The Router Recommendations Thread (Consumer)

[CAD4466HK]

Yeah,

Long story short, OPNSense was founded when M0n0wall shut down a few years back. Netgate, the company behind pfSense didn't like when they suddenly had a new competitor on the market after M0n0wall shut down, and did a lot of shitty things to the OPNSesne project, including creating a fake website for OPNSense in which they made it seem like OPNSense was pro-nazi, and many other things.

It was really petty and disgusting.

And then OPNSense sued pfSense over it in court and won.

After that I just didn't have any desire to use pfSense anymore.

As with everything, there is two sides to every story, and pfSense probably paint themselves as the victim of all of this as well, but I was just really turned off when it comes to pfSense after the whole ordeal.

Wow, consider me educated. This puts pfSense in a whole different light.
I'll let my cousin know about this ASAP. Thanks for the insight.

 

[Milehigh]

Looking for a router recommendation, I do NOT need wifi on the router as I have 3 Ubiquiti wireless access points through the house with great coverage. Can I skip having wifi on the router? Recommendations for a router without wifi? Thanks

 

[Zarathustra[H]]

Looking for a router recommendation, I do NOT need wifi on the router as I have 3 Ubiquiti wireless access points through the house with great coverage. Can I skip having wifi on the router? Recommendations for a router without wifi? Thanks

You are a perfect candidate for a custom OPNSense or pfSense build as discussed a few posts up. These are much more flexible and powerful than any consumer router, and many (most?) enterprise systems, if you spec them right.

Or you could buy one of the embedded solutions that both of them offer. OPNSense's embedded products are a little bit higher end and pricier. The ones pfSense offers (as Netgate) span the range a little more and are available as cheaper home products all the way up to the more expensive ones that OPNSense offers.

The OPNSense Hardware

The Netgate/pfSense Hardware

For reasons discussed previously, I have some ethical issues with Netgate, but not every purchase decision needs to be an ethical decision. Sometimes you just have to buy the best product for your needs.

If you really like the Unifi ecosystem, Unifi has some products as well that are very reasonably priced, and will integrate nicely with your Unifi controller you are already likely using for those AP's.

These embedded solutions will pale in comparison to the processing capability of a custom x86-based router though. You can use old PC hardware you have laying around, as long as you get a good NIC with two or more ports) or have them on board. (Usually best to avoid Realtek though) You don't even need server grade hardware (though server grade NIC's help) and if you have gigabit or lower performance needs, this can be very affordable.

I'm pushing gigabit speed through Wireguard VPN for my entire network entirely on my OPNSense router. Mine is on a Xeon chip with a Supermicro server board (but there is no reason you have to go this more expensive route if you don't want to. Most people who build OPNSense or pfSense do it with spare PC hardware they have laying around and a dedicated cheap dual port Intel gigabit NIC.

 

[Milehigh]

You are a perfect candidate for a custom OPNSense or pfSense build as discussed a few posts up. These are much more flexible and powerful than any consumer router, and many (most?) enterprise systems, if you spec them right.

Or you could buy one of the embedded solutions that both of them offer. OPNSense's embedded products are a little bit higher end and pricier. The ones pfSense offers (as Netgate) span the range a little more and are available as cheaper home products all the way up to the more expensive ones that OPNSense offers.

The OPNSense Hardware

The Netgate/pfSense Hardware

For reasons discussed previously, I have some ethical issues with Netgate, but not every purchase decision needs to be an ethical decision. Sometimes you just have to buy the best product for your needs.

If you really like the Unifi ecosystem, Unifi has some products as well that are very reasonably priced, and will integrate nicely with your Unifi controller you are already likely using for those AP's.

These embedded solutions will pale in comparison to the processing capability of a custom x86-based router though. You can use old PC hardware you have laying around, as long as you get a good NIC with two or more ports) or have them on board. (Usually best to avoid Realtek though) You don't even need server grade hardware (though server grade NIC's help) and if you have gigabit or lower performance needs, this can be very affordable.

