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but what else am I going to use it for?
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Uhm, get a gf, you'll see how quickly women tend to suck up money (and then you might not need the 1.6tB raid .. you can have the real thing :))

as for constructive criticism, why 250gB drives, why dont you just go buy some 400gB Hitachi drives, less space taken up, more room for expansion.

as for cooling, given your seemingly limitless budget I might recomend phase change cooling, you could replace a number of fans with just a Vapochill unit or Prometia, which are VERY easy to setup and provide phenomenol cooling. I would normally never recomend these cooling options as they are VERY expensive (>$1000), but you seem to have no life and spend all your money on your computers.

I also have to agree with the people on here who have basically called you 'crazy' for building a single proc system with this budget. For this much money you should be definitely considering multiproc setups, imho you're wasting your money.

Last but not least, don't take this the wrong way, but this system you intend to setup looks like a monster, a monster which if it were in a video game I would spend all of my mana to KILL. I have to say that fanboys shouldn't have access to money, and if they do they should give it to poor children in third world countries, rather then building steaming piles of ...

er my rant is over :) Hopefully you wont get all defensive about my suggestions, as thats all they are, suggestions, if you dont like em dont follow em, but dont bite the hand(s) that feed you (and don't start a thread asking for input when all you are prepared to do is attack anyones viewpoint that differs from your own in a blind and unsupported fashion)
 
10 GRAND on a computer? buuwwwahahahahahahaahah!!!

i never cease to be amazed about how silly people can be with money. that's a funny one.

PS- i'll buy it off you next year for two hundred bucks.
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It depends mate , if he's rich there's no problem.
If i were doing over 100k$US per year I might buy a kick ass system once in awhile 5-7k$us but if I were that rich i don't think I would have time to enjoy my kick ass system.

:D
 
Originally posted by Big Worm
If its one thing, its not a pos... you moron.

i thought this kind of thing was banned.


more price for less performance is simply stupid. in addition, definitions of POS will differ. compared to what he CAN get, what he IS getting IS a POS.
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I'm really curious about this now, especially since I've had some time to think about it.

Again, why prescott? It's a normal x86 cpu. A goes in, B comes out... just like every other one out there. At least x86-64 adds something to that. Run linux and you can even use the 64bit registers. That would at least be something new. And even Intel acknowledges that that is the future. Itanium is a failure, and Intel is using x86-64.

Why the huge RAID setup? Nothing needs that much space, except for massive database storages, like the ENTIRE collected data works of NCAR. There is no need or use for that much space, I bet most of those drives will sit empty 90% of the time.

Multiprocessing in a system like this is a must. If you're going to build a system like this, you need more than one cpu, period. AMD is the best here, period. That would make Intel the underdog.

Same with several monitors.

And there are MUCH better speakers than Klipsch. Google: Totem. Notably the Tabu, or any of their other speakers.

Really. It sounds like you need to research what you're doing here a little more. Also, ever consider investing that money? Getting a girlfriend? Traveling the world?
 
Your setup look tight. You could cut the cost by dropping half of those Hard Drives, or even to a Fourth. Than if you need more space expand as required. Thats what every major fortune 500 company does. Single processor is fine for your applications. Dual processor would be nice, but your right in that a 533mhz bus is still too slow for your pace. AMD is out of the question because you don't want it.

Watercooling is nice, but again if you don't like it.

What performance testing are you looking at doing, and what kind of speed are you looking at for debugging, or codeing.

Good Luck, and don't worry about the crap that people say.

Walleye:

You didn't need to say it was a POS, which it isn't. Thats why you were called what you were, because your statement WAS moronic. His machine selection is awsome.

Cheers,
 
Originally posted by lopoetve
I'm really curious about this now, especially since I've had some time to think about it.

Again, why prescott? It's a normal x86 cpu. A goes in, B comes out... just like every other one out there. At least x86-64 adds something to that. Run linux and you can even use the 64bit registers. That would at least be something new. And even Intel acknowledges that that is the future. Itanium is a failure, and Intel is using x86-64.

Why the huge RAID setup? Nothing needs that much space, except for massive database storages, like the ENTIRE collected data works of NCAR. There is no need or use for that much space, I bet most of those drives will sit empty 90% of the time.

