... I personally don't really see it.
In fact I don't like any reflections and specifically got matte WOLED monitor over TV to be able to use screen in any lighting conditions. It has the same colors as I see people have on TVs.

To me it look these guys changed screen which is usable in bright light environments like the one they shoot photos at to screen which is unusable at such environments.
Maybe it will be a bit brighter without this film and has less magenta tint to it in bright environment but if screen is unusable in bright environment I am not sure what is the point of it really is.
S95D is however known to pick some of its own light causing haloing making it look kinda like CRT... I guess I could live with that unless it is too strong. S95F is supposed to reduce such effects.

I would rather get "90" series to get glossy. Much much cheaper. Less bright and has some other reductions but much cheaper - enough to make 65 inch cheaper than 55 inch 95 series.

Anyways, nice to know you can repair such screen by removing outer film from it. Maybe if I get such TV and it get damaged or have opportunity to get one with just this issue for very cheap it could get useful.

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Refactored post a little.
BTW. Watched the last video and imho guy is hallucinating.
One moment obvious in your face reflections are somehow non-issue because they are so dim and actually almost visible and only in very bright environments (exactly the kind unsuitable for glare monitors) is some kind of extreme issue - if you void warranty risking ruining the TV it must be extreme issue.
Also from what the guy said you could imagine that panel got like twice as bright. In reality it probably got a little brighter and that's all.
 
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Needs 240Hz at least though it's been long enough.
The S95F is only 165Hz. Maybe you intend this more as a TV though? (However, then it's too small for 4K. Unless I guess you're sitting really close.) S90F versus S95F for a monitor, I'd still take the latter, but with an understanding that I was about to lose my warranty. :)


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View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R95S5RDmjhU

I'd want that additional 21Hz, which appears to make a noticeable difference. (But why though...maybe Display Guy's photos exaggerate the effect. I'd want the most I could get though.)
 
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The S95F is only 165Hz. Maybe you intend this more as a TV though? (However, then it's too small for 4K. Unless I guess you're sitting really close.) S90F versus S95F for a monitor, I'd still take the latter, but with an understanding that I was about to lose my warranty. :)

What does the S95F have anything to do with this? But sure I wish it was 240Hz also. In fact I wished all mid tier and premium OLED TVs were at least 240Hz.
 
What does the S95F have anything to do with this? But sure I wish it was 240Hz also. In fact I wished all mid tier and premium OLED TVs were at least 240Hz.
You said you were about to get one. So posted two reviews related to same. Guess I actually still have some doubts about that model for use as a monitor. And doubts about that size for use as a TV...
 
You said you were about to get one. So posted two reviews related to same. Guess I actually still have some doubts about that model for use as a monitor. And doubts about that size for use as a TV...

Sure but just because I'm getting one does that mean I shouldn't say the C series needs 240Hz or something lol. At least the S95F is a massive upgrade in picture quality over the previous years while the C series basically gets no image quality upgrades so the very least they can do is upgrade the refresh rate to 240Hz. Most current C series owners are actually just waiting for 240Hz before they upgrade, I personally got the S95F because I wanted a better HDR experience it wasn't about the refresh rate upgrade.
 
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Oh the super human eyesight of some people - they can even see slight blurring of subpixel shape.
I have no such vision.
 
My C2 is plenty bright and I have no issues with color like you have. Maybe you got a shitty unit. In broad daylight my C2 is plenty bright. Not sure what you guys are smoking. Higher refresh would be nice but 120hz is ok for now. I'll take glossy any day over matte. Anyways, G5 will be my next display.
 
With all this chitter I have yet to pick the best oled lol
If your base requirement is still 1440P, I'd suggest again that a wide screen with that vertical would be more fun/interesting. :)
 
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