Upgrade to oled?

[jbltecnicspro]

I currently have a led ips.. Is it worth going to oled for me? Will the difference blow me away or is just a minor upgrade? I don't care for minor upgrades

Infinit contrast vs the typical 1000:1 - 2000:1 IPS contrast is no joke. An old calibrated CRT monitor in a light-controlled room would blow an IPS away. The blacks are far blacker and everything just "pops". I mention CRT because the highest end monitors could do 10,000:1 contrast.

OLED is even better than that.

 

[Pivo504]

Infinit contrast vs the typical 1000:1 - 2000:1 IPS contrast is no joke. An old calibrated CRT monitor in a light-controlled room would blow an IPS away. The blacks are far blacker and everything just "pops". I mention CRT because the highest end monitors could do 10,000:1 contrast.

OLED is even better than that.

So oled will blow away my led ips panel? Which one do you recommend I get if I want to game at 1440p? I'm thinking of going bigger than 27 maybe a 34??

 

[jbltecnicspro]

So oled will blow away my led ips panel? Which one do you recommend I get if I want to game at 1440p? I'm thinking of going bigger than 27 maybe a 34??

I don't really have much of a recommendation. But yes it would blow away your IPS panel. Pure black is something you have to see. My opinion? Get the most pixels you can afford. The pixel structure on both LG and Samsung panels are a bit unconventional. 4K negates this. My personal opinion is that the QD-OLED is the superior panel because it most closely matches conventional RGB sub pixel structure. It has RGB sub pixels but they're arranged in a triangular fashion. LG uses four sub pixels. RWGB (Red, white, green, blue), which can hurt text clarity for some. For gaming I think both are fine. I would still probably prefer QD-OLED myself because of the increased color volume but I don't think you can go wrong with either. Figure out what you want and then go from there.

 

[Pivo504]

I don't really have much of a recommendation. But yes it would blow away your IPS panel. Pure black is something you have to see. My opinion? Get the most pixels you can afford. The pixel structure on both LG and Samsung panels are a bit unconventional. 4K negates this. My personal opinion is that the QD-OLED is the superior panel because it most closely matches conventional RGB sub pixel structure. It has RGB sub pixels but they're arranged in a triangular fashion. LG uses four sub pixels. RWGB (Red, white, green, blue), which can hurt text clarity for some. For gaming I think both are fine. I would still probably prefer QD-OLED myself because of the increased color volume but I don't think you can go wrong with either. Figure out what you want and then go from there.

Appreciate the response. Can you point me to some panels that use this technology? I'd like to stick to 1440p since my pc plays everything perfectly at this resolution. However I'd like to maybe go to 32 to be a tad bigger than my current 27 inch.. Needs to be g sync since my gpu is Nvidia

 

[BlueLineSwinger]

Appreciate the response. Can you point me to some panels that use this technology? I'd like to stick to 1440p since my pc plays everything perfectly at this resolution. However I'd like to maybe go to 32 to be a tad bigger than my current 27 inch.. Needs to be g sync since my gpu is Nvidia

Check review sites. Top of my head, Techspot and it's sister YouTube channel Monitors Unboxed have good reviews. There's also Rtings.

 

[XoR_]

OLEDs are superior but like with everything there are caveats and issues - so it is compromise of sorts.
I personally don't use OLEDs for desktop because of burn-in and not so great font clarity.
You also need to be aware of VRR flicker - which in my experience is hardly an issue but in some situations it can be an issue e.g. especially when frame rate is low and around lower end of VRR range. Also Frame Generation unless you use v-sync (read: use FG to max out frame rate) will cause a lot of flickering. Otherwise this is so non-issue I often forget about this even being a thing.
Then subpixel structure isn't perfect.
Biggest reason I don't use desktop is burn-in.

I recommend QD-OLED and not so much replacing display but adding another monitor on the desk.