Multiprocessing in a system like this is a must. If you're going to build a system like this, you need more than one cpu, period. AMD is the best here, period. That would make Intel the underdog.
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I would reply but after reading 95% of the thread I totally agree. You do dev. work, but your not using SMP. You do dev. work, but 64bit doesn't interest you. You do dev. work, but don't want multimonitors. You want the fastest proc., but your going with Prescott. I have yet to read your planned useage for that 1.6 TB...

:confused:
 
Originally posted by Phoenix86
I would reply but after reading 95% of the thread I totally agree. You do dev. work, but your not using SMP. You do dev. work, but 64bit doesn't interest you. You do dev. work, but don't want multimonitors. You want the fastest proc., but your going with Prescott. I have yet to read your planned useage for that 1.6 TB...

:confused:
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Once you think you've expected all but the unfathomable, the unfathomable takes a step even lower.

ooo, post 1000 :D
 
Nice spam, emorphien. :D

Originally posted by Phoenix86
I would reply but after reading 95% of the thread I totally agree. You do dev. work, but your not using SMP. You do dev. work, but 64bit doesn't interest you. You do dev. work, but don't want multimonitors. You want the fastest proc., but your going with Prescott. I have yet to read your planned useage for that 1.6 TB...
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What he said. ↑↑↑
 
Originally posted by Black Morty Rackham
Nice spam, emorphien. :D
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I had to say something. Didn't care what. :D :p



And I agree with Phoenix as well, just in a more flowery way. :)
 
Originally posted by emorphien
And I agree with Phoenix as well, just in a more flowery way. :)
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Life without contrast is dull, hence the low-browness of my reply. ;) :D



When I go to Stockholm next weekend, I'm gonna go to some uptown café, order an espresso, take a sip, frown and then mix it with a beer, burp loudly and scratch my ass, just to be as offensive as possible among all the yuppies and guppies! :D
Contrasts are nice. :cool:
 
Hey STL, it's been a while.

The comp itself I don't really have problems with. I wouldn't get a Prescott at this time either, since the performance is lacking (most likely because the current clock speeds can't take advantage of the 31 stage pipeline; we probably won't see Prescotts take off until they hit the 4 Ghz range) but if that's what you want, no problems with me. Probably want to see performance differences between Prescotts with SSE3-compiled code and Northwoods, huh?

Go nuts, it's your money (just a tad too expensive for my tastes, but I'm the spend-$1500-on-a-comp type of person), I don't really see much of a problem with the setup you listed.
 
Oh man, is it just me or does this guy sound totally nuts? Also, lots of circular logic fills this thread: "I like intel because I like intel." Maybe you should spend that extra cash on some psychiatric help.

And to those of you who think wasting money, or just wasting in general is good, please go drink some gasoline.
 
[NickTheNut]
> It would seem like a 10k computer would automatically HAVE a dually setup, ya know?

Xeons suck, and I don't want Opterons.

> And definitly water cooling.

With that much money in a single box... no.

[Black Morty Rackham]
> Don't ask for our input if you don't want us to know your reasoning.

I don't want to hear that my choice of processor sucks. That's a fixed quantity now. I want to know about obscure problems that will prevent me from integrating everything. For example, I had to look up the current draw of hard drives.

> x86 isn't exactly the platform of the future.

I've got one person telling me that x86-64 is the future, and another saying that it isn't.

[Garage81]
> you must be doing some crazy compression / decompression to need that much space.

Yeah, heh.

[Stiletto One]
> Regardless, at $10,000, you'd better be going multi-monitor

Already have two CPD-G520Ps.

> Audio, don't even think about getting Klipsches. Get some REAL speakers if you're going to pay that much for a system;
> you can get a pretty decent home theatre setup for $2000.

I'm not an audiophile. The Klipsches are nice, and I can't really hear that much over the fans anyways.

> get the DVD burner AND a normal CD-RW or CD-RW/DVD-ROM combo

The PX-708A burns CDs fast enough. Old versions of my spec included a PX-W4824TA.

> so that you can keep your RAID array out of your way?