I'm pushing gigabit speed through Wireguard VPN for my entire network entirely on my OPNSense router. Mine is on a Xeon chip with a Supermicro server board (but there is no reason you have to go this more expensive route if you don't want to. Most people who build OPNSense or pfSense do it with spare PC hardware they have laying around and a dedicated cheap dual port Intel gigabit NIC.

Thanks for the detailed advice... as luck would have it, due to a basement finish and having to downsize some storage, I got rid of some older PC stuff laying around which would have worked perfectly. With that said, I'm retired so can spend some time researching building my own with either solution you suggested. My buddy probably has a ton of stuff I could utilize, need to get him over for a beer and discuss

 

[SamirD]

Looking for a router recommendation, I do NOT need wifi on the router as I have 3 Ubiquiti wireless access points through the house with great coverage. Can I skip having wifi on the router? Recommendations for a router without wifi? Thanks

Personally, I like used watchguard units. They're ridiculously cheap for what they can do, even if their firmware can't be updated.

 

[Dopamin3]

Yeah,

Long story short, OPNSense was founded when M0n0wall shut down a few years back. Netgate, the company behind pfSense didn't like when they suddenly had a new competitor on the market after M0n0wall shut down, and did a lot of shitty things to the OPNSesne project, including creating a fake website for OPNSense in which they made it seem like OPNSense was pro-nazi, and many other things.

It was really petty and disgusting.

And then OPNSense sued pfSense over it in court and won.

After that I just didn't have any desire to use pfSense anymore.

As with everything, there are likely two sides to every story, and pfSense probably paint themselves as the victim of all of this as well in their version of it, but I was just really turned off when it comes to pfSense after the whole ordeal.

Not using Netgate products / pfSense for their childish antics is entirely justified, but I'll give another good reason. Let's take a trip back to the release of pfSense 2.5, where they actually shipped a Wireguard kernel module (it almost got upstreamed into FreeBSD but thank goodness it wasn't) that Jason Donenfeld (the creator of Wireguard) said this about:

Spoiler: quote

I imagined strange Internet voices jeering, “this is what gives C a bad name!” There were random sleeps added to “fix” race conditions, validation functions that just returned true, catastrophic cryptographic vulnerabilities, whole parts of the protocol unimplemented, kernel panics, security bypasses, overflows, random printf statements deep in crypto code, the most spectacular buffer overflows, and the whole litany of awful things that go wrong when people aren’t careful when they write C. Or, more simply, it seems typical of what happens when code ships that wasn’t meant to. It was essentially an incomplete half-baked implementation – nothing close to something anybody would want on a production machine.

This article goes into some depth about it: Buffer overruns, license violations, and bad code: FreeBSD 13’s close call

Would you ever trust a company that actually vets that and puts it into a production release of a firewall?

 

[kindasmart]

tl;dr = I WTB a wifi router with 8 LAN ports. Can you suggest a solutions. THXs.

My ASUS router has partially failed ([H] thread) and I should probably get a replacement soon.

I don't have the technical skill, time, or desire to manage a solution much more than a consumer router. So probably just stick with that for the time being. I do have 5 Gb symmetric and uncapped fiber available, but will continue my $42.50/month Cox (250/25) Mb plan due to cost.

I really want a router with more that 4 LAN ports. I tried plugging in an older switch into one of my current router's LAN ports to gain more LAN ports. I plugged in my VoIP device (Ooma phone) into that switch and it did not work. The Ooma only worked on the router's LAN ports.

So unless I missed something obvious with the external switch, I simply want a router with 8 LAN ports. The ASUS options are not in stock or used only. TP-Link has their AX-6000, AX-10000 and AX-11000 models with 8 LAN ports. The 6000 has fixed antennas that's the only real difference I can see. Any thought on the TP-Link routers? Save a bit and go 6000, or get the newer 11000 model?

Any other WIFI routers that will net me 8 LAN ports. If I can invest a bit more money now for the future that's fine. However, I don't want and can't afford to spend $500-600+ now for a router/WiFi/Switch for a fiber connection I might not have for one or more years. All suggestions welcome. It might help someone else.

