Switch 2 Reveal incomming

[DukenukemX]

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Not necessarily, Americans paying way less for electronic is quite common and obviously $450 is not $500....

It's also much closer compared to other peoples predictions. It is a rumor after all so the price may actually be $399. Lately the price of consoles in US and EU tend to be the same number despite the currency difference. What's more interesting is that the emulation community has already recovered from Nintendo shutting down the Switch emulators. Ryujinx is back to full on development and we already have successors to Yuzu with CItron and Sudachi. Once the Switch 2 has been hacked then it won't take long for a Switch 2 emulator.

 

[Flogger23m]

Looks oddly familiar doesn't it?
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I don't get it. Outside of the older Gameboys and the DS/3DS, that is how mobile consoles have been. If you want a decent sized screen you're going to need to go for the general PSP layout. All of those other things look just like the standard grey Switch that came out 8 years ago:

 

[emphy]

> Plays ... nintendo switch games*.

*) A while back there was a video by modern vintage gamer that noted that getting switch game compatibility on a successor console was going to be a non-trivial exercise. Knowing that, how big is nintendo's asterisk going to be here?

 

[DukenukemX]

I don't get it. Outside of the older Gameboys and the DS/3DS, that is how mobile consoles have been. If you want a decent sized screen you're going to need to go for the general PSP layout. All of those other things look just like the standard grey Switch that came out 8 years ago:

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The idea is that PC handhelds are bigger and black and that seems to be the direction Nintendo went with the Switch2.

> Plays ... nintendo switch games*.

*) A while back there was a video by modern vintage gamer that noted that getting switch game compatibility on a successor console was going to be a non-trivial exercise. Knowing that, how big is nintendo's asterisk going to be here?

The Switch2 doesn't have very high clock speeds, at least from the info I've found so far. The original Switch ran the CPU at 1Ghz and that seems to also be the case with the Switch2. The GPU runs at 1Ghz docked but 561 MHz in handheld mode. This is where things get tricky as the CPU in the Switch2 is considered 3x faster than the original Switch, which is going to make things tricky. The GPU is also much faster. My thinking is that Nintendo is going to run these games in a VM to control their speed. A VM would also help prevent anyone from hacking the Switch2 since the original Switch has been hacked to death.

 

[ChadD]

at $399.99 it'll still sell, but adoption will be slow IMO. It looks so similar to the original Switch I don't see normies who just play switch games understanding why they need it or want it tbh.

I think you would be surprised. I now people that have bought more then one switch so they could have two animal crossings going.

Never underestimate the powa of the Nintendo. All Nintendo really has to do is drop the right first party games in the right order. Kart of the gate is probably a good move, then every 3-4 months they will drop another big first party title. The Nintendo user market I think is pretty well understood at Nintendo. The launch titles will be just enough to move product without having massive shortages, then when Nintendo has restocked shelves with units, they will drop another big first party game that sells the second wave. They have been keeping switch one sales going pretty consistent by dropping the right titles spaced the right length apart. NIntnedo isn't looking to sell a bagilliion cosnoles in the first month to cock block the competition like MS and Sony do. They will sell a modest amount at launch, then they will get modest sales bumps every quarter for a couple years as they roll out big titles. Kart + Mario -> Metroid -> Zelda... they got a new Pokemon game coming this year. Nintendo isn't looking for the big look how many units we shipped in the first month PR like Sony and MS essentially need to set the tone for the rest of the gen. Nintendo is a slow and steady console pusher.

 

[Lakados]

I think you would be surprised. I now people that have bought more then one switch so they could have two animal crossings going.

Never underestimate the powa of the Nintendo. All Nintendo really has to do is drop the right first party games in the right order. Kart of the gate is probably a good move, then every 3-4 months they will drop another big first party title. The Nintendo user market I think is pretty well understood at Nintendo. The launch titles will be just enough to move product without having massive shortages, then when Nintendo has restocked shelves with units, they will drop another big first party game that sells the second wave. They have been keeping switch one sales going pretty consistent by dropping the right titles spaced the right length apart. NIntnedo isn't looking to sell a bagilliion cosnoles in the first month to cock block the competition like MS and Sony do. They will sell a modest amount at launch, then they will get modest sales bumps every quarter for a couple years as they roll out big titles. Kart + Mario -> Metroid -> Zelda... they got a new Pokemon game coming this year. Nintendo isn't looking for the big look how many units we shipped in the first month PR like Sony and MS essentially need to set the tone for the rest of the gen. Nintendo is a slow and steady console pusher.

An exclusive Pokemon title would basically guarantee sales.

 

[ChadD]

An exclusive Pokemon title would basically guarantee sales.