Having a single box to worry about simplifies things.

> On the drivers bit, the 5950 is quite competitive with the 9800XT.
> And ATi HydraVision's still pretty "meh". *wrinkles nose*

Yeah.

[Koslov]
> IMH here's what I would do:
> 2x74GB Raid 0 Raptors

Ha. No.

I decided to boot from (as well as compile on, etc.) an X15-36LP in my current computer. No way am I ever going back to IDE. You little children can play with your Raptors. Real men use 15 KRPM SCSI.

> 2x 400GB Hitachi HD for storage

Not available yet.

> 22'' Highest quality CRT monitor

I've thought about getting a GDM-F520, but I can't quite spring for it yet.

> Logitech MX510 or Razer Viper mouse w/ FunC SuRFace mousepad

Microsoft Hovermouse 3.0 on a 3M Precise Mousing Surface for life.

> Plextor 12X DVD-RW Sata

Not available yet.

[HiTech-Hate]
> why 250gB drives, why dont you just go buy some 400gB Hitachi drives

They're not available yet.

> given your seemingly limitless budget

It's not limitless. Just larger than most people apparently can deal with.

> I might recomend phase change cooling

Too hard to deal with condensation, and anyways, the cooling is really for the HDs, not the proc.

> Last but not least, don't take this the wrong way, but this system you intend to setup looks like a monster, a monster
> which if it were in a video game I would spend all of my mana to KILL.

[3/13/2004 Sat 10:31.43 PM] <ithil[sleep]> That spec could kill a man if it looked at him the wrong way.

[lopoetve]
> Again, why prescott? It's a normal x86 cpu.

Different cost structure. Prescott is the foreseeable future for desktop processors (and after that, Tejas).

> At least x86-64 adds something to that.

x86-64 also has a different cost structure, but it's not the future for desktop processors yet.

> Run linux

Not on my home machine, no. GNU/Linux isn't ready for prime time on the desktop.

> Why the huge RAID setup? Nothing needs that much space, except for massive database storages, like the ENTIRE
> collected data works of NCAR.

I visited NCAR a couple weeks ago. Their tape libraries alone were remarkable.

> There is no need or use for that much space, I bet most of those drives will sit empty 90% of the time.

You'd be surprised.

> Same with several monitors.

As I said in the original post, I am already using two CPD-G520Ps. The GDM-F520s are a little more expensive than I can deal with right now, and I don't know if I could really use a third monitor (that'd eat up a PCI slot, and I have a limited field of view anyways).

> And there are MUCH better speakers than Klipsch.

Not an audiophile, already have the Klipsches, couldn't tell the difference anyways.

> Also, ever consider investing that money?

Eh, it's a single sum, rather than a steady stream of money.

> Getting a girlfriend?

Who needs a girlfriend when you have 15 KRPM SCSI RAID-1?

> Traveling the world?

Eh, traveling sucks.

[Eigtball]
> Your setup look tight.

Ok.

> You could cut the cost by dropping half of those Hard Drives, or even to a Fourth.
> Than if you need more space expand as required.

Yeah; I don't THINK I'll need the whole 1.6 TB to start out with (only 1 TB), but RAID-5 arrays aren't expandable. So I want to max out the first one I build.

> Single processor is fine for your applications. Dual processor would be nice, but your right in that a 533mhz bus is
> still too slow for your pace. AMD is out of the question because you don't want it.
> Watercooling is nice, but again if you don't like it.

See, you understand! :->

> What performance testing are you looking at doing, and what kind of speed are you looking at for debugging,
> or codeing.

Definitely interested in the speed of generated code. The faster my machine is, the less I have to worry about microoptimization. Also increasingly interested in compilation speed.

[Phoenix86]
> You do dev. work, but don't want multimonitors.

I am convinced that people who don't like this don't even read what I have to say.

[BillLeeLee]
> Hey STL, it's been a while.

Yo.

> The comp itself I don't really have problems with. I wouldn't get a Prescott at this time either, since the
> performance is lacking (most likely because the current clock speeds can't take advantage of the 31 stage pipeline;
> we probably won't see Prescotts take off until they hit the 4 Ghz range)

Agreed, Prescott isn't a great leap forward. But then again, neither was the Northy-2.2A compared to the Willy-2.0, really.