Thanks.

 

[SirKronan]

tl;dr = I WTB a wifi router with 8 LAN ports. Can you suggest a solutions. THXs.

My ASUS router has partially failed ([H] thread) and I should probably get a replacement soon.

I don't have the technical skill, time, or desire to manage a solution much more than a consumer router. So probably just stick with that for the time being. I do have 5 Gb symmetric and uncapped fiber available, but will continue my $42.50/month Cox (250/25) Mb plan due to cost.

I really want a router with more that 4 LAN ports. I tried plugging in an older switch into one of my current router's LAN ports to gain more LAN ports. I plugged in my VoIP device (Ooma phone) into that switch and it did not work. The Ooma only worked on the router's LAN ports.

So unless I missed something obvious with the external switch, I simply want a router with 8 LAN ports. The ASUS options are not in stock or used only. TP-Link has their AX-6000, AX-10000 and AX-11000 models with 8 LAN ports. The 6000 has fixed antennas that's the only real difference I can see. Any thought on the TP-Link routers? Save a bit and go 6000, or get the newer 11000 model?

Any other WIFI routers that will net me 8 LAN ports. If I can invest a bit more money now for the future that's fine. However, I don't want and can't afford to spend $500-600+ now for a router/WiFi/Switch for a fiber connection I might not have for one or more years. All suggestions welcome. It might help someone else.

Thanks.

Only just seeing this now. Haven't been into my account for a few years, but I got it back. Yay!

With 5Gb fiber, are you wanting to have 10GbE ports (or 2x2.5 in aggregate config) to be able to take full advantage of that? I might have some suggestions. Are you trying to stay closer to $300? Anything below $500 would be okay?

Am I too late and you already bought one?

 

[SamirD]

tl;dr = I WTB a wifi router with 8 LAN ports. Can you suggest a solutions. THXs.

My ASUS router has partially failed ([H] thread) and I should probably get a replacement soon.

I don't have the technical skill, time, or desire to manage a solution much more than a consumer router. So probably just stick with that for the time being. I do have 5 Gb symmetric and uncapped fiber available, but will continue my $42.50/month Cox (250/25) Mb plan due to cost.

I really want a router with more that 4 LAN ports. I tried plugging in an older switch into one of my current router's LAN ports to gain more LAN ports. I plugged in my VoIP device (Ooma phone) into that switch and it did not work. The Ooma only worked on the router's LAN ports.

So unless I missed something obvious with the external switch, I simply want a router with 8 LAN ports. The ASUS options are not in stock or used only. TP-Link has their AX-6000, AX-10000 and AX-11000 models with 8 LAN ports. The 6000 has fixed antennas that's the only real difference I can see. Any thought on the TP-Link routers? Save a bit and go 6000, or get the newer 11000 model?

Any other WIFI routers that will net me 8 LAN ports. If I can invest a bit more money now for the future that's fine. However, I don't want and can't afford to spend $500-600+ now for a router/WiFi/Switch for a fiber connection I might not have for one or more years. All suggestions welcome. It might help someone else.

Thanks.

Plugging in a simple, unmanaged switch into your 4 port asus should have worked fine with the ooma. Something wasn't done right. Any port on any unmanaged switch is the exact same as one in your router unless you have special configurations going on with your router, which from your post I would assume you don't.

So go get one of these from best buy and plug it into your router and ooma and it should work fine, and if not you can return it and come back here and we can try to help:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/netgea...unmanaged-switch-blue/8974018.p?skuId=8974018

 

[kindasmart]

Only just seeing this now. Haven't been into my account for a few years, but I got it back. Yay!

With 5Gb fiber, are you wanting to have 10GbE ports (or 2x2.5 in aggregate config) to be able to take full advantage of that? I might have some suggestions. Are you trying to stay closer to $300? Anything below $500 would be okay?

Am I too late and you already bought one?

I appreciate your willingness to help me out with suggestions. Thanks.