Already seen articles written by the pokemon super fan types... upset by rumors that Pokemon Legends Z-A will be a Switch 1 title. I mean based on what the Switch 2 hardware is, I am sure it won't require any major software tweaks to just run smoother. That alone will sell S2s even if this years game runs on switch 1. I mean Zelda BOW was a WIIu game technically. It still sold a ton of Switch hardware. Nintendo have been pretty good about not taking games designed for an older gen and locking them to new hardware to sell hardware. I imagine this years pokemon runs just fine on switch... probably won't even be a S2 "mode" it will just run smoother which will sell the hardware the same way Zelda BOW moved switches to people that did already own WiiUs.

 

[DukenukemX]

Never underestimate the powa of the Nintendo.

Did we forget the WiiU already?

All Nintendo really has to do is drop the right first party games in the right order. Kart of the gate is probably a good move, then every 3-4 months they will drop another big first party title.

I think this is why the Switch 2 delayed because Nintendo had recently released a lot of big titles. This means no big titles for release on the Switch 2. I can see a Mario title and Metroid Prime 4 on the Switch 2 on release. We are probably years away from another proper Zelda release. Look how long it took Nintendo to get TOTK out after BOTW and most of TOTK is just BOTW with additional content.

The Nintendo user market I think is pretty well understood at Nintendo. The launch titles will be just enough to move product without having massive shortages, then when Nintendo has restocked shelves with units, they will drop another big first party game that sells the second wave. They have been keeping switch one sales going pretty consistent by dropping the right titles spaced the right length apart. NIntnedo isn't looking to sell a bagilliion cosnoles in the first month to cock block the competition like MS and Sony do. They will sell a modest amount at launch, then they will get modest sales bumps every quarter for a couple years as they roll out big titles. Kart + Mario -> Metroid -> Zelda... they got a new Pokemon game coming this year. Nintendo isn't looking for the big look how many units we shipped in the first month PR like Sony and MS essentially need to set the tone for the rest of the gen. Nintendo is a slow and steady console pusher.

Nintendo's biggest competitor is the Steam Deck, and it's going to be hard to deter people not to buy a machine with access to the biggest game library on Earth. Nintendo does have exclusives but so does the Steam Deck. Nintendo sold a bagillion cosnoles because they were the only ones with a handheld gaming device. Now you have a plethora of mobile PC gaming devices that are already more capable than the Switch 2 who also have access to a game library that also dwarfs the Switch 2. It's not like you can't run Switch games on them either. I don't think another Mario Kart is going to push sales on the Switch 2. Maybe a new Mario Galaxy or Metroid game is more likely, assuming these games are good.

 

[Flogger23m]

The idea is that PC handhelds are bigger and black and that seems to be the direction Nintendo went with the Switch2.

I still don't get it. Switch was black/gray day 1. I'm not sure which color sold more, but my 2017 model is the black/grey model. Screens have generally gotten bigger on all mobile devices, see GB to GBA and early smart phones to current models. Seems like a logical progression to me.

 

[Domingo]

There are legions of 80's and 90's kids that will buy anything Nintendo puts out. They'll buy 2-3 for their kids, too. Even if the kids couldn't care less and they'd rather have an iPad/iPhone, daddy's gonna make sure they can all have their own copies Animal Crossing, Mario Party, and Pokemon just in case. Whether it makes sense or not, this thing WILL sell.

 

[Ur_Mom]

I like the Switch. Some great games. I waited until there were a few I wanted before I grabbed it, though (unlike when I bought game consoles when I was a kid... buy first, then grab the good games. I am still a Jaguar owner. I still don't have the good games.). I'm waiting for Mario Kart, Super Mario, maybe a Zelda or Pokemon. But, Nintendo is one of those where it doesn't matter if you buy now or in 5 years, it'll be the same price. So will the games.

I'm not real impressed with what I'm seeing. Mario Kart will be fun, but the actual console looks mediocre. I don't use it as a handheld at all, so it'll be docked all the time (wonder why they don't make a screenless Switch mini and a Switch Lite for portability). It's not a bad system by any means, it's just underwhelming for me right now. I'll eventually buy one, though. Just not in any hurry.

 

[Toboggan]

Makes me glad I never bought an OLED Switch, now when I get a Switch 2 I can hack the hell out of my launch Switch and have my other one be a proper successor.

 

[Decko]

Makes me glad I never bought an OLED Switch, now when I get a Switch 2 I can hack the hell out of my launch Switch and have my other one be a proper successor.

Is there any definitive info on whether or not the switch 2 comes with an OLED screen?

 

[ChadD]

Did we forget the WiiU already?

I think this is why the Switch 2 delayed because Nintendo had recently released a lot of big titles. This means no big titles for release on the Switch 2. I can see a Mario title and Metroid Prime 4 on the Switch 2 on release. We are probably years away from another proper Zelda release. Look how long it took Nintendo to get TOTK out after BOTW and most of TOTK is just BOTW with additional content.