> but if that's what you want, no problems with me.

The Prescott-3.4 is still a monster compared to my Northy-2.2A.

> Probably want to see performance differences between Prescotts with SSE3-compiled code and Northwoods, huh?

Yep. That and the other architecture differences.

> I don't really see much of a problem with the setup you listed.

Ok, cool.
 
There are also monitors out there that are a HELL of a lot better then that Sony. NEC FP2141SB comes to mind. Or the Mitsu equal.
 
I am convinced that people who don't like this don't even read what I have to say.
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I am convinced you're only hearing what you want to and dismissing the rest.

X86 is the near future, but a complete waste considering the Opterons are X86 and X86-64 compatible.



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[lopoetve]
> There are also monitors out there that are a HELL of a lot better
> then that Sony.

Lies, all lies!

The CPD-G520P supports 1600x1200@100 and has a .24mm aperture grille pitch across the entire screen. I don't see how you can get "a HELL of a lot better than that", aside from the GDM-F520 (which has a .22mm pitch).
 
Originally posted by emorphien
I am convinced you're only hearing what you want to and dismissing the reast.

X86 is the near future, but a complete waste considering the Opterons are X86 and X86-64 compatible.
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i totally agree. he's basically spending $10k on yesterday's tech, more HDD than he currently needs, and a setup that's just plain lame. A SINGLE monitor and SINGLE processor for "serious" dev work? c'mon.. The only reason for 1.6TB of storage is if you are planning on competing with Google or Amazon in the DB server department.

Also, the fact that he's completely bull-headed about his choices makes me wonder why he even asked anyone's opinion. I guess maybe we were all supposed to just sit there in awe instead of mostly head-shaking and laughter.
 
Originally posted by maw
i totally agree. he's basically spending $10k on yesterday's tech, more HDD than he currently needs, and a setup that's just plain lame. A SINGLE monitor and SINGLE processor for "serious" dev work? c'mon.. The only reason for 1.6TB of storage is if you are planning on competing with Google or Amazon in the DB server department.

Also, the fact that he's completely bull-headed about his choices makes me wonder why he even asked anyone's opinion. I guess maybe we were all supposed to just sit there in awe instead of mostly head-shaking and laughter.
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He's got two monitors.



Anyway, there are better monitors than the G520. I have a G400 which is nice, but the NEC/Mitsu's have nice models too, possibly better than the 520.

However, if you're doing programming and spending a lot of time in front of a monitor (which you would probably be doing for programming) I'd suggest LCDs. The lower eyestrain was very important to me since I suffer from migraines. Have hardly had any since getting the LCD display.

Even if CRTs don't bother you now, they cause eyestrain and aren't great on the eyes. I'd suggest considering a swap to LCDs.
 
I decided to boot from (as well as compile on, etc.) an X15-36LP in my current computer. No way am I ever going back to IDE. You little children can play with your Raptors. Real men use 15 KRPM SCSI.
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Since when were Raptors IDE? I thought they were SATA.

Real men use 15k scsi's? LOL. How about [H] puts a poll up asking how many of us use 15k scsi's in our gaming rig. About .0001% will say yes, because it is impractical and pointless. Not to mention loud and expensive.

But you have an amazingly thick skull, so whatever.
 
[maw]
> he's basically spending $10k on yesterday's tech

What's "yesterday" about this spec? Sure, it uses a single Prescott, and you might not like that, but it's the fastest Prescott that Intel makes. Basically everything is state-of-the-art technology, even though some of it (5950 Ultra, WD2500JD) will be improved upon very soon (which as I have said, I am well aware of).

> more HDD than he currently needs

Oh, the storage subsystem is the most reasonable part of the whole computer. I've got 700 GB filled in my current system and a boatload of optical backups.

> A SINGLE monitor

I. HAVE. TWO. MONITORS.

Yeesh.

> Also, the fact that he's completely bull-headed about his choices
> makes me wonder why he even asked anyone's opinion.

I want to know about compatibility problems.