I haven't bought any new router. And don't plan on buying anything soon unless my current router fails. For reasons.

Honestly I went into panic mode when I thought my router died. And when combined with the "joy of buying new hardware" mode that equaled an immediate jump into an unrealistic "what's the best router I should I buy and comparison shopping mode." LOL.

I'm going to be holding off buying anything for now as I'm unemployed and 24x7x365 caregiver for my mother with dementia so I actually need to watch my spending. If and when my router completely dies I'll probably just buy the cheapest decent thing I can pick up locally and immediately at the local Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.

Day dreaming about 5 Gb symmetric, no data cap internet is fun, but it's $195/month and no where near realistic until my mother passes and I can get a job.

I'm also reconsidering my need for a router with 8 LAN ports as I found out the LAN ports on my ROKU Ultras are only 100 Mb and slower than the WIFI I have now means less ports are really needed and desired.

In a year or three and if I'm employed, I can splurge on 5 Gb internet and crazy WIFI 7 router.

Plugging in a simple, unmanaged switch into your 4 port asus should have worked fine with the ooma. Something wasn't done right. Any port on any unmanaged switch is the exact same as one in your router unless you have special configurations going on with your router, which from your post I would assume you don't.

So go get one of these from best buy and plug it into your router and ooma and it should work fine, and if not you can return it and come back here and we can try to help:
https://www.bestbuy.com/site/netgea...unmanaged-switch-blue/8974018.p?skuId=8974018

Yeah that's what I thought but for the life of me it would not work. Thanks for letting me know it should work OK. Probably my setup error or some router setting. I dunno. I did use an older 100 Mb switch so maybe there was some legacy incompatibility somewhere. Who knows.

 

[SamirD]

I appreciate your willingness to help me out with suggestions. Thanks.

I haven't bought any new router. And don't plan on buying anything soon unless my current router fails. For reasons.

Honestly I went into panic mode when I thought my router died. And when combined with the "joy of buying new hardware" mode that equaled an immediate jump into an unrealistic "what's the best router I should I buy and comparison shopping mode." LOL.

I'm going to be holding off buying anything for now as I'm unemployed and 24x7x365 caregiver for my mother with dementia so I actually need to watch my spending. If and when my router completely dies I'll probably just buy the cheapest decent thing I can pick up locally and immediately at the local Best Buy, Walmart, Target, etc.

Day dreaming about 5 Gb symmetric, no data cap internet is fun, but it's $195/month and no where near realistic until my mother passes and I can get a job.

I'm also reconsidering my need for a router with 8 LAN ports as I found out the LAN ports on my ROKU Ultras are only 100 Mb and slower than the WIFI I have now means less ports are really needed and desired.

In a year or three and if I'm employed, I can splurge on 5 Gb internet and crazy WIFI 7 router.

Yeah that's what I thought but for the life of me it would not work. Thanks for letting me know it should work OK. Probably my setup error or some router setting. I dunno. I did use an older 100 Mb switch so maybe there was some legacy incompatibility somewhere. Who knows.

Kudos to you for being a caregiver to your mom. I did it for my dad who was doing it for my mom and I lost them 1-2 in 2019-2020. It's the hardest thing that no one ever really does because there's typically only one sibling that cares enough to do it. And that sibling is you.

Even a 100Mb unmanaged switch should have worked if the switch was okay. What's the switch model number? It might be managed, which could be an isue. Or it could be a hub which should have even less of an issue in theory.

 

[kindasmart]

Kudos to you for being a caregiver to your mom. I did it for my dad who was doing it for my mom and I lost them 1-2 in 2019-2020. It's the hardest thing that no one ever really does because there's typically only one sibling that cares enough to do it. And that sibling is you.

Even a 100Mb unmanaged switch should have worked if the switch was okay. What's the switch model number? It might be managed, which could be an isue. Or it could be a hub which should have even less of an issue in theory.

Thanks for the kind words.

Pic of switch below.