Nintendo's biggest competitor is the Steam Deck, and it's going to be hard to deter people not to buy a machine with access to the biggest game library on Earth. Nintendo does have exclusives but so does the Steam Deck. Nintendo sold a bagillion cosnoles because they were the only ones with a handheld gaming device. Now you have a plethora of mobile PC gaming devices that are already more capable than the Switch 2 who also have access to a game library that also dwarfs the Switch 2. It's not like you can't run Switch games on them either. I don't think another Mario Kart is going to push sales on the Switch 2. Maybe a new Mario Galaxy or Metroid game is more likely, assuming these games are good.

The Wii was impossible to follow. The Wii brought in a lot of non Nintendo fan type users. With the number of units the Wii sold a follow up was never going to compare in terms of sales.

The Switch has sold almost 150m units I mean its the 3rd best selling console of all time... The PS2 is the only non Nintendo console to sell more units then the switch. No the steam deck is not competition at all in anyway.
We think that way cause we are here on [H]. The type of gamers that would consider a steam deck instead of a switch is a very small subset of the market. It is also a segment of the market that is rarely either or. I would buy a Steam Deck for ME... for my kids or grandkids no its a switch every time. Plenty of people with steam decks who also own switches.

S2 probably won't break into the top 3 most consoles sold list like the S1 did. Nintendo was smart enough this time to know they had a winning form factor and they were best to stick with it. They did call it Switch 2... I almost thought for awhile they would just release it as Switch pro or something. They for sure learned WiiU, nintendo really should have just beefed up the hardware on the Wii and called it the Wii+ or WiiPro. Probably still would have been a let down. I think this go round Nintendo is just looking to keep the "Switch" going as it is. Switch will keep selling to people with kids, Nintendo hardcores, and to people buying a Nintendo as additional hardware to play Nintendo games. (however I don't think its fair to say Nintendo games who cares... I mean the best selling switch games have moved 60m+ copies each that doesn't happen because the Nintendo audience is small or only kids)

Comparing Nintendo to Sony or Microsoft or Valve or PC gaming at all is silly. Completely different products. Nintendo not only doesn't see Valve as competition, they also don't see Sony or Microsoft as competition. It would be like saying ESPN considers the Family Channel competition. Or that sports leagues consider theme parks competition. Nintendo has wisely never sold their first party games on other platforms. Other then that little experiment with mobile. As long as their games continue to be as popular as they are Nintendo will always be able to basically win every hardware gen. (even with 3 year old silicon)

Nintendo doesn't care if you buy a Steam Deck, Or a Playstation, Or an Xbox. They don't care they know if you have kids your buying a Nintendo anyway, and if you don't have kids good chance your also buying a Nintendo as well. Nintendo only has to move 20 million more switch one devices to = the sales total of the Playstation 2. Switch is going to take that crown, and be the best selling cosnole of all time. Nintendo will keep selling switch lite, and probably base switch stock this year, probably longer. As much as people laugh at Nintendo hardware specs... they don't care. Nintendo is a software company first. In 2023 I think it was 4? games Nintendo had in the top 20 Global game sales, Zelda I think was 4th or 5th? Mario Wonder was also in the top 10. This year Zelda echos of wisdom is in the top 10... a Mario Party game is in the top 10, and Mario Wonder is for the second year in a row in the top 10 global games sold. The last Zelda is also still in the top 20. No other game developer has games that hang around in the top 10 for multiple years. Anyone out their buying 4 year old versions of Call of Duty? ? (Minecraft not withstanding... though this year the minecraft switch version it is in the top 10 in some regions) [if you look at regional numbers for Japan man... Nintendo holds ALL 10 of the top 10 best selling video games]

 

[Toboggan]

Is there any definitive info on whether or not the switch 2 comes with an OLED screen?

Not that I've read but it would seem silly for it to not have one.

 

[1_rick]

I still don't get it. Switch was black/gray day 1. I'm not sure which color sold more, but my 2017 model is the black/grey model. Screens have generally gotten bigger on all mobile devices, see GB to GBA and early smart phones to current models. Seems like a logical progression to me.

The joycons on the Switch were usually colored, not black with a little ring of color like in the ad. But look, Nintendo sells a whole bunch of colorways for joycons and there's no way they're not gonna do that this time around. (And I bet they'll have a couple of models they haven't shown that aren't all black, because that's what they did with the Switch, the Switch Mini, and the oled Switch. And that's not counting all the special editions.

 

[1_rick]

I almost thought for awhile they would just release it as Switch pro

I absolutely cannot imagine them doing that particular name. It sounds elitist, a little bit, to me.

 

[Shoganai]

I absolutely cannot imagine them doing that particular name. It sounds elitist, a little bit, to me.

It's also incredibly overdone and would sound like they're just copying Sony.

 

[emphy]

Not that I've read but it would seem silly for it to not have one.

Which would, of course, nearly guarantee that it's lcd.

 

[sfsuphysics]

An exclusive Pokemon title would basically guarantee sales.

