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STL's New Computer - Final Spec

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it looks like he is building a hovercraft.

Dont forget to add the price of ear protectors to that!
 
Originally posted by Black Morty Rackham
IBM's top-of-the-line servers and workstations have POWER4 processors.

http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/pseries/hardware/workstations/
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Ok, one more :)

The Power4 is a multi core processor (duh) at .18micron. The Power4+ is a .13 micron version with improvements in clock and bus speed amongst other things.

The G5 is based on is a baby brother to the POWER4 (which we all know) but the Power5 will also have a baby brother to allow the Apple G5 to mooch off of it as well.

Well I guess we've learned nothing new then. I just was confused or not awake earlier. Everything seems different after eating and having a shower. :)
 
Originally posted by emorphien
Ok, one more :)

The Power4 is a multi core processor (duh) at .18micron. The Power4+ is a .13 micron version with improvements in clock and bus speed amongst other things.

The G5 is based on is a baby brother to the POWER4 (which we all know) but the Power5 will also have a baby brother to allow the Apple G5 to mooch off of it as well.
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The POWER5 (and probably the G6 or whatever) has, apart from all the other architectural tweaks, Hyper Threading (just like the Pentiums 4). This, combined with dual cores, means a HUGE performance boost (I heard it was in the area of 30-40%, but that's probably a bit high). It seems to be a very promising chip indeed. Especially with 90nm technology (or maybe even 65nm, but that'll probably take a while longer)... I want one! :eek:

Everything seems different after eating and having a shower. :)
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:D:D
 
[Black Morty Rackham]
> Or how about leaving hex-86?

Sure, uh huh.

> And honestly, why not AMD?

Don't like the company, their followers, or their products.

[lopoetve]
> Why do you hate ATI?

Lousy drivers.

[emorphien]
> I can't fathom why you'd buy nVidia at this moment in a system like that. It's like
> buying a Chevrolet (or ford, or chrysler), who has repeatedly proven they can't build
> a car anymore. (although nVidia does has a chance to quickly improve).

I've used the TNT2 Ultra, GF3, and 5800 Ultra, and each has treated me very well.

[Black Morty Rackham]
> All tests I've seen with the beta (alpha?) of WinXP-64 show that pretty much
> everything gains from it.

64-bit is not exciting as far as performance goes. It is only interesting for the address space.

"As for speedups from 64-bit computing, don't expect too much. 64-bit brings some downsides over regular 32-bit, particularly in terms of higher memory usage and thus lower cache locality due to the larger pointers. Existing x86 CPUs already have at least one 64-bit ALU, for floating-point and MMX, so the increased width of general-purpose calculations itself isn't going to help for applications that already make heavy use of CPU extensions. In the specific case of AMD64 (x86-64), it appears that most of the gains come from the increased number of registers, compared to the IA-32 architecture." - Avery Lee

[Bomber]
> Definately ProMedia. GMX is overpriced junk.

Woot.

[rayman2k2]
> go ahead and buy it STL, I remember when you used to be on here quite often, what
> happend bud?

I got busy. :-<

> Frankly, if you can wait for LGA775, more power to you, but if you cannot thats fine.

LGA775 is not interesting to me. A new socket, oooo.

PCI Express and Alderwood are interesting, but it'll be like a year before that stuff settles down.

Since no one has raised any significant issues, I guess I'm waiting for the 3.4 now. Whee.
 
2 things:

1. How does Prescott differ at all in coding? It's just another x86 cpu. Nothing special.... How does it perform differently?

2. Why hate a company (AMD)?
 
...and you can get drivers from other places too, and not to be a fan boy or anything, but a couple opterons would be nice too... probally about the same price too if you look. have you ever had or even used an amd rig before?
 
[lopoetve]
> 1. How does Prescott differ at all in coding?

The larger caches, the longer pipeline, the better branch predictor, the faster shifts, and all of the other changes mean that compiled code faces significantly different costs. For example, branch mispredictions are nastier, even though the branch predictor is smarter.

> 2. Why hate a company (AMD)?

They're the underdog.

[emorphien]
> Also, ATIs drivers aren't lousy anymore.