I think my Ooma has WIFI or I bought an USB wifi dongle don't remember it's been 4 years, I'll have to check. I've always been a "hardwire it if you can" guy buy maybe I should just WIFI it. Not really that important as the Ooma was just a backup phone because I had a crap flip-phone at the time. The Ooma is only $6.25/month so I might as well keep it just in case. The Ooma is rarely used now that I have slightly less crappy smart phone (no data on phone, so basically just a fancy flip-phone).

 

[SamirD]

Thanks for the kind words.

Pic of switch below.

I think my Ooma has WIFI or I bought an USB wifi dongle don't remember it's been 4 years, I'll have to check. I've always been a "hardwire it if you can" guy buy maybe I should just WIFI it. Not really that important as the Ooma was just a backup phone because I had a crap flip-phone at the time. The Ooma is only $6.25/month so I might as well keep it just in case. The Ooma is rarely used now that I have slightly less crappy smart phone (no data on phone, so basically just a fancy flip-phone).


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You're welcome--we never hear it enough when we're in the trenches.

That switch should work fine, except I've noticed it uses an odd 7.5v 1a power adapter and if for some reason you don't have the right one, it might not work right or worse even be damaged now.

I'm a hardwire guy too, so I'd definitely hardwire it even if you have the usb wifi adapter. Worse case, I'm sure you can pick up another cheap switch (or even a used one locally) and try it again. I don't see any reason why using a switch and then the ooma that way shouldn't work.

Why is it everytime I type ooma, I hear the robot in the birthing scene for Luke and Leia in Star Wars...

 

[3WAYsplit]

My 3yr+ Linksys Router needs to be replaced. After I had to replace my Verizon Gateway (white cube) with a new Verizon Gateway (tall gray box)m it stopped working.

I tried numerous reboots, resets, etc. And nothing worked. The only way I can connect is by direct connection (Verizon Gateway --> Ethernet --> PC)


My plan is to have my internet setup as follows:

Verizon Gateway (which is my modem) disabled onboard wi-fi Ethernet connected to my Router enabled onboard wi-fi

Router Ethernet connected to my PC
Router Ethernet connected to my Smart TV
Router Ethernet connected to my *TP Powerline
Router WiFi connected to my Laptop
Router WiFi connect to my Tablet

*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my ROKU
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Amazon Fire TV Box
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Tablo Box



What wired/wireless router do you recommend?

Something that works well with Verizon Gateway (tall gray box)
At least 4 Lan ports, WiFi
Plug N Play friendly, browser setup
Under $200

 

[Vengance_01]

My 3yr+ Linksys Router needs to be replaced. After I had to replace my Verizon Gateway (white cube) with a new Verizon Gateway (tall gray box)m it stopped working.

I tried numerous reboots, resets, etc. And nothing worked. The only way I can connect is by direct connection (Verizon Gateway --> Ethernet --> PC)


My plan is to have my internet setup as follows:

Verizon Gateway (which is my modem) disabled onboard wi-fi Ethernet connected to my Router enabled onboard wi-fi

Router Ethernet connected to my PC
Router Ethernet connected to my Smart TV
Router Ethernet connected to my *TP Powerline
Router WiFi connected to my Laptop
Router WiFi connect to my Tablet

*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my ROKU
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Amazon Fire TV Box
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Tablo Box



What wired/wireless router do you recommend?

Something that works well with Verizon Gateway (tall gray box)
At least 4 Lan ports, WiFi
Plug N Play friendly, browser setup
Under $200

do you need to put your new gateway in bridge or bypass mode?

 

[3WAYsplit]

do you need to put your new gateway in bridge or bypass mode?

I don't think so.

More details:

All I know for sure is I had the op setup for several years without issues. I went from Spectrum to Verizon Gateway (cube) with the same setup and it worked fine. Up until last week when I started to have
internet connection drops. It was found by Verizon that my gateway was having issues so they sent me a new Verizon Gateway (Tall gray box). After a couple calls /store visits the new gateway box is working fine. It's
the 3yr+ router that needs replacing now.


Any recommendations?