Having an 8 year old who loves everything Mario kind of guarantees a sale with me. I've been pushing off buying the old switch because "hey it's a 6 year old system... the next one should be out soon... right RIGHT!?" and that was like 2 years ago.

 

[GoldenTiger]

I've been pushing off buying the old switch because "hey it's a 6 year old system... the next one should be out soon... right RIGHT!?" and that was like 2 years ago.

Same here... I'm chomping at the bit to buy a switch 2 after holding off on the original got the same reason. I own a wii u (from launch) so I had some of the best games anyway. I'll fill in the rest with the switch 2 .

 

[ChadD]

I absolutely cannot imagine them doing that particular name. It sounds elitist, a little bit, to me.

Good point. lol

 

[DukenukemX]

It's not a bad system by any means, it's just underwhelming for me right now. I'll eventually buy one, though. Just not in any hurry.

The main problem is the specs, as the clock speeds are rather low. Assuming the released specs are correct the Arm Cortex-A78C does have 3x the IPC of the original Switch, but essentially the same clock speed. It does have eight cores but are they eight performance cores or four performance and four efficiency cores? Then there's the GPU which isn't bad but not amazing either. It does have 1534 CUDA cores but the RTX 3050 has 2560 and clocked to 1770 Mhz while the Switch 2 runs at 1Ghz. The Steam Deck isn't very powerful on paper where it does 1.6 Tflop while the Switch 2 in mobile mode does 1.7 Tflops and 3 Tflops in docked mode. Probably because the Steam Deck only has two Compute Units. The MSI Claw 8 AI+ with it's Intel Arc 140 Vi GPU can do 4.2 Tflops on the go. I'm not sure if the Switch 2 could get a Baldur's Gate 3 port just due to the lack of CPU performance.

The Wii was impossible to follow. The Wii brought in a lot of non Nintendo fan type users. With the number of units the Wii sold a follow up was never going to compare in terms of sales.

The WiiU failed because it was released a year before the PS4 and Xbox One and was too weak to get most of the games those consoles received.

No the steam deck is not competition at all in anyway.

What's the reason you believe this?

We think that way cause we are here on [H]. The type of gamers that would consider a steam deck instead of a switch is a very small subset of the market. It is also a segment of the market that is rarely either or. I would buy a Steam Deck for ME... for my kids or grandkids no its a switch every time. Plenty of people with steam decks who also own switches.

I own a Switch, though I wish I had a Steam Deck. Nintendo games are what sell their consoles but I'm not sure if that's enough to deter people from something like a Steam Deck. Also most people can't afford to buy both a Switch and Steam Deck. Did you know there's no Roblox on the Switch? You know what game a lot of kids play? I did get Roblox working on a Switch but it was running Android. League of Legends, CS:GO, DOTA2, Marvel Rivals, Sims 4, Hell Divers 2, and Path Of Exile 2 are not on the Switch. These are the most popular online games people play right now and they all run on the Steam Deck.

They did call it Switch 2...

Thankfully they kept it simply. I was afraid they'd call it something else entirely. Sony keeps increasing the number on the Playstation and it's working.

They for sure learned WiiU, nintendo really should have just beefed up the hardware on the Wii and called it the Wii+ or WiiPro. Probably still would have been a let down.

The WiiU is backwards compatible with Wii games, but I think people are leaning too hard on the consoles name. Anyone with a brain would have known that the WiiU wasn't just a Wii. Nintendo released their console a year before the PS4 and Xbone while only be slightly faster than the PS3 and 360. This meant that anyone who bought a WiiU would miss out on games that would have been on the PS4 and Xbone. The WiiU did have some great games and a lot of them were ported to the Switch as Deluxe versions, but you aren't going to compare WiiU games to games on the PS4. Imagine missing out on games like Bloodborne, God of War, The Last of Us, Witcher 3,Uncharted, Red Dead Redemption 2, Metal Gear Solid V, Fallout 4, and the list goes on. For what? Skyward Sword, Super Mario 3D World, and Donkey Kong Country Tropical Freeze? Skyward Sword was even on the Wii and wasn't well received. I thought the game was alright but I think I'm alone in that opinion. What's strange is that Breath of the Wild is also on the WiiU and that would have been a much better Zelda game. Remember that most people can't afford to buy multiple consoles so of course they bought the machine that would get them the most games and that's the PS4.

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Comparing Nintendo to Sony or Microsoft or Valve or PC gaming at all is silly. Completely different products. Nintendo not only doesn't see Valve as competition, they also don't see Sony or Microsoft as competition.

There's a reason why the 16-bit era of gaming was important because every mistake one could make was made during that era. Plenty of consoles were released too late and with the promise of a unique experience you can't get from Sega and Nintendo. You can't think that Nintendo products are in a universe of their own because that's stupid... and silly. Especially when the Steam Deck is able to run Switch games, just not with Nintendo's permission. Nintendo doesn't see Microsoft and Sony as competition because neither make a handheld console, but Valve does. The Steam Deck will even play older Nintendo games because it is essentially a PC running an Arch Linux based OS. You really think this isn't competition for the Switch 2?