I'm sure they're less lousy now. But Nvidia has done nothing to make me consider switching.
 
Wow, unless you are doing some serious datawharehousing, you're a complete idiot. Let me guess you either live with moma, or in a small one bedroom shithole?

Originally posted by STL



> 2. Why hate a company (AMD)?

They're the underdog.
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No offense but, hating a company just because "they're the underdog" is completely ludacris. I'm not going to argue with you which is better Intel or AMD because its been beat to death. I do, however, know a fan boy when I see one.
 
Originally posted by STL
Of course I'm an Intel/Nvidia fanboy.
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no... i think you're a flamebait. insulting a perfectly viable (and in this case, BETTER) solution and not backing it up is well... flamebaiting. especially in an AMD/Intel discussion, or an ATI/NVIDIA discussion.


I highly doubt this machine will get built.
 
lets all settle down people. i dont think any of us want to see a lock on the thread due to flaming.

STL has made it perfectly clear that he likes nvidia and intel, and i dont think that any of your fanboy pissing and moaning will get him to change his mind. everyone has been bitching about this system because they are only thinking about what they would do if they had the $10,000 to build a new computer. its his computer and he is allowd to do it however he likes.

but i wouldnt recommend buying the 5950 ultra, there are new video cards coming out in like a month. but if you do buy the 5950 ultra, than upgrade in a month when the new cards come out, be sure to post ur 5950 on the for sale/trade forum.

no... i think you're a flamebait. insulting a perfectly viable (and in this case, BETTER) solution and not backing it up is well... flamebaiting. especially in an AMD/Intel discussion, or an ATI/NVIDIA discussion.
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this isnt an amd/intel discussion or an ati/nvidia discussion at all. people just hijacked the thread and decided to make it an ati/nvidia amd/intel discussion.
 
[Walleye]
> i think you're a flamebait. insulting a perfectly viable (and in
> this case, BETTER) solution and not backing it up is well...
> flamebaiting. especially in an AMD/Intel discussion, or an
> ATI/NVIDIA discussion.

This thread exists because of my vague compatibility worries. I have no intention of switching from Intel to AMD, or from Nvidia to ATI. (I'm not married to, say, 3ware, but the RaidCore card isn't useful to me yet.)

> I highly doubt this machine will get built.

I've already bought $1000 of it. That's a trifle to me, but it's more than some people spend on their whole computers. The new PC-76 is sitting on the right side of my desk. When the Prescott-3.4 comes out I will immediately buy everything else. It's going to soak up a lot of my money, but what else am I going to use it for?

The machine's name is Reason.

[jamestime88]
> but i wouldnt recommend buying the 5950 ultra, there are new video
> cards coming out in like a month

I know, it drives me nuts. Maybe if I know that the NV40 will be imminently available, I'll hold off and block on it, but if they're going to pull the same kind of thing that they did with the NV30, I'll just upgrade later.

> but if you do buy the 5950 ultra, than upgrade in a month when the
> new cards come out, be sure to post ur 5950 on the for sale/trade
> forum.

That or I'll swap it with the 5800 Ultra in my current computer.

(Which I'm never, ever, ever selling. :->)
 
i'll admit, im the last one who should be saying this, but, let STL buy what he wants, not what YOU want him to want.
 
Originally posted by rayman2k2
i'll admit, im the last one who should be saying this, but, let STL buy what he wants, not what YOU want him to want.
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I kind of feel bad for him when he could get a computer with similar performance for 1/4 the price. But I guess if he has the money to spend more power to him.
 
Originally posted by specter554
I kind of feel bad for him when he could get a computer with similar performance for 1/4 the price. But I guess if he has the money to spend more power to him.
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STL always has been a little, different. Let him be and do what he wants.

I've built similar systems... $5000 PII450 system back in the day. That was a beast, but was it ever FAST :D
 
Well, waiting for the NV40 might be a good idea, because there's a chance it won't be an underperformer like the current cards.

I personally don't care if someone wants to spend 10k on a computer, I just hate to see it go stupidly.
 
Originally posted by Big Worm
Small penis syndrome?