 

[kydsid]

Verify you aren't running a router behind a router causing NAT issues before assuming a new router will fix your problem. One or the other should be in bridge mode.

 

[3WAYsplit]

Verify you aren't running a router behind a router causing NAT issues before assuming a new router will fix your problem. One or the other should be in bridge mode.

Well how do I do that? I can't login to my router to check its settings at all. I've tried several reboots, resets, factory resets and nothing improves.
I can only connect to the internet when my Verizon Gateway is directly connected to my PC.

 

[Vengance_01]

your basically double NATing and I am guessing they are sharing the same address space. what functions do you need that the new Verizon gateway can't do that you need the other router?

 

[3WAYsplit]

your basically double NATing and I am guessing they are sharing the same address space. what functions do you need that the new Verizon gateway can't do that you need the other router?

My plan is to have my internet setup as follows:

Verizon Gateway (which is my modem) disabled onboard wi-fi


Ethernet connected to my Router enabled onboard wi-fi

Router Ethernet connected to my PC
Router Ethernet connected to my Smart TV
Router Ethernet connected to my *TP Powerline
Router WiFi connected to my Laptop
Router WiFi connect to my Tablet

*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my ROKU
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Amazon Fire TV Box
*TP Powerline Ethernet connected to my Tablo Box



That setup worked fine until the previous Verizon Gateway (white cube) failed, along with my current Linklsys router. The new Verizon Gateway (Tall gray box) is working fine directly connected to my PC.
But when I try using my Linksys router [ Verizon Gateway ---------- Ethernet ---------> Linksys Router --------Ethernet------> Windows 10 PC ] my PC can't connect to the internet. No matter what I tried:
reboots, factory resets, etc. I can't get into the routers settings to fix any problems..

If I missed something, let me know.. If I can get this router working again it would be nice. But being 3yr+ an upgrade isn't out of the question. So recommendations for a new router would be great.

 

[Dopamin3]

Verizon Gateway (which is my modem) disabled onboard wi-fi

You need to use something like bridge mode (that's what Xfinity calls it) so you don't double NAT. Just disabling WiFi is not the same thing.

Why you can't get Internet on your PC... What IP are you getting handed from DHCP? Sounds like you have a double NAT, which usually shouldn't block Internet but is bad to do. If the Linksys router is for example 192.168.1.0/24 (what majority of home routers are) you should be receiving an address in that range and be able to access the router at 192.168.1.1. Then you'll have to check if you can hit the Verizon gateway, then double check DNS is working.

I think when you are in a double NAT scenario your Verizon gateway would have to be a separate network and not the same subnet as the one on the Linksys.

 

[SamirD]

I dealt with verizon's weird gateway years back and there is no true bridge mode due to how verizon does tv and stuff.

And this being said, it sounds like something at verizon changed vs your original router stopping working and this new gateway is doing something the old one wasn't so that you can't use your own router. At the same time, you should be able to reset your own router and just get into the web ui like normal, and not being able to do this indicates something else not right.

 

[3WAYsplit]

You need to use something like bridge mode (that's what Xfinity calls it) so you don't double NAT. Just disabling WiFi is not the same thing.

Why you can't get Internet on your PC... What IP are you getting handed from DHCP? Sounds like you have a double NAT, which usually shouldn't block Internet but is bad to do. If the Linksys router is for example 192.168.1.0/24 (what majority of home routers are) you should be receiving an address in that range and be able to access the router at 192.168.1.1. Then you'll have to check if you can hit the Verizon gateway, then double check DNS is working.

I think when you are in a double NAT scenario your Verizon gateway would have to be a separate network and not the same subnet as the one on the Linksys.

Verizon is getting 192.168.1.1 While when I try to connect directly (PC to Linksys Router) to fix any issues IP Config shows 10.85.1.1 WTH is that? I can't even get to my router browser setup page. It says something like needing a internet connection.

I dealt with verizon's weird gateway years back and there is no true bridge mode due to how verizon does tv and stuff.