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Nintendo doesn't care if you buy a Steam Deck, Or a Playstation, Or an Xbox.

That's why Nintendo shut down Switch emulators because you can run Switch games on the Deck. Nintendo even recently admitted that emulation is legal after shutting these down. They don't want anyone to know you can play Nintendo games on PC hand held devices.

Nintendo is a software company first.

So when is there going to be ports of their games to other platforms?

Nintendo holds ALL 10 of the top 10 best selling video games]

No they don't. In 2023 Zelda TOTK did make the list. Super Mario Bros Wonder is #12. Mario Kart 8 is #19.

 

[ChadD]

Having an 8 year old who loves everything Mario kind of guarantees a sale with me. I've been pushing off buying the old switch because "hey it's a 6 year old system... the next one should be out soon... right RIGHT!?" and that was like 2 years ago.

I have an almost 7 year old grand daughter who asks me a couple times a week when we can go to the theater to see Mario 2.

 

[ChadD]

The main problem is the specs, as the clock speeds are rather low. Assuming the released specs are correct the Arm Cortex-A78C does have 3x the IPC of the original Switch, but essentially the same clock speed. It does have eight cores but are they eight performance cores or four performance and four efficiency cores? Then there's the GPU which isn't bad but not amazing either. It does have 1534 CUDA cores but the RTX 3050 has 2560 and clocked to 1770 Mhz while the Switch 2 runs at 1Ghz. The Steam Deck isn't very powerful on paper where it does 1.6 Tflop while the Switch 2 in mobile mode does 1.7 Tflops and 3 Tflops in docked mode. Probably because the Steam Deck only has two Compute Units. The MSI Claw 8 AI+ with it's Intel Arc 140 Vi GPU can do 4.2 Tflops on the go. I'm not sure if the Switch 2 could get a Baldur's Gate 3 port just due to the lack of CPU performance.

The WiiU failed because it was released a year before the PS4 and Xbox One and was too weak to get most of the games those consoles received.

What's the reason you believe this?

I own a Switch, though I wish I had a Steam Deck. Nintendo games are what sell their consoles but I'm not sure if that's enough to deter people from something like a Steam Deck.

The Steam Deck will even play older Nintendo games because it is essentially a PC running an Arch Linux based OS. You really think this isn't competition for the Switch 2?

That's why Nintendo Nintendo shut down Switch emulators because you can run Switch games on the Deck. Nintendo even recently admitted that emulation is legal after shutting these down. They don't want anyone to know you can play Nintendo games on PC hand held devices.

So when is there going to be ports of their games to other platforms?

No they don't. In 2023 Zelda TOTK did make the list. Super Mario Bros Wonder is #12. Mario Kart 8 is #19.

The WiiU failure had nothing to do with anything Sony or MS. IMO That was a minor thing. The Wii sold the same way the original NES did or the Atari before it... as a FAD. It doesn't matter what you do with the follow up to those things. Grandma and Grandpa that bought themselves a wii so they could play that Wii Sports thing... aren't buying a WiiU 4 years later. Nor did they go and buy a Playstation or Xbox. The old folks home isn't replacing their Wii either. The super NES isn't viewed as a fail... but it sold only a little more then half what the NES sold. The WiiU was a fail in comparison to the super NES sure... still you have to factor that in. The Ceiling for a Wii follow up was probably 30-40m units. The U sold like 15m. It was odd looking and had a very strange dual screen gimick. That is what killed it the gimick didn't fly. It having the lastest elder scrolls game or whatnot really didn't matter. Lets be honest Mario Kart 8 by your Wiki is the 5th highest selling video game of all time... the WiiU died cause the hardware was wierd, not cause they didn't have games that could sell it.

Nintendo doesn't have to deter anyone from buying a Steam Deck. You think Nintendo cares if you buy a deck? If you want to play their games your going to buy a switch anyway.

Your right the switch isn't anything at all like a Steam Deck. They are two completely different products. They are both handheld and that is fogging your view. Ya a steam deck has better hardware, yes steam deck has a better os, yes steam deck lets you use it like a PC cause it is. It is NOT competition for Nintendo. I mean emulators... haha. Nintendo knows 99.9% of people won't be emulating their games. For the rest of the people willing too NIntendo legal is on it. I'm not saying a switch is >. I'm not saying a switch makes more sense for you or me or anyone else that would be reading us posing here on [H]. Nintendo is still going to sell 10x more Switch 2 units then Valve pushes steam decks. They are not competition at all. I don't disagree they shut down emulation cause their hardware is old and most things can emulate nintendo hardware. That is all true... its still 100% not a concern. Suggesting that illegal downloads and emulation makes Valve a threat somehow is odd. I'm sorry 99.9% of people in the world aren't giving thier kids a Switch emulator for their Steam Deck for Xmas. Nor are people that love game series like Zelda, Mario, Pokemon and the like going to emulate them on mass.