 

[Pivo504]

OLEDs are superior but like with everything there are caveats and issues - so it is compromise of sorts.
I personally don't use OLEDs for desktop because of burn-in and not so great font clarity.
You also need to be aware of VRR flicker - which in my experience is hardly an issue but in some situations it can be an issue e.g. especially when frame rate is low and around lower end of VRR range. Also Frame Generation unless you use v-sync (read: use FG to max out frame rate) will cause a lot of flickering. Otherwise this is so non-issue I often forget about this even being a thing.
Then subpixel structure isn't perfect.
Biggest reason I don't use desktop is burn-in.

I recommend QD-OLED and not so much replacing display but adding another monitor on the desk.

Yeah I don't really like having 2 monitors.. I really only upgrade when it's a considerable difference.. Oled is all the rage but if it's not going to be a huge upgrade from what I currently have I don't see the point? What would be a huge upgrade from where I'm at now?

 

[XoR_]

Yeah I don't really like having 2 monitors.. I really only upgrade when it's a considerable difference.. Oled is all the rage but if it's not going to be a huge upgrade from what I currently have I don't see the point? What would be a huge upgrade from where I'm at now?

If you want advice it would make sense to say model of your monitor.

Otherwise if you want somethign which is likely 100% upgrade without any OLED downsides you can get FALD IPS panel. You won't get benefits OLED have but FALD displays usually have very wide gamut and should have very good colors. They are much brightner so pretty good for HDR - with a caveat per-pixel contrast is worse than on OLED. Also no VRR flicker issues. BTW. So far the only displays with zero VRR flicker issues are IPS panels.

One potential issue is price as such monitors are quite expensive.
Some people like these FALD backlight IPS displays much more than OLED monitors and certainly as single display such display should make sense.
For dual displays setup just slapping cheap 1440p QD-OLED makes more sense - unless you want super bright display which OLEDs are certainly not. To be precise at most you can get bright highlights but only a small part of the screen and personally I don't use this feature because I don't like idea of burning in panel for barely important visual effect. On my monitor I tend to use mode with 450 nits maximum luminance when I play in HDR and in SDR I tend to keep it within 200 nits. On FALD displays you can blast 1000 nits full screen.

 

[Pivo504]

If you want advice it would make sense to say model of your monitor.

Otherwise if you want somethign which is likely 100% upgrade without any OLED downsides you can get FALD IPS panel. You won't get benefits OLED have but FALD displays usually have very wide gamut and should have very good colors. They are much brightner so pretty good for HDR - with a caveat per-pixel contrast is worse than on OLED. Also no VRR flicker issues. BTW. So far the only displays with zero VRR flicker issues are IPS panels.

One potential issue is price as such monitors are quite expensive.
Some people like these FALD backlight IPS displays much more than OLED monitors and certainly as single display such display should make sense.
For dual displays setup just slapping cheap 1440p QD-OLED makes more sense - unless you want super bright display which OLEDs are certainly not. To be precise at most you can get bright highlights but only a small part of the screen and personally I don't use this feature because I don't like idea of burning in panel for barely important visual effect. On my monitor I tend to use mode with 450 nits maximum luminance when I play in HDR and in SDR I tend to keep it within 200 nits. On FALD displays you can blast 1000 nits full screen.

My first post.. Anyways it's Acer predator 1440p 27 inch led 165hz ips panel... What oled would blow it away and be an upgrade but still be able to stay at 1440p bc that's my sweet spot

 

[XoR_]

My first post.. Anyways it's Acer predator 1440p 27 inch led 165hz ips panel... What oled would blow it away and be an upgrade but still be able to stay at 1440p bc that's my sweet spot

FYI you still you didn't provide model of monitor you are using.
To be honest I have no idea what is your angle. You ask if OLED is an upgrade but are vague about anything, don't say anything what you would see as an upgrade (as in what you don't like about your current monitor) or any information whatsoever and re-ask the same question over and over again despite being provided an answer.
Are you a troll?

 

[Pivo504]

Sorry for asking again but no one is actually linking any models for me to look at... Mine is a Acer Predator XB3 - 27" Display WQHD 2560x1440 IPS 165Hz 16:9 1ms 400Nit.. I've had it now for a very long time over 5 years likely and trying to find out if oled is might and day better

 

[Pivo504]

Yes.

