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Doesn't the 808 use Symbian, not Windows?
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The Nokia Lumia 1020 (Eos) Thread
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Yes.
however at this point, given the current OS and App selections, would there be any benefit to more hardware? I have yet to see any slowdowns on my 928. my wife's HTC arrive runs WP7.5 as smoothly now as it did roughly two years ago when it first came out. Having the hardware set remaining fairly consistent does not seem to be an issue.
I am torn on the SD card slot. part of me wishes it would have one, however given that pictures upload to your SkyDrive account every time you access Wi-Fi, storage space has turned out to be a non issue so far for me. that being said, I could see having an SD slot would make a lot more people comfortable, especially if they knew they were going to be taking a ton of images/movies.
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I've been wanting to get an 808, and being Symbian I'm cool with that. I'm new to the whole smartphone thing though, and somehow the idea of a Windows-based phone irks me. 
Is there really anything wrong with Windows-based phones compared to Linux-based phones?
Is there really anything wrong with Windows-based phones compared to Linux-based phones?
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I've been wanting to get an 808, and being Symbian I'm cool with that. I'm new to the whole smartphone thing though, and somehow the idea of a Windows-based phone irks me.
WP works faster, lags less and is more stable. Ironic.
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cool! So I suppose I should really wait for the 1020, especially considering the extra camera features like OIS and stuff that it has, you think so yes?
At $300, it's another gimmick device that will not match the Galaxy S4 Zoom in sales. I wish for the day when Microsoft could deliver on an mobile OS ahead of time. Still 720p and Snapdragon S4? Sorry, Microsoft should have already designed WP for, hell, 4K screens to stay ahead of the competition. And I don't know why a Snapdragon S400 couldn't be used.
Now Nokia has to suffer for it with not only an OS lagging behind the competition but also subpar components.
P.S. I'm actually a fan, but seriously, WP8.1 or 9 can't get here soon enough.
Now Nokia has to suffer for it with not only an OS lagging behind the competition but also subpar components.
P.S. I'm actually a fan, but seriously, WP8.1 or 9 can't get here soon enough.
Galaxy S4 zoom is much inferior in image quality and bulky as hell on top of that. Not even a phone anymore.
And complaining about 720p resolution in a 4.5" device? Seriously?
So pointless that WP are obviously outselling Apple and Android 3 to 1...
Oh, wait, never happened.
WP needs to be designed to be ahead, not designed to be behind and have to always play catch up.
LOL WUT?
Way to completely ignore and avoid the question! If specifications were all that, how does Apple keep such a large market share with essentially a single device? Anyway, what exactly would eleventy million cores or an infinitely high resolution screen bring anyway? I'm all ears.
Apple to many potential customer equals new and amazing, and sometimes magical... Microsoft to many potential customer equals old and buggy... How is Apple able to do that when Microsoft can't? Brand recognition. If you're equating Microsoft and Apple are starting out at equal footing, you're in total denial.
Android has combated Apple with top of the line hardware, and new amazing and sometimes gimmicky features. There is no doubt Nokia has added in some gimmicky features such as the greatest cellphone camera ever in a cellphone, but the rest of it is really bland in the face of the rest of the competition. And Apple iPhone 5, HTC One, and a Samsung GS4 can be had today after ATT subsidy for $100-200. All those phones have a better screen, better SoC, and better platform support (apps). What does Nokia have? A better camera... for $100-$200 more. What would most customers choose, especially when the those other phones' cameras are no slouch either?
Nokia need a device that wins customer over decisively. And WP being designed to be behind is dragging Nokia down.
Quite frankly, if the Nokia Lumia 1020 has a 1080p screen and Snapdragon S600/S800, Nokia and Microsoft would probably find a WHOLE LOT MORE converts.
With this, this phone is just a niche product. Good luck being profitable again, Nokia. I'm not blaming Nokia, it's Microsoft's fault.
If this phone was $100 or $150, then, good job, Nokia. At that price it would have been the best mid-range phone on AT&T.
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There is way more product differentiation where it comes to android phones than WP8.
Well Samsung alone offers more differentiated products running android than all of the WP8 manufacturer is concerned.
Lets not forget the fact that you can't customise WP(to the level of Android)...so much for product differentiation.
I still am not seeing what more cores or a higher resolution screen would add. You say it would bring more people over, but why? So it can run some benchmark faster? It still doesn't really add any more functionality, features, or usability. This is why this phone doesn't have it. Nokia didn't see how it would benefit the consumer and neither do I. Apple usually goes with a similar mentality.