Good examples that I want to hear!

* Computer requiring more power than the PSU can provide (I think I'm barely fine here)
* Driver problems with SCSI (I think using the 29320-R will work, since my 29160N certainly works)
* Boot order problems between SCSI RAID-1 and SATA RAID-5 (I hope this will work)
* Mobo working with Prescott (Gigabyte says it will)

Bad examples that I don't want to hear!

* This computer sucks.
* Give me some of that money.
* Intel sucks.
* Nvidia sucks.

[emorphien]
> He's got two monitors.

Yes!

> Anyway, there are better monitors than the G520.

Sure, like the GDM-F520.

Oh, and I have the CPD-G520P. The P is important. :-> (It means a nicer housing, identical to the F520's.)

> I have a G400 which is nice, but the NEC/Mitsu's have nice models
> too, possibly better than the 520.

Until you've seen both the G520P and this NEC stuff, I don't think you're qualified to say which is better.

For that matter I have not seen any of this NEC stuff, or even a GDM-F520. All I know is that the CPD-G520P is very, very nice, and that the F520 is supposed to supersede it.

> I'd suggest LCDs.

I can't stand polarized light (no, really). Also, I don't like their inferior color reproduction, and CRT viewing angle/brightness is still better.

> The lower eyestrain was very important to me

I don't suffer eyestrain at 100Hz. One of the few eye problems I'm immune to. :->
 
[st4rk]
> Since when were Raptors IDE? I thought they were SATA.

You're right. I meant *ATA in general. SATA offers nicer cables and that's about it.

> How about [H] puts a poll up asking how many of us use 15k scsi's
> in our gaming rig. About .0001% will say yes

That's because "enthusiasts" don't know everything.

Compiling things on SCSI flies.

> because it is impractical

A 29160N costs $99. An 18 GB 15k.3 is $169. A twisted-to-flat cable is $25. If you stick these three things in your system, and put the cable in the right direction, you can boot in XP Pro without any extra drivers or anything.

Impractical my ass. Shows what you know, enthusiast.

> and pointless.

The highest STR a single drive can provide coupled with insanely fast disk access times? Please.

This is called "sour grapes".

> Not to mention loud

The 15k.3s are the quietest and coolest yet.

I myself don't know or care how loud my second-generation X15-36LP is, since I can't hear it underneath all of my fans.

> and expensive.

$293 (see above) is expensive? Please.
 
alright, fine, a constructive post.


Installing the Operating system is a super easy task. Instead of doing the boot disk in raid 1, do it in raid 0. if it fails, (which it probably wont) then you just have to reinstall the OS, a slight inconvenience that might happen compared to quicker boot and less lag in the system ALL the time.
 
Oh.. and one more thing.


You CLAIM you made this post to garner feedback about COMPATABILITY problems. HOW THE FUCK should we know whether or not there will be compatibility problems in what is currently NOT AVAILABLE, or just released? True compatibility takes testing. the motherboard may not like your RAM. how would we know yet?

You didnt make this post to garner feed-back, you made this post to A: brag, or B: be an ass. I sincerely doubt said system will be built. from what i've read, you've invested 1K in it already, in system parts that would go fine in most any system.


You also said something about X86-64 not being the future of desktop computing yet.


What the fuck does that mean? if it is the future in the future, then it IS the future NOW, and deserves to be examined as such. but whatever, it's your machine, build it, who cares. just shut the hell up about it, because it really doesnt have ANYTHING special about it at all.
 
Originally posted by Walleye
alright, fine, a constructive post.


Installing the Operating system is a super easy task. Instead of doing the boot disk in raid 1, do it in raid 0. if it fails, (which it probably wont) then you just have to reinstall the OS, a slight inconvenience that might happen compared to quicker boot and less lag in the system ALL the time.
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Please tell me you're joking. PLEASE!! I really hope you are.
 
and STL, unless you've personally tested 74GB Raptors, I don't see how you're in a position to dispute storagereview.com , who lists them as the fastest drive for single user systems, regardless of interface or spindle speed.