Link to the top ones?

 

[XoR_]

I only don't recommend WOLEDs and otherwise not sure which QD-OLED is the best to get.

I have MSI MAG 271QPX and I love its HDR implementation and use it 100% of the time in HDR mode. SDR implementation is sheet though, and especially sRGB is downright broken. No need to use SDR mode on Windows or gaming consoles.
Good HDR also means I need to use something like this https://github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm because Microsoft could not be bothered to implement SDR emulation correctly. It is one-time configuration and otherwise no issues with it and much better than monitor trying to correct Windows blunders because in the latter case it is near impossible to avoid black crush.

From other nice things in this specific MSI QD-OLED model is ability to disable all ABL features in VESA HDR mode. There is only some power limiting so it works more like plasma panels but otherwise for e.g. desktop with normal luminance levels I see zero ABL. There is 1000 nits HDR mode which has some ABL but I see no point in such bright image.

360Hz means its 3rd generation QD-OLED.
If you go for cheaper 1440p 240Hz model it will likely have 2nd generation panel - which is worse in the sense it has lighter quantum dot colror pickign light much more than 3rd gen. No difference in pitch black room but does make difference when there is some light in the room.
WOLED of course has no such issue at all but I don't recommend WOLEDs. Cannot recommend display which cannot be looked at with optimal visual focus or it looks terrible.

 

[Pivo504]

I only don't recommend WOLEDs and otherwise not sure which QD-OLED is the best to get.

I have MSI MAG 271QPX and I love its HDR implementation and use it 100% of the time in HDR mode. SDR implementation is sheet though, and especially sRGB is downright broken. No need to use SDR mode on Windows or gaming consoles.
Good HDR also means I need to use something like this https://github.com/dylanraga/win11hdr-srgb-to-gamma2.2-icm because Microsoft could not be bothered to implement SDR emulation correctly. It is one-time configuration and otherwise no issues with it and much better than monitor trying to correct Windows blunders because in the latter case it is near impossible to avoid black crush.

From other nice things in this specific MSI QD-OLED model is ability to disable all ABL features in VESA HDR mode. There is only some power limiting so it works more like plasma panels but otherwise for e.g. desktop with normal luminance levels I see zero ABL. There is 1000 nits HDR mode which has some ABL but I see no point in such bright image.

360Hz means its 3rd generation QD-OLED.
If you go for cheaper 1440p 240Hz model it will likely have 2nd generation panel - which is worse in the sense it has lighter quantum dot colror pickign light much more than 3rd gen. No difference in pitch black room but does make difference when there is some light in the room.
WOLED of course has no such issue at all but I don't recommend WOLEDs. Cannot recommend display which cannot be looked at with optimal visual focus or it looks terrible.

Was hoping to go a tad bigger so it feels like an upgrade instead of sticking with the same size... Going to 360hz prob is a waste bc most modern games with rt or even without won't ever even get close to 240 or helll even 144....

 

[SH1]

Both OLED technologies have issues. And overall both are gorgeous. True blacks of OLED are fantastic. This will be lost to some extent if you're not in a room with some light control.

I've got the 2021 LG OLED C1, which turns 120 Hz into an effective around 312 Hz visually and at 4K and you'd have to pry this thing out of my cold, dead, hands.

Well, not really. Lol...

It is a fantastic device though. As to whether its WOLED or QD-OLED, who cares. Looks great and until LG or Samsung bring back this scanning technology, I don't. (Multi-Frame generation is another approach. I'm combining the two for Cyberpunk now...)

As to picking a monitor generally, word seems to be a 240Hz 32" OLED. Maybe check out Monitors Unboxed or The Display Guy on YouTube...

 

[Pivo504]

Both OLED technologies have issues. And overall both are gorgeous. True blacks of OLED are fantastic. This will be lost to some extent if you're not in a room with some light control.

I've got the 2021 LG OLED C1, which turns 120 Hz into an effective around 312 Hz visually and at 4K and you'd have to pry this thing out of my cold, dead, hands.