I was stating that Android handsets need the specification wars so they can set themselves apart from eachother. Not comparing it to Windows Phone in the same regard.
WP with Puremotion HD+ works just fine on dualcores, even smoother than android with quads, and 720p is more than fine except maybe a handful of geeks going through pixel edges with a magnifying glass.
I'm pretty sure it works just fine. But what would the average Joe and Jane buy? The cheaper high end iPhone 5, HTC One, and Samsung GS4 or the more expensive Nokia Lumia 1020? To deny that not having a S600 or 1080p isn't hurting Nokia in sales, you have to be in denial.
The average Joe and Jane have no idea what an S600 is. Fortunately, they know what megapixels are.
With that said, the cost for this phone is higher for the average joe. I'm assuming Nokia has some type of deal with AT&T that they sold them X number of devices now it's AT&T's turn to move the 1020.
Did anyone else like the question from the woman from Forbes during the keynote? She ripped AT&T a new one.
outside of phone geeks, no one cares. the 720p screen has sufficient density that the lack of 1080p will go unnoticed. WP doesn't need a top end CPU/GPU and huge amounts of RAM to feel smooth. to the average person picking up the phone in the store, its going to feel smooth as butter.
whats holding back sales is that its a WP. the same OS that allows mid level hardware to look and feel like its running on top end hardware, is also whats holding it back. the lack of popular applications and the fact that its not android or iOS, is what does it. that is the reason the average joe isn't buying it. it has nothing to do with the difference between 720 and 1080 on a roughly 5" screen or the fact that it has dual core S4 chip and not the s600.
if the photos they can take in the store rival that of their P&S at home, then the price will be easier to justify. That's going to be upto the marketing. if it can marketed as the first smart phone that can truly replace the P&S, then the price point makes since. However if truly high quality photos are not easy to obtain, and they come out looking on par when every other smart phone camera in the store, then it stands no chance.
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The pricing issue is related to the carrier subsidy model. The actual price of the 1020 is $600 which is lower for instance than the Galaxy S4 16gb at $640 (which is supposedly on average the highest subsidized phone at the moment). If AT&T were to apply the same subsidy the 1020 should cost $160.
Anandtech has a write up regarding the differences between the 1020 and 808 in terms of the camera - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7142/some-thoughts-about-the-lumia-1020-camera-system
Anandtech has a write up regarding the differences between the 1020 and 808 in terms of the camera - http://www.anandtech.com/show/7142/some-thoughts-about-the-lumia-1020-camera-system
All Joe has to know is that it has the same horsepower as an iPhone 5, and most Android phones are on the same level or worse, so developers aren't going to code for anything better than that for the next couple of years.
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Guys, what Nokia is doing here with these phones is no different than the GAU-8, only with camera sensors
Just been looking a little more into the 1020, and to me this is cool -- http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ls-of-back-illuminated-image-stabilized-magic -- the 1020's sensor is 60mm^2. In comparison, the iPhone 5 has a sensor that is 15.5mm^2, and that the 1020's sensor is "significantly larger than most compact point-and-shoot cameras, which generally only have sensors in the 1/1.6″ to 1/1.8″ range" (1020 is 1/1.5" or about 9x7mm).
Just been looking a little more into the 1020, and to me this is cool -- http://www.extremetech.com/computin...ls-of-back-illuminated-image-stabilized-magic -- the 1020's sensor is 60mm^2. In comparison, the iPhone 5 has a sensor that is 15.5mm^2, and that the 1020's sensor is "significantly larger than most compact point-and-shoot cameras, which generally only have sensors in the 1/1.6″ to 1/1.8″ range" (1020 is 1/1.5" or about 9x7mm).
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Yea that is my thought as well. I've been thinking of switching to att and knew this was coming so I held out. I was hoping for a little more on the hardware side as well. Not because the 920 is slow, it has just been out long enough I expected more than just upgrading the memory to 2 gigs.
Past that the loss of the built in wireless charging(without an add-on) and the price just are a bit of a disappointment. I was hoping for the wireless charing to stay in and the phone to be 200 to 250ish in price.
Right now I'm kinda torn, on one hand I like the camera on the 1020, on the other the camera on the 920 is one of the better ones on a smart phone for quality, it is getting the new camera app, and it is a third of the price with otherwise pretty much the same specs. You do get a oled screen vs led lcd but it is the same size/resolution.