When will Nintendo games be on other platforms? NEVER
That is the point. Nintendo is never going to sell their first party titles on other platforms. Why would they do that? They have sold 140m Switch units all at profit unlike Microsoft. Why throw that away to sell an extra few million copies of their games on other platforms. I do not believe their is some big pent up demand for Mario games on Xbox. The people that would run and buy a Mario game on launch day already own Nintendo hardware.

As far as game sales go their are many versions of the top sales lists. Many of them don't publish Nintendo numbers at all... or only report physical or only online. Pretty much every list you find will have 3-4 Nintendo games in the top 10 games sold that year, every year since the launch of the switch.

What you quoted me there "Nintendo holds ALL 10 of the top 10 best selling video games]" The full quote should be "[if you look at regional numbers for Japan man... Nintendo holds ALL 10 of the top 10 best selling video games]" I said clearly in JAPAN Nintendo is 1-10 in sales. I get that world wide they have 3-4 titles in the top 10, a couple more then hit the top 20. All I said is that in Japan the only console that exists right now is switch.
https://erzat.blog/japan-top-weekly-video-game-ranking-december-23-january-5-2025-two-week/
I mean damn man look at the sales numbers... December 23 -> Jan 5 2025 Nintendo sold 200k Switch units in Japan Sonly sold 74k Playstations in that same 2 week. (MS Sold like 2k Xbox units) Game sales... every game in the top 10 is a Switch game. (8 published by Nintendo... One Square game... and Microsoft makes the list with Minecraft SWITCH edition) You can pull the sales numbers in Japan for any month going back 2 years and see the same trend. Nintendo has almost 75% of the market in Japan... and its not like Sony isn't on home turf. So yes not only does Nintendo not see Valve as competition... they don't even consider Sony competition.

 

[GoldenTiger]

Especially when the Steam Deck is able to run Switch games

Not legally it can't.

 

[Toboggan]

Which would, of course, nearly guarantee that it's lcd.

Good ol' Nintendo, making toys not enthusiast gadgets.

 

[1_rick]

The main problem is the specs

Nobody cares, my dude. Bill Gates would sell his soul (again) to sell 140 million XBoxes. The 360, far and away MS' best seller, sold a little more than half as many units as the Switch.

 

[DukenukemX]

The WiiU failure had nothing to do with anything Sony or MS.

I would disagree. The Xbox not so much, but the Playstation 4 killed it during it's generation. I can list maybe a handful of good games on the WiiU, but I can list dozens for the Playstation 4 and most of those games are also found on the Xbox. The WiiU was just too slow too late.

The Wii sold the same way the original NES did or the Atari before it... as a FAD.

The NES and Atari 2600 were not fads, but the Wii probably was. More likely the Wii sold well because parents didn't want their children fat and thought this would give them some exercise. Wii Sports is Nintendo's best selling game of all time which is sad. Going down the list of most sold games of all time, the Wii Fit and Wii Sports Resort are there too. It's clear who really bought these machines and what they used them for.

Grandma and Grandpa that bought themselves a wii so they could play that Wii Sports thing... aren't buying a WiiU 4 years later.

Oh yes they did, but when their grandchildren grew older so did their taste in games.

The super NES isn't viewed as a fail... but it sold only a little more then half what the NES sold.

SNES also had Sega to contend with.

It was odd looking and had a very strange dual screen gimick. That is what killed it the gimick didn't fly.

If you haven't figured it out by now, Nintendo doesn't want to compete with Sony and Microsoft because they knew they can't win. This is why Nintendo has been making strange design decisions with their consoles since the Wii. It was about all who can get the best graphics, but Nintendo knew they couldn't compete and win. So they started to go after gimmicks like motion controls with the Wii, which did work but also didn't last. No console today has motion controls, but everyone still has shoulder triggers like the SNES. The WiiU tried to capitalize on the tablet market, hence why the "controller" looked like the tablet. That didn't work because the tablet didn't end up replacing the desktop computer as many would have thought. Remember in BOTW when link is given a Sheikah Slate? Yep, that's the WiiU controller. The Switch was Nintendo's move to merge their mobile console with their home console which simplified game development while offering a more powerful handheld device. This turned out to be a raging success for Nintendo.

It having the lastest elder scrolls game or whatnot really didn't matter. Lets be honest Mario Kart 8 by your Wiki is the 5th highest selling video game of all time... the WiiU died cause the hardware was wierd, not cause they didn't have games that could sell it.

Doesn't matter if the hardware is weird if it has the games. The WiiU couldn't get those games due to it's already aged hardware. Also Mario Kart 8 sold well probably due to the Switch, since it was ported to the Switch.