I still don't know why you created this thread. I know you said you wanted to know of combatibility issues, not other options on stuff to buy. But how many people on here do you think know anything about the compatibility of the combination of these parts when you consider:

a) they cost $10,000
b) your needs are apparently unique
 
[Walleye]
> Installing the Operating system is a super easy task. Instead of
> doing the boot disk in raid 1, do it in raid 0.

No.

Losing my boot drive (which also contains my installed programs and my work) would be lethal. Even if I had a backup of all the data, I'd have to configure everything again, and I hate doing that.

> compared to quicker boot

The system will boot slowly. SCSI detection and spinup time is killer, and this system will have SATA detection and spinup time to contend with too. (Not to mention that I may have to enabled staggered spinup for both SCSI and SATA.)

That's okay, though. I usually reboot my system every couple of weeks.

> and less lag in the system ALL the time.

A single 15k.3 (or two in RAID-1) already come close to saturating PCI - they do from 50 to 70 MB/sec. Why bother?

> HOW THE FUCK should we know whether or not there will be
> compatibility problems in what is currently NOT AVAILABLE

Every component in my spec is available for purchase this very moment except for the Prescott-3.4 (and the 3.0 is available).

> the motherboard may not like your RAM. how would we know yet?

You can buy both from NewEgg right now.

> I sincerely doubt said system will be built.

Whatever, dude.

[EnderW]
> Please tell me you're joking.

Hear hear.
 
[EnderW]
> unless you've personally tested 74GB Raptors, I don't see how
> you're in a position to dispute storagereview.com , who lists them
> as the fastest drive for single user systems, regardless of
> interface or spindle speed.

StorageReview owns.

However, I believe that my usage pattern resembles a multi-user system more than a single-user system. For example, bootstrapping gcc involves seeking all over the drive.

> But how many people on here do you think know anything about the
> compatibility of the combination of these parts when you consider:
> a) they cost $10,000
> b) your needs are apparently unique

Sure, no one's built this exact system before. But people should have experience with individual chunks, right?
 
* nVidia sucks.
* Intel sucks.
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You may not want to hear them, and they arent' exactly true, but there is a point to them.

For your purpose dual Opterons would be superior and a wiser decision. And ATI currently has the best video card (9800XT). I've never owned ATI until recently, but their quality and performance was enough to convince me.



Until you've seen both the G520P and this NEC stuff, I don't think you're qualified to say which is better.
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*chuckes*

I've seen just about any monitor worth seeing. Imaging is my field. I've seen them all from the worst gateway monitor to the BARCO monitors and just about anything else you. I don't keep tabs on the specs of all of them but I can remember my experience with most of them fairly well.

I don't have a problem with your monitors, but there's some better ones.

I can't stand polarized light (no, really). Also, I don't like their inferior color reproduction, and CRT viewing angle/brightness is still better.
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While CRTs are better for color and tonal, as well as angle of view (including brightness) you're kidding yourself if those matter for what you're doing.

You are also the first person I've ever heard complain about "polarized light." It's everywhere so you must close your eyes a lot. That one just amuses me, what exactly about it bothers you? Because I have got to know.

I don't suffer eyestrain at 100Hz. One of the few eye problems I'm immune to. :->
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Eyestrain doesn't mean it's not straining your eyes and resulting in a potential for damage.

In any rate, when I'm programming I'm much happier to sit at the LCD, its easier on the eyes. When I need to analyze an image i just drag it over to the CRT.
 
[emorphien]
> For your purpose dual Opterons would be superior

No, they wouldn't.

> ATI currently has the best video card (9800XT)

I like Nview too much.

> I don't have a problem with your monitors, but there's some better
> ones.

How are the monitors you propose better than the CPD-G520P?

> You are also the first person I've ever heard complain
> about "polarized light." It's everywhere so you must close your
> eyes a lot. That one just amuses me, what exactly about it bothers
> you? Because I have got to know.

When you look at strongly polarized light, on an even, bright field, you can see a subtle color pattern caused by the structure of your eye. It's called Haidinger's Brush. I trained myself to see it once, and now I can't not see it. :-P

> Eyestrain doesn't mean it's not straining your eyes and resulting
> in a potential for damage.

Looking at normal things (i.e. not the sun) doesn't damage your eyes.