Someone forgot that the S4 Zoom is qHD (and pentile too) and Snapdragon 400, i.e. worse than the 1020. S4 vs S400 is a wash.
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I wait for the next gen WP devices before even thinking of upgrade. This is clearly from the same branch as Lumia 920 and probably it got slightly delayed. The screen on this is just fine, 1280x768 is more than enough at 4.5" and larger screen would make the device larger - no thanks. This is clearly for those who care about photography. Spec nerd device will likely come this fall when WP is ready.
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It would be cool if someone made an alternate to the battery grip from Nokia as a full blown DSLR chassis that you slide your phone into and snap into place.
Walk around with a square-looking black chassis having a super-pancake looking lens (aka the one the phone). People would be like: OMG'AD WHAT LENS IS THAT??!
EDIT: I'll do one later that has the phone to scale with the DSLR to get an idea how it would really look...
EDIT2: This is to scale using official measurements by Nokia and Canon
Of course, other modifications to the chassis would have to be done, and I imagine if someone did this it would probably be manufactured as a 'replica' rather than using an original body. It might be skinnier, or it would be like you can open the DSLR body in half like one of the old film cameras, you place your phone in there, and then shut the lid; this would allow for a hole on the back of the body so that you can use the touchscreen interface of your camera.
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It would be cool if someone made an alternate to the battery grip from Nokia as a full blown DSLR chassis that you slide your phone into and snap into place.
EDIT: I'll do one later that has the phone to scale with the DSLR to get an idea how it would really look...
EDIT2: This is to scale using official measurements by Nokia and Canon
Of course, other modifications to the chassis would have to be done, and I imagine if someone did this it would probably be manufactured as a 'replica' rather than using an original body. It might be skinnier, or it would be like you can open the DSLR body in half like one of the old film cameras, you place your phone in there, and then shut the lid; this would allow for a hole on the back of the body so that you can use the touchscreen interface of your camera.
Why would anyone want to do this?
If am going to be walking around with anything as bulky as this I might was well use my 25 megapixel real DSLR, which would make Nokia phone pictures look like what they are, phone pictures.
This phone is not a DSLR or even close and the convenience of the phone is in taking nice pictures in an easily carried form factor. Lets not get too carried away
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Oh come on, I was having some fun with the note that the 'phone'-aspect of this Nokia product is really more like an optional accessory and it's all about the camera.
808 did manage to beat a cheap DSLR in blind tests.
It would be cool if someone made an alternate to the battery grip from Nokia as a full blown DSLR chassis that you slide your phone into and snap into place.
EDIT: I'll do one later that has the phone to scale with the DSLR to get an idea how it would really look...
EDIT2: This is to scale using official measurements by Nokia and Canon
Of course, other modifications to the chassis would have to be done, and I imagine if someone did this it would probably be manufactured as a 'replica' rather than using an original body. It might be skinnier, or it would be like you can open the DSLR body in half like one of the old film cameras, you place your phone in there, and then shut the lid; this would allow for a hole on the back of the body so that you can use the touchscreen interface of your camera.
I like this concept, its extremely niche but would be cool if you could attach a lense.
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It could also play that as a double role. The iPhone does have a DSLR lens adapter. Using a Canon body chassis with the original EF mount could allow you to handle it like a normal DSLR on full manual. Perhaps there could even be contact pins and a PCB with ultra basic CPU so that it would at least allow for focusing on lens like the 85mm 1.2L that has electronic focus (must be powered to adjust focus). Extra space at the bottom of the unit could house maybe 4000 ~ 6000 mAh of extra battery power for the Nokia phone.
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I would love to know the details of this "test" and what lens were used with the DSLR.
I am willing to bet even my 12 year old Digital Rebel with some half decent lens would also do as great a job with pictures as this phone.
It's pointless to seriously compare the two because the phone was not meant to replace my DSLR
A Rebel would beat this phone and any P&S camera for the matter. Cannon however did release a bunch of $500-$600 DSLR's for places like Walmart/Fry's/Target to stock shelves with, I believe it was these that got beat out. From what I hear these overly priced POS' had a sensor that laughable in size, the only benefit was shutter speed.
I'll have to dig up that blind test too, but I do remember hearing/reading it a while ago. It wasn't just the 808 that beat it, and remember this was a 'personal' choice in picking the best picture, not analytical.