Well, not really. Lol...

It is a fantastic device though. As to whether its WOLED or QD-OLED, who cares. Looks great and until LG or Samsung bring back this scanning technology, I don't. (Multi-Frame generation is another approach. I'm combining the two for Cyberpunk now...)

As to picking a monitor generally, word seems to be a 240Hz 32" OLED. Maybe check out Monitors Unboxed or The Display Guy on YouTube...

Thanks for the reply but it's there a 32 inch oled with 1440p? What's the updated version of your 2021 oled for today?

 

[SH1]

Thanks for the reply but it's there a 32 inch oled with 1440p? What's the updated version of your 2021 oled for today?

Sorry I was probably more motivated to comment by that nonsense about WOLED looking cheap and such. Mine looks gorgeous. (Unless specifically that was with regard to monitors, where I don't love a matte coating on a monitor.)

LG Display ended this panel and its great motion tech after 2021 panels to their disgrace. (To be fair, probably was just the economics of it in the face of new competition from Samsung. Anyway...)

I did get the sense that you were looking for something larger than 27", which I imagine certainly would feel more like an upgrade. 1440 is problematic at the larger sizes though as others have mentioned.

These are 27", but a 34" gets an honorable mention.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/best/1440p-gaming-monitors#:~:text=The MSI MPG 341CQPX QD,may not be for everyone.

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled

 

[XoR_]

Sorry I was probably more motivated to comment by that nonsense about WOLED looking cheap and such. Mine looks gorgeous. (Unless specifically that was with regard to monitors, where I don't love a matte coating on a monitor.)

Just because you don't see any issues with WOLED panels doesn't mean it is how these panels look for everyone.

 

[Comixbooks]

When I bought my 27" lens array LG oled I was totally blown away thinking about picking up the 480 hz version since it has a Vesa adapter I wanted the thing slightly lower than the Stock stand OLED = Less eyestrain for gaming by tons less OLED is even better than VA LCD panels. Way better than IPS I never met a IPS I liked. Mind you I still use a 2011 DVI 21.5" TN LCD for general use just like the small size. OLED might be too rich for General use I just use my OLED for gaming. Laptop OLED screens might be better for General use than the bigger sizes.

 

[SH1]

With the demise of CRT, it's been a rough century for display enthusiasts. There are issues certainly, but in comparison to most of it, this is a new golden age of displays. I would go by particular models and not discount an entire OLED technology.

 

[XoR_]

Was hoping to go a tad bigger so it feels like an upgrade instead of sticking with the same size... Going to 360hz prob is a waste bc most modern games with rt or even without won't ever even get close to 240 or helll even 144....

You can always skip the whole OLED fad and wait for proper upgrade

 

[Pivo504]

You can always skip the whole OLED fad and wait for proper upgrade

What would that be though? I feel like oled will be an upgrade but I want to go a tad bigger but I don't want to go bigger on resolution.. I really think 1440p is the sweet spot and plays every game awesome without having to upgrade often... What do you guys think of the curved monitors Vs straight? What's considered the best of the best with oled in the 27 inch?

 

[Pivo504]

So been looking at these 3...?!? Opinions is there something better

 

[Comixbooks]

I would get the LG just for the Vesa mount holes in case if the adjustable Stand is too high. It comes with a remote control for monitor settings. Plus if you loose the remote you can buy a TV LG remote and it work with the monitor as well. I have "Variable sync" turned off on mine something with flickering in games that drives me nuts but it's still usable.

 

[Pivo504]

I would get the LG just for the Vesa mount holes in case if the adjustable Stand is too high. It comes with a remote control for monitor settings. Plus if you loose the remote you can buy a TV LG remote and it work with the monitor as well. I have "Variable sync" turned off on mine something with flickering in games that drives me nuts but it's still usable.

Well it's the LG one the best? The website mentions 1440p but I'm not sure if that's correct for a 32 inch?? I don't want to go higher than 1440p right now

 

[Comixbooks]

I'm pretty sure those all use LG panels you listed Dell uses Samsung. Any OLED is better than a LCD. If you never used 32 before I would stick with 27".