And this being said, it sounds like something at verizon changed vs your original router stopping working and this new gateway is doing something the old one wasn't so that you can't use your own router. At the same time, you should be able to reset your own router and just get into the web ui like normal, and not being able to do this indicates something else not right.

So what has changed? How do I get this resolved?

 

[SamirD]

Verizon is getting 192.168.1.1 While when I try to connect directly (PC to Linksys Router) to fix any issues IP Config shows 10.85.1.1 WTH is that? I can't even get to my router browser setup page. It says something like needing a internet connection.

So what has changed? How do I get this resolved?

Disconnect your PC from everything except your router. Can you hit the web ui now?

Don't know what's changed and even if something has, but generally when something has been working and nothing has changed and some of the equipment is in someone else's control--they changed something that broke everything.

 

[Dopamin3]

So what has changed? How do I get this resolved?

Take out the Linksys router entirely, or if the Linksys router can be put into AP mode only (no routing) then that could work. Essentially all hardwired devices would plug into your Verizon gateway, and if you don't have enough ports you can get a cheapo 5 or 8 port switch.

 

[3WAYsplit]

Disconnect your PC from everything except your router. Can you hit the web ui now?

Don't know what's changed and even if something has, but generally when something has been working and nothing has changed and some of the equipment is in someone else's control--they changed something that broke everything.

It seems like it. There equipment started failing, then my Router gets fubared when I replace their equipment with another of theirs.

Take out the Linksys router entirely, or if the Linksys router can be put into AP mode only (no routing) then that could work. Essentially all hardwired devices would plug into your Verizon gateway, and if you don't have enough ports you can get a cheapo 5 or 8 port switch.

I've done that and tried ipconfig while pc to Linksys. Default Gateway: 10.215.1.1 When I tried that in the browser I get the page to Download Linksys App for setup.

 

[Zepher]

https://store.ui.com/us/en/category...ections/cloud-gateway-max/products/ucg-max-ns
this looks like a really nice unit with 2.5GbE ports

 

[Dopamin3]

I've done that and tried ipconfig while pc to Linksys. Default Gateway: 10.215.1.1 When I tried that in the browser I get the page to Download Linksys App for setup.

I haven't used a Linksys router since the WRT54G, but that sounds like it could just be expected behavior. Download the app, it should let you set it up. If not search for the model and see if there is a way you can bypass app setup and manually, do it through web interface.

 

[3WAYsplit]

I haven't used a Linksys router since the WRT54G, but that sounds like it could just be expected behavior. Download the app, it should let you set it up. If not search for the model and see if there is a way you can bypass app setup and manually, do it through web interface.

For all intents and purposes let's consider the Linksys dead. I got a new router yesterday. NETGEAR - Nighthawk AX3000 Dual-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router - Black Model:RAX36S-100NAS SKU:6577810

So far it's "working" more than I was getting from the Linksys.

 

[Dopamin3]

For all intents and purposes let's consider the Linksys dead. I got a new router yesterday. NETGEAR - Nighthawk AX3000 Dual-Band Wi-Fi 6 Router - Black Model:RAX36S-100NAS SKU:6577810

So far it's "working" more than I was getting from the Linksys.

You're still double NATing if you have the Verizon gateway. You should've just bought a wireless access point and switch. It would've avoided the double NAT and likely been cheaper.

edit: you should do this https://kb.netgear.com/20927/How-do-I-change-my-NETGEAR-router-to-AP-mode

 

[Wag]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116014286231

Earlier this year I picked up a Verizon CR1000A off eBay for ~$100. I have FIOS but it should work with any ISP provided it uses standard ethernet and not coax (for coax you're stuck with FIOS). For $100 it's a steal, WiFi 6E, 2 10G ports (Wan and LAN) and 2 2.5G LAN. Firmware isn't as flexible as say an Asus (don't expect great VPN here) but it's serviceable.