Nintendo doesn't have to deter anyone from buying a Steam Deck. You think Nintendo cares if you buy a deck? If you want to play their games your going to buy a switch anyway.

Unless you do this trick that Nintendo doesn't want you to know about.

View: https://youtu.be/oIYvPNtWZ34?si=gB61dBWVmkYnt5Eg

I mean emulators... haha. Nintendo knows 99.9% of people won't be emulating their games.

Nintendo just felt like sending a team of layers that cost as much as a third world country just for giggles?

Nintendo is still going to sell 10x more Switch 2 units then Valve pushes steam decks.

Steam Decks, MSI Claw, Lenovo Legion Go, and etc.

I'm sorry 99.9% of people in the world aren't giving thier kids a Switch emulator for their Steam Deck for Xmas. Nor are people that love game series like Zelda, Mario, Pokemon and the like going to emulate them on mass.

Meanwhile those kids that did.

View: https://youtu.be/X4tLbzm3oAM?si=AUt2mxFDdFhbV228

When will Nintendo games be on other platforms? NEVER

I think Sega said the same thing before they ported their games to every platform.

 

[ChadD]

DukenukemX we'll have to disagree on Nintendo. lol You say the WiiU died cause it didn't have the games.... I mean Mario Kart 8 and Zelda Breath of the wild are both WiiU games, both are in the top 10 best selling games of all time. Not just for that gen... all time. Splatoon was a WiiU game that sold 5 million copies... meaing 1/3 of WiiU owners bought that game. As for speicfic sales for WiiU on Kart 8 8.46 million WiiU copies. Super mario World 5.89 million copies. Super Smash Bros Wii U 5.38 Million copies. The top 20 WiiU games sold 65 million copies. I am not saying the WiiU was a hit... but Nintendo did not loose money on the WiiU as crazy as that sounds. Games were not the WiiUs main issue. It was a failed gimmick, the dual screen idea didn't resonate with anyone. So the fad buyers tapped out, and they lost the plot a bit with the Nintendo fan base, that all came back for the switch. Nintendo knew they were not going to be able to keep selling those WiiU titles for years once the console sales dropped off. (well like you say they have as they have re released most of them on Switch... Kart 8 has sold 71 million copies so 12% of all Kart8 copies sold were actually WiiU copies.)

As for emulation to replace a switch. Ya that isn't an option for the mass market. Not only is it completely illegal, even if eveyr company in the world was all of a sudden ok with piracy... I hope few people are putting hacked emulators with warzed games on a system for their kids. What a shit lesson to impart. If the answer is... well you should only emulate games you buy. Well Nintendo still makes out like a bandit considering how much they charge for games. lol Also if enough people were to buy something specific like a Steam Deck to run emulators on... eventually Valve ends up in a law suit with Nintendo. Which no doubt results in Valve adding firmware to their device that puts a stop to emulation. None of us want that. But ya if it ever became a wide spread thing Valve would be forced to end it.

As for Sega and Nintendo. Not even comparable at this point. NIntendos Market cap is 68-72 billion depending on the week making them the largest video game company in the world. In 2023 Nintendo profited 2.8 billion on 12.8 billion in revenue. (which was down from record years the couple years prior to that thanks to Switch sales) SEGA on the other hand has a market cap under 4b... with 2023 profits of 46 billion yen (290 million USD) on total revenue of 4.38 billion. SEGA was/is desperate... its a little company scratching out a 6% margin. Nintendo has the second highest gaming revenue between Sony and MS... is the largest game publisher in the world by a huge margin, and is depositing almost 3 billion in cash a year into its coffers. (think their record year after the switch launch it was closer to 6 billion in proift) Nintendo isn't going to sell its golden geese.

 

[ChadD]

I'm not a big fan of Linus... but this about sums it up.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7IS-yKkRQw

 

[emphy]

DukenukemX we'll have to disagree on Nintendo. lol You say the WiiU died cause it didn't have the games....

It had the nintendo games - demonstrating just how much a console's success depends on third party titles. If other publisher and devs decide to stay away, the switch 2 will tank just like the wiiu did.

And that's a huge problem: to instill confidence from above mentioned publishers, the switch 2 needs an extra spark like the first one had, and so far I'm just not seeing it: it's a beefed up switch <meh> and it will have a new mario kart that most people can barely distinguish from the old one <meh>^2.

 

[Mchart]

There are legions of 80's and 90's kids that will buy anything Nintendo puts out. They'll buy 2-3 for their kids, too. Even if the kids couldn't care less and they'd rather have an iPad/iPhone, daddy's gonna make sure they can all have their own copies Animal Crossing, Mario Party, and Pokemon just in case. Whether it makes sense or not, this thing WILL sell.

It really doesn’t matter much to the Nintendo board how it does outside of Japan. It’s a console made for Japan, and it sells very good for their home market. Given how bad the yen is doing the Japanese generally appreciate a console like the switch that has lasted 8 years, and even this new one will always have a lower cost to entry over the “bigger” consoles.