Honestly are you going to need that much of a computer? and dont tell me your going to fill it up with movies...
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I think we can all assume what he's going to fill it up with, it may invole "types" of movies :eek: :D

honestly talk about overboard thou, some parts are nice, others are just a huge waste of money.
 
I don't have a problem with someone spending $10k on a computer. Hell I say go for it if you can.

But don't give us reasons for it when they really make no sense. Being a fanboy destroys half the point of what you're saying.

You want to program for the future? Then get 64 bit, it's that simple. Prescott is not a whole lot different, its just another extension of the X86 architecture.

Do you need 1.6TB for programming? I know some people who program at some major companies and they don't need that and they're working on all sorts of things. Last I checked Windows doesn't take more than a couple gigs.

It's fine if you're going to store porn on there, play some games (then gods sake get ATI) or program, but don't feed us what seems to be a line of BS.
 
Originally posted by emorphien
Do you need 1.6TB for programming? I know some people who program at some major companies and they don't need that and they're working on all sorts of things. Last I checked Windows doesn't take more than a couple gigs.

It's fine if you're going to store porn on there, play some games (then gods sake get ATI) or program, but don't feed us what seems to be a line of BS.
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I agree with all that. But through reading a lot of this thread I've come to the decision (and i am pretty sure it's stated) that your doing this just because you can. So whatever.

But... here's my thing. Your spending 10k on a computer, and it's still a single proc??? It would seem like a 10k computer would automatically HAVE a dually setup, ya know? And definitly water cooling. (okay, the watercooling isn't near as important as the dually). Is there any specific reasong your not going the dually route?
 
Originally posted by NickTheNut
I agree with all that. But through reading a lot of this thread I've come to the decision (and i am pretty sure it's stated) that your doing this just because you can. So whatever.

But... here's my thing. Your spending 10k on a computer, and it's still a single proc??? It would seem like a 10k computer would automatically HAVE a dually setup, ya know? And definitly water cooling. (okay, the watercooling isn't near as important as the dually). Is there any specific reasong your not going the dually route?
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He said something about not wanting xeons because they are still on the 533Mhz bus.. Even though I think the new speed of xeons are still faster then the p4 counterpart, and esp. in duallies.

If you dont want AMD I would still definately take a pair of xeons.
 
i'll be waiting till mid 2k5 before building my next machine. it'll be great.. Dual Opterons, dual high end vid cards, 3 monitors, 2 gigs of RAM at least, and all for 1/3 the price of this POS.
 
Originally posted by emorphien
I don't have a problem with someone spending $10k on a computer. Hell I say go for it if you can.

But don't give us reasons for it when they really make no sense. Being a fanboy destroys half the point of what you're saying.

You want to program for the future? Then get 64 bit, it's that simple. Prescott is not a whole lot different, its just another extension of the X86 architecture.

Do you need 1.6TB for programming? I know some people who program at some major companies and they don't need that and they're working on all sorts of things. Last I checked Windows doesn't take more than a couple gigs.

It's fine if you're going to store porn on there, play some games (then gods sake get ATI) or program, but don't feed us what seems to be a line of BS.
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I agree wholeheartedly.

Don't ask for our input if you don't want us to know your reasoning. Simply stating that you don't like a company isn't a very compelling reasoning....


> Or how about leaving hex-86?

Sure, uh huh.
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Seriously, why not? x86 isn't exactly the platform of the future.


64-bit is not exciting as far as performance goes. It is only interesting for the address space.
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Many things do gain quite a lot from it. And the increased RAM-roof would DEFINTELY be interesting to me if I built a $10,000 system (hell, any less than 8 gigs would not be acceptable).
http://anandtech.com/systems/showdoc.html?i=1961
 
64-bit is not exciting as far as performance goes. It is only interesting for the address space.
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There would be truth in that if all programmers were like you.
 
why do you want the prescott to see how your code runs on it? what are you working on? i am curious what you are developing that requires that much horsepower.

i perused your site and saw a little compression research and coding, but why would you need all this for that?

you must be doing some crazy compression / decompression to need that much space.
 
I had a good laugh reading STL's setup and how much it is going to cost and all his responses to everyone's inquiries.