 

[SamirD]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116014286231

Earlier this year I picked up a Verizon CR1000A off eBay for ~$100. I have FIOS but it should work with any ISP provided it uses standard ethernet and not coax (for coax you're stuck with FIOS). For $100 it's a steal, WiFi 6E, 2 10G ports (Wan and LAN) and 2 2.5G LAN. Firmware isn't as flexible as say an Asus (don't expect great VPN here) but it's serviceable.

Nice! Pretty neat just as a 10Gb/2.5Gb switch. Does the coax also have moca?

 

[vegeta535]

https://www.ebay.com/itm/116014286231

Earlier this year I picked up a Verizon CR1000A off eBay for ~$100. I have FIOS but it should work with any ISP provided it uses standard ethernet and not coax (for coax you're stuck with FIOS). For $100 it's a steal, WiFi 6E, 2 10G ports (Wan and LAN) and 2 2.5G LAN. Firmware isn't as flexible as say an Asus (don't expect great VPN here) but it's serviceable.

That is pretty good. I wish I knew this exist before buying a 2.5gb switch.

 

[Wag]

Nice! Pretty neat just as a 10Gb/2.5Gb switch. Does the coax also have moca?

Yes, but you can only use moca with fios- but I think even without fios you can use moca as a wired backhaul with another similar model.Dont quote me on this.

If you search for that model I've noticed some of them in the $70 range, you can find a power brick for like $10.

Also, if you plan on using with FIOS I would call them with the MAC first to check and see it's not a blacklisted one so you don't have to pay someone else's rental fee. Mine works fine.

 

[SamirD]

Yes, but you can only use moca with fios- but I think even without fios you can use moca as a wired backhaul with another similar model.Dont quote me on this.

If you search for that model I've noticed some of them in the $70 range, you can find a power brick for like $10.

Also, if you plan on using with FIOS I would call them with the MAC first to check and see it's not a blacklisted one so you don't have to pay someone else's rental fee. Mine works fine.

Nice! I have one of their older ones that had Moca2.0 unbonded that got 500Mb/s and it worked fine just for point to point with switch and AP on each end, so hopefully this carries on the same design. It would be great to know what level of moca they have if you can check.

 

[Wag]

Nice! I have one of their older ones that had Moca2.0 unbonded that got 500Mb/s and it worked fine just for point to point with switch and AP on each end, so hopefully this carries on the same design. It would be great to know what level of moca they have if you can check.

https://www.verizon.com/content/dam...r/documents/internet/verizon-router-guide.pdf

1.2/ FEATURES

Your Verizon Router features include:•

Support for multiple networking standards, including– WAN – 10 Gigabit Ethernet– LAN – 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax, 10/2.5 Gigabit Ethernet and MoCA 2.5 interfaces
Integrated wired networking with 3-port Ethernet switch andCoax (MoCA)– Ethernet supports speeds up to 10 Gbps
MoCA 2.5 LAN enabled to support speeds up to 2500 Mbpsover coaxial cable

• Coax LAN - connects your router to other MoCA devices using a coaxial cable.

Warning: The coax port is intended for connection to Verizon devices only. It must not be connected to any exterior or interior coaxial wires not designated for Verizon devices.

 

[SamirD]

https://www.verizon.com/content/dam...r/documents/internet/verizon-router-guide.pdf

1.2/ FEATURES

Your Verizon Router features include:•

Support for multiple networking standards, including– WAN – 10 Gigabit Ethernet– LAN – 802.11 a/b/g/n/ac/ax, 10/2.5 Gigabit Ethernet and MoCA 2.5 interfaces
Integrated wired networking with 3-port Ethernet switch andCoax (MoCA)– Ethernet supports speeds up to 10 Gbps
MoCA 2.5 LAN enabled to support speeds up to 2500 Mbpsover coaxial cable

• Coax LAN - connects your router to other MoCA devices using a coaxial cable.

Warning: The coax port is intended for connection to Verizon devices only. It must not be connected to any exterior or interior coaxial wires not designated for Verizon devices.

Thank you! Even more awesome with 2.5Gb Moca built-in. A pair of these and you can have 10Gb on either end running over the Moca at 2.5Gb.