 

[SH1]

Well it's the LG one the best? The website mentions 1440p but I'm not sure if that's correct for a 32 inch?? I don't want to go higher than 1440p right now

If that includes 34" widescreen, I'd want that then. Such as those discussed here:

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled

My dad has the original Dell version and loves the thing.

If you're staying with 27", then the 480 and 500 Hz ones are the more interesting to me. (Not sure of the latter's ETA.)

https://www.pcworld.com/article/262...g-500hz-oled-screens-for-gaming-monitors.html

 

[Flybye]

A few of you have mentioned text clarity on an OLED is not great. Does that also apply to a 4k OLED? I have a 27" 4k IPS with the best dang sharpness I've ever had which I use for work and spreadsheets. I'm just curious how it would compare to it since I'm considering an OLED for another PC.

 

[Sycraft]

A few of you have mentioned text clarity on an OLED is not great. Does that also apply to a 4k OLED? I have a 27" 4k IPS with the best dang sharpness I've ever had which I use for work and spreadsheets. I'm just curious how it would compare to it since I'm considering an OLED for another PC.

I mean yes and no.

So yes, OLED always has less clarity than an equivalent IPS at this time because Windows text anti-aliasing assumes an RGB stripe subpixel configuration and neither kind of OLED has that. So that means in an equal-equal comparison, OLED will be less clear.

However no, it shouldn't be a big issue because 27" 4k is pretty high PPI and the smaller the pixels and sub pixels, the less it matters. At 163 PPI, the individual pixels are real hard to perceive and you probably want to use at least 125% scaling, and likely 150% scaling. With that, it should look very smooth.

 

[MistaSparkul]

A few of you have mentioned text clarity on an OLED is not great. Does that also apply to a 4k OLED? I have a 27" 4k IPS with the best dang sharpness I've ever had which I use for work and spreadsheets. I'm just curious how it would compare to it since I'm considering an OLED for another PC.

True RGB subpixel panels should be coming from LG next year. Keep an eye out for that if you want the best possible text clarity from an OLED. I'll be upgrading to one if the brightness improvement over my PG32UCDP is big enough.

 

[XoR_]

True RGB subpixel panels should be coming from LG next year. Keep an eye out for that if you want the best possible text clarity from an OLED. I'll be upgrading to one if the brightness improvement over my PG32UCDP is big enough.

Does it mean they won't use W subpixel anymore?

 

[MistaSparkul]

Does it mean they won't use W subpixel anymore?

I would assume so, otherwise why say TRUE RGB if there's still a W pixel in there somewhere.

 

[Flybye]

I mean yes and no.

So yes, OLED always has less clarity than an equivalent IPS at this time because Windows text anti-aliasing assumes an RGB stripe subpixel configuration and neither kind of OLED has that. So that means in an equal-equal comparison, OLED will be less clear.

However no, it shouldn't be a big issue because 27" 4k is pretty high PPI and the smaller the pixels and sub pixels, the less it matters. At 163 PPI, the individual pixels are real hard to perceive and you probably want to use at least 125% scaling, and likely 150% scaling. With that, it should look very smooth.

Exactly what I was thinking on how the 4k's PPI should offset it.

Wife got a Macbook a few years ago with a 14" 3024 x 1964 screen which puts it at 254 PPI and made everything look buttery smooth. I was only using dual 1920x1200 24" (about 95 PPI) monitors back then, and it really started to bug me how "chunkier" everything, especially text looked. I saw my 4K at Microcenter, and I was blown away at the clarity. But I wasn't considering an OLED back then for the gaming rig. I do use windows at 150% scaling, but I reduce magnification on browsers and Excel to 80-90%.

 

[Pivo504]

If that includes 34" widescreen, I'd want that then. Such as those discussed here:

https://www.rtings.com/monitor/reviews/msi/mpg-341cqpx-qd-oled

My dad has the original Dell version and loves the thing.