I believe this is the most inane computer setup I have ever seen.

I could build a computer that would wallop that one for half the price. But if you wanna waste that much money, be my guest! It is isn't mine anyways, and whatever makes you happy!

Enjoy your $10000 metal snail.
 
"x86 isn't exactly the platform of the future"?

IA64 flopped, and continues to flop. You're obviously not building an HPC, so why not go with what EVERY major ISV out there is doing and go with an x86-64 platform?

Multiple Opteron is the fastest platform on market for anything available for us consumers, period. Fanboyism doesn't change that. As for the "they're the underdog" comment, why didn't Cray pick Intel then? I like to think that Cray know what they're doing when it comes to CPUs.

(I concede that x86 was a kludge right from the start, but compilers have compensated for most of it's shitty-ness.)

Regardless, at $10,000, you'd better be going multi-monitor and multi-processor. Or you will be laughed off of this forum. ;)

For a computer that expensive, get a PC Power & Cooling unit. Or a redundant unit, considering all those drives. :eek: (Ice Czar uses some nice units...600W redundant, holy crap!)

Audio, don't even think about getting Klipsches. Get some REAL speakers if you're going to pay that much for a system; you can get a pretty decent home theatre setup for $2000. Audio, I wish there were gaming options better than the Audigy 2, but there aren't. :(

On the RAID array, I've never heard of any dev environment with that much storage. It's just unnecessary. :confused: If you're archiving lots of movies, though (another suggestion, get the DVD burner AND a normal CD-RW or CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo, so you can have full-speed CD burning), I guess it makes sense.

You sure you don't want to build SEPARATE boxes, so that you can keep your RAID array out of your way? Set up a file server (use a GigE link, or something) to store your files on, and keep your OS, apps, games, and active files local on a SCSI RAID array. Something about all that stuff in one box makes me uncomfortable.

On the drivers bit, the 5950 is quite competitive with the 9800XT. And ATi HydraVision's still pretty "meh". *wrinkles nose*
 
Originally posted by Stiletto One
Multiple Opteron is the fastest platform on market for anything available for us consumers, period. Fanboyism doesn't change that. As for the "they're the underdog" comment, why didn't Cray pick Intel then? I like to think that Cray know what they're doing when it comes to CPUs.

(I concede that x86 was a kludge right from the start, but compilers have compensated for most of it's shitty-ness.)
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Well, for $10,000 you could just wait a while and get a multiprocessor (and multicore) POWER5 workstation from IBM. But... yeah. Opterons are very nice. But it still depends on what you do. There are things that the highest-end Pentiums are better at, but those tend to be things that aren't optimized for multiple processors.
 
if you're serious about spending 10k$ on a computer I would seriously check the following things before:

1- Are you a rich mofo?
2- You know hardware value depreciate very fast in general.

IMH here's what I would do:

2x74GB Raid 0 Raptors
2x 400GB Hitachi HD for storage
4x512mb Cas2 Ram
Wait for socket 939 and get a FX-55
Wait for R420 or NV40
22'' Highest quality CRT monitor
Your PSU and Case of your choice
Vapochill Lightspeed Cooling system
Logitech MX510 or Razer Viper mouse w/ FunC SuRFace mousepad
Klipsch 5.1 Ultra speakers
Audigy 2 ZS
Plextor 12X DVD-RW Sata

wouldn't cost too much compared to 10k$ and you'd get a lot more performance!!!!
 
Originally posted by Black Morty Rackham
Well, for $10,000 you could just wait a while and get a multiprocessor (and multicore) POWER5 workstation from IBM. But... yeah. Opterons are very nice. But it still depends on what you do. There are things that the highest-end Pentiums are better at, but those tend to be things that aren't optimized for multiple processors.
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When I can buy a POWER5 and mobo and slap it in a case and put it next to my desk for less than $2000 for just those components, then I'll agree with you. :D
 
10 GRAND on a computer? buuwwwahahahahahahaahah!!!

i never cease to be amazed about how silly people can be with money. that's a funny one.

PS- i'll buy it off you next year for two hundred bucks.
 
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