But yes, it will sell good in the US as well.

 

[jbltecnicspro]

So switch 2 will be fully backward compatible? Sold. Switch has a ton of first party awesomeness.

 

[Mchart]

So switch 2 will be fully backward compatible? Sold. Switch has a ton of first party awesomeness.

I just hope some games get a resolution upgrade. TOTK really needs it.

 

[Strange bird]

So switch 2 will be fully backward compatible? Sold. Switch has a ton of first party awesomeness.

Yes but apparently not all titles will be supported or fully compatible.

 

[1_rick]

Yes but apparently not all titles will be supported or fully compatible.

If I read the text on the trailer correctly, they said "features". To me, that means stuff like the daylight sensor in the GBA Boktai game.

 

[Lakados]

DukenukemX we'll have to disagree on Nintendo. lol You say the WiiU died cause it didn't have the games.... I mean Mario Kart 8 and Zelda Breath of the wild are both WiiU games, both are in the top 10 best selling games of all time. Not just for that gen... all time. Splatoon was a WiiU game that sold 5 million copies... meaing 1/3 of WiiU owners bought that game. As for speicfic sales for WiiU on Kart 8 8.46 million WiiU copies. Super mario World 5.89 million copies. Super Smash Bros Wii U 5.38 Million copies. The top 20 WiiU games sold 65 million copies. I am not saying the WiiU was a hit... but Nintendo did not loose money on the WiiU as crazy as that sounds. Games were not the WiiUs main issue. It was a failed gimmick, the dual screen idea didn't resonate with anyone. So the fad buyers tapped out, and they lost the plot a bit with the Nintendo fan base, that all came back for the switch. Nintendo knew they were not going to be able to keep selling those WiiU titles for years once the console sales dropped off. (well like you say they have as they have re released most of them on Switch... Kart 8 has sold 71 million copies so 12% of all Kart8 copies sold were actually WiiU copies.)

As for emulation to replace a switch. Ya that isn't an option for the mass market. Not only is it completely illegal, even if eveyr company in the world was all of a sudden ok with piracy... I hope few people are putting hacked emulators with warzed games on a system for their kids. What a shit lesson to impart. If the answer is... well you should only emulate games you buy. Well Nintendo still makes out like a bandit considering how much they charge for games. lol Also if enough people were to buy something specific like a Steam Deck to run emulators on... eventually Valve ends up in a law suit with Nintendo. Which no doubt results in Valve adding firmware to their device that puts a stop to emulation. None of us want that. But ya if it ever became a wide spread thing Valve would be forced to end it.

As for Sega and Nintendo. Not even comparable at this point. NIntendos Market cap is 68-72 billion depending on the week making them the largest video game company in the world. In 2023 Nintendo profited 2.8 billion on 12.8 billion in revenue. (which was down from record years the couple years prior to that thanks to Switch sales) SEGA on the other hand has a market cap under 4b... with 2023 profits of 46 billion yen (290 million USD) on total revenue of 4.38 billion. SEGA was/is desperate... its a little company scratching out a 6% margin. Nintendo has the second highest gaming revenue between Sony and MS... is the largest game publisher in the world by a huge margin, and is depositing almost 3 billion in cash a year into its coffers. (think their record year after the switch launch it was closer to 6 billion in proift) Nintendo isn't going to sell its golden geese.

I was always under the impression the Wii U flopped because of marketing. Everyone I knew thought it was just the Wii but with a remote display. I don’t need that I’ve got a second TV just for my consoles… A few thought it was essentially the pro version of the Wii, a moderate upgrade.
Exceptionally few realized it was a different console so most of the public passed it over.

 

[Prince Valiant]

It really doesn’t matter much to the Nintendo board how it does outside of Japan. It’s a console made for Japan, and it sells very good for their home market. Given how bad the yen is doing the Japanese generally appreciate a console like the switch that has lasted 8 years, and even this new one will always have a lower cost to entry over the “bigger” consoles.

But yes, it will sell good in the US as well.

They also have no need for outside developers either. I expect their own games will move enough units of the system and games for them to make substantial profits.

 

[Mchart]

I was always under the impression the Wii U flopped because of marketing. Everyone I knew thought it was just the Wii but with a remote display. I don’t need that I’ve got a second TV just for my consoles… A few thought it was essentially the pro version of the Wii, a moderate upgrade.
Exceptionally few realized it was a different console so most of the public passed it over.

Combo of bad marketing outside of Japan, a lack of games, and the 3DS being so solid. Nintendo also functionally killed the system when they decided not to release BOTW earlier on the wiiu.

Still, I don’t regret getting mine. Xenoblade Chronicles X is an amazing game that unfortunately will never see the light of day outside the wiiu, and BOTW plays better on WIIU IMO. Also, the wiiu will be more valuable moving forward since you have a single box that can natively play GC/Wii/Wiiu.