> In any rate, when I'm programming I'm much happier to sit at the
> LCD, its easier on the eyes. When I need to analyze an image i just
> drag it over to the CRT.

I prefer to stare at CRTs all day.

LCDs are better for some people. Not me.
 
why ask about things if you aren't willing to even listen to what people say, you did this exact thing last time. I think you posting this was more of hoping people will justify your poor decisions more than anything else.
 
Haven't heard the "brush" referred to in a long time... :rolleyes:

I myself have seen it (as has an optics professor I know and others), but generally over time if your not looking for it you tend to forget/stop noticing it such as we have. If you do catch it, it's gone pretty quickly for most people.



But I'll ask you in 20 years about your vision. ;)
 
Originally posted by STL
StorageReview owns.

However, I believe that my usage pattern resembles a multi-user system more than a single-user system. For example, bootstrapping gcc involves seeking all over the drive.
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Well if that's true, then SCSI is definitely a better choice. The Raptor still gets owned in the server benches, which ironically is what it's supposed to be designed for.

Originally posted by STL
Sure, no one's built this exact system before. But people should have experience with individual chunks, right?
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Yeah I guess, but it's kinda of a long shot. I can understand why you'd want to be sure though, spending that kind of money.

And you must have realized most people were going to tell you what you should change about your system.

Personally I think you're only hurting yourself by excluding certain companies just because you don't like them, that sounds kinda childish.

Originally posted by STL
When you look at strongly polarized light, on an even, bright field, you can see a subtle color pattern caused by the structure of your eye. It's called Haidinger's Brush. I trained myself to see it once, and now I can't not see it. :-P
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Sounds interesting, but I don't want to learn about it, b/c right now I love my LCD and I don't want to ruin that.
 
And you might try being a little friendlier, I doubt your attitude makes anyone want to help you.
 
Originally posted by STL
[maw]
A 29160N costs $99. An 18 GB 15k.3 is $169. A twisted-to-flat cable is $25. If you stick these three things in your system, and put the cable in the right direction, you can boot in XP Pro without any extra drivers or anything.

Impractical my ass. Shows what you know, enthusiast.
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Then why the fuck did you come to an enthusiast forum? If you want what your actually looking for, goto the companies website's or contact the manufacturers and ask instead of a stupid enthusiast forum. I'm sure they'll actually beable to ansqer your questions because I'm sure they may have tested there product before putting it out.

You came here to have people gawk at your "super" system. I'm gonna have to agree with most of the [H]ard forum goers in that your an a snoby arrogant moron. :rolleyes:

10 bucks says you don't reply to this post.
 
[EnderW]
> Well if that's true, then SCSI is definitely a better choice. The
> Raptor still gets owned in the server benches, which ironically is
> what it's supposed to be designed for.

Heh.

> Yeah I guess, but it's kinda of a long shot. I can understand why
> you'd want to be sure though, spending that kind of money.

Exactly. I don't want to buy all of the stuff and then find out that it doesn't work together. (As I said, a friend bought the 8KNXP-Ultra and couldn't boot from SCSI.)

> Sounds interesting, but I don't want to learn about it, b/c right
> now I love my LCD and I don't want to ruin that.

Yeah, heh.

[Tooden]
> I'm sure they'll actually beable

Beable! Beable beable beable!
 
So far you havent gotten a post that you qualify as 'help'

Honestly I dont think you will get a person to dig up a known problem on some of this exotic hardware.


Personally I think this thread should be locked as its a bit ridiculous in the first place and it seems to cause some problems. You arnt really getting any feedback anyways.
 
might want to look into maxtor or fujitsu for your scsi drives. iirc they've passed seagate in server performance.
 
[fugu]
> might want to look into maxtor or fujitsu for your scsi drives. iirc they've passed seagate in
> server performance.

Really?
 
Originally posted by fugu
might want to look into maxtor or fujitsu for your scsi drives. iirc they've passed seagate in server performance.
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good advice, the fujitsu MAS series currently sits atop the 15K leaderboard at storagereview

if you don't have anything against Hitachi, you might also look at their 7K250 line as apposed to those WD's
 
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