If you're staying with 27", then the 480 and 500 Hz ones are the more interesting to me. (Not sure of the latter's ETA.)

https://www.pcworld.com/article/262...g-500hz-oled-screens-for-gaming-monitors.html

Problem with going 34 is you need the hardware to push it.. Staying at 1440p is where my hardware is at.. Also alot of games might not even support 34 inch native nez

 

[Pivo504]

A few of you have mentioned text clarity on an OLED is not great. Does that also apply to a 4k OLED? I have a 27" 4k IPS with the best dang sharpness I've ever had which I use for work and spreadsheets. I'm just curious how it would compare to it since I'm considering an OLED for another PC.

What oled are you going with? I also have 27 ips but mine is 1440p

 

[Sycraft]

Exactly what I was thinking on how the 4k's PPI should offset it.

Wife got a Macbook a few years ago with a 14" 3024 x 1964 screen which puts it at 254 PPI and made everything look buttery smooth. I was only using dual 1920x1200 24" (about 95 PPI) monitors back then, and it really started to bug me how "chunkier" everything, especially text looked. I saw my 4K at Microcenter, and I was blown away at the clarity. But I wasn't considering an OLED back then for the gaming rig. I do use windows at 150% scaling, but I reduce magnification on browsers and Excel to 80-90%.

The higher the PPI, the less any issues like subpixel structure, or even things like anti-aliasing, matter. They don't disappear completely, but they get harder and harder to notice. At the distance you have a monitor normally 163PPI isn't enough for everything to be totally imperceptible, but it is enough for it to be very minor.

That's also why this was never such an issue for TVs, because most people sit far enough away to make them a smaller part of your FOV, and thus the individual elements smaller. I have a 4k 1st gen QD-OLED TV and it is far enough away I have to do 200% scale on it. At that distance/scale, you really can't see anything at all with the subpixel structure.

 

[Flybye]

What oled are you going with? I also have 27 ips but mine is 1440p

Oh, I have no clue. I’m still exploring, gathering info, etc. I may not even get one for the gaming rig anytime soon. But based on pics I’ve seen, OLED definitely gives the best contrast and deepest blacks.

 

[XoR_]

What would that be though? I feel like oled will be an upgrade but I want to go a tad bigger but I don't want to go bigger on resolution.. I really think 1440p is the sweet spot and plays every game awesome without having to upgrade often... What do you guys think of the curved monitors Vs straight? What's considered the best of the best with oled in the 27 inch?

These upcoming RGB panels from LG might be what you are looking for.
Not sure if LG will resolve near-black flashing so not sure if I will recommend them but they should have excellent text clarity, no color fringing issues etc.
Also because new stack structure and missing W subpixel should be free from excessive rod stimulation which is terrible on WOLED.

Otherwise if can afford it just get QD-OLED and best use it as secondary monitor for games/videos - in which case subpixel structure doesn't matter.

 

[xDiVolatilX]

I would stay away from oleds personally. They are very dim and lack powerful color brightness also necessitating being in a dark room. To top it of they are suseptable to pixel burn in.
If you want a bulletproof powerhouse that's probably 4x the brightness and 10x the lifespan go with a good mini- led for example like the Samsung QN90D. I have 2 of them for gaming movies and work and I adore them. Tried oleds and returned them the next day don't fall for the OLED hype it's not for everyone.

 

[MistaSparkul]

I would stay away from oleds personally. They are very dim and lack powerful color brightness also necessitating being in a dark room. To top it of they are suseptable to pixel burn in.
If you want a bulletproof powerhouse that's probably 4x the brightness and 10x the lifespan go with a good mini- led for example like the Samsung QN90D. I have 2 of them for gaming movies and work and I adore them. Tried oleds and returned them the next day don't fall for the OLED hype it's not for everyone.

Burn in yup, but dim? At least not the TVs. Unless you consider the Samsung S95F doing 2300 nits peak and 440 nits full field to somehow be dim in which case the QN90D should be considered dim too since it doesn't even hit 2300 nits.