Starcraft II

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by maxius, Jul 22, 2010.

  1. Jaerb4

    Jaerb4 Gawd

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    Watching these Up/Down matches: God the colossus is a poorly designed unit. Too bad Blizzard will never admit it, and we'll never see the reaver again. :/
     
  2. petertew

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    Not disagreeing with you, but what do you think makes the colossus a poorly designed unit and how is the reaver better?
     
  3. Intel_Hydralisk

    Intel_Hydralisk [H]ardness Supreme

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    For a poorly designed unit it's played a pretty big role in SC2.
     
  4. Jaerb4

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    It's not a weak unit, it's just poorly designed. A super marine, exactly like a marine but with double the everything, would be a bad, lazy design but people would still use it.

    Long range, mobile, high AoE damage with little micro required (and in some cases, like in the Up/Down matches earlier, micro is restricted because Colossi can't cross eachother) It's just lazy design. It's a super generic unit, with really beefed up stats. Its vulnerability to air is about the only thing interesting about it, but that's non-existent in PvP.

    The Reaver was a brilliant unit. Long range, high AoE damage, slow rate of fire with extremely poor maneuverability, except when combined with a shuttle and intensive micro. It could be an incredible harass unit or the backbone of an army, and it could either have huge longevity with the shuttle, or die instantly when surrounded. On top of that, the act of a scarab chasing its target was a huge source of tension and excitement, much like a HSM chasing a target.
     
  5. aintz

    aintz [H]ard|Gawd

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    was there anything like the colossus before? no. is it a unique design? yes.

    should you get over bw? definitely.
     
  6. northrop

    northrop grumman

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    You can get a sneak preview of all the new units in HotS:

    http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/game/heart-of-the-swarm-preview/#teaser

    Looks like the lurker is back... with range 4, lol. (Ok, I have no idea on the range, but in the short clip you can see it borrow right next to the bunker before it's able to attack :eek:). But... there's this other new zerg unit which I think is a bit waaaaay over the top. The only way to describe it is a flying grappling hook.

    Terran does indeed get the transforming hellion and what looks like a poor man's Goliath.

    Protoss... another massive flying saucer, and another caster? Sentry looking like unit that can copy and paste an enemy unit? WTF? In this short clip you can see two of those units on the low ground, with terran charging down the ramp. Two tanks on the high ground in siege mode with marines storming at the... 'sentry'. In the instant, four siege tanks appear next to the toss' units and start blasting at the rines. wtf is that?
     
  7. Intel_Hydralisk

    Intel_Hydralisk [H]ardness Supreme

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    Don't think that's a lurker. Apparently it's a burrowing ground version of the brood lord.
     
  8. ThinJ

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    And the range is longer than 4. In the Multiplayer panel they show a group of four or five of them taking down some bunkers and siege tanks.
     
  9. Yoshiyuki Blade

    Yoshiyuki Blade 2[H]4U

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    I wonder what happened to the infested bunker unit they showed off at the art panel last year. Maybe it was scrapped or used for single player.
     
  10. northrop

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    That's actually a pretty good analogy. :cool:

    Good to know, and I would hope the siege weapon had a longer range. I pulled the 4 out of my behind, and the short clip didn't really do the unit a justice.
     
  11. userjack

    userjack n00b

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  12. refraxion

    refraxion [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Those were good matches, I havent watched it since season 3... damn.
     
  13. aintz

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    slayers coaches comes up with the most unique strats. mma completely countered mvps mech heavy play, well deserved win.

    hopefully mvp can win the blizzcon tourny to make up for the loss lol
     
  14. Intel_Hydralisk

    Intel_Hydralisk [H]ardness Supreme

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    Summary of the new units by husky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XHMD7Hnh4A&feature=feedu

    In general a lot more info: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=277762

    Here's a little snippet from somewhere in the TL thread:

    +1000 for the hydralisk movement upgrade!
     
  15. refraxion

    refraxion [H]ardForum Junkie

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    Burrowed banelings wtf?

    Edit - I mean moving while burrowed.. wtf?
     
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  16. northrop

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    It's a late game upgrade IIRC, probably Hive upgrade, similar to Adrenal Glands on lings. So it's nothing that can be abused early on.
     
  17. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    Blizzard DotA will come with the SC2 Starter Edition, so it's basically free to play.
     
  18. jeremyshaw

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    It might help prevent mass marine support from working into late game... or might convince T to stop relying on comstat scans.
     
  19. northrop

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    It will probably just force the Terran players to incorporate a Raven or two in their army mix, but it really shouldn't be that big of a problem. And while on the subject of Terran, I like the idea of the Shredder unit. It will definitely make the game a little more positional.

    I do like the Viper the Zergs are getting :p And the Swarm Host needs a new name :rolleyes:
     
  20. 00PS

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    Really thought Idra was going to beat NesTea.
     
  21. northrop

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    Same.

    In any case, pretty awesome game 3 between Naniwa and NesTea :cool:
     
  22. mas

    mas [H]ard|Gawd

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    why would you even entertain the possibility, it would be a major upset.
     
  23. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    The upset was Naniwa taking out MVP AND Nestea!. That was incredible!
     
  24. mas

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    and when did this happen? I never even saw them in the same bracket, nani is already seeded in champs.
     
  25. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    It was the finals of another tournament that was going on (casted on the red stream for most of yesterday), not the main tournament for the weekend. It was the round of 4 (Idra, Naniwa, MVP, Nestea).
     
  26. mas

    mas [H]ard|Gawd

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    yea apparently this is from the invitationals, just found the recap. where are the vods? that's some crazy shit too bad I missed those matches.
     
  27. northrop

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    TLO playing Zerg again?
     
  28. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    I think you need a membership to get access to the vods.
     
  29. TheResidentEvil

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    hero tearing it up, naniwa vs nestea rematch coming up
     
  30. ThinJ

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    This is true during the event, but not after. Some days afterward they all become free and you can watch in high quality.
     
  31. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    Oh Idra, lol.

    I'm really impressed with how well Naniwa is doing. That guy is having a great weekend.
     
  33. ThinJ

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    Naniwa has improved his game a lot, but he still acts like a total tool half the time. Have to root against people that act the way he does.

    Rooting for Leenock to take the whole thing.
     
  34. TheResidentEvil

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    The Leenock vs DRG LBF was amazing. One of the best matches I have ever watched.
     
  35. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    Leenock vs Naniwa Finals! I don't like Naniwa as a character personally, but he's a toss and I root for toss. Plus, he's been on an absolute tear. Amazing play by him this weekend.
     
  36. ThinJ

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    Yeah Leenock coming back from down 2 against DRG was epic. Hope his ZvP is better than DRG and Nestea's has been this weekend.
     
  37. Yoshiyuki Blade

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    Congrats Leenock! He probably went through the toughest route to the championship holy shit. Coming from the open bracket, losing in the championship bracket, fighting his way through the loser's bracket, beating DRG while down 0-2 and beating Naniwa in a Bo7 (where Naniwa could have closed it early if he won the Bo3 half) was insane. o_o!
     
  38. ThinJ

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    That is the most epic run to a win ever so far in SC2.

    Drewbie, Oz, Gatored, State, Haypro, (Lose to DRG), Boxer, Slush, MMA, Idra, HuK, MVP, DRG, Naniwa

    And taking out Naniwa in a series with rules heavily favoring Naniwa, on the same weekend after Naniwa had beaten Nestea twice.
     
  39. mas

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    ha leenock likes to play through mlg the hard way just like white-ra, except he actually made it to the end! this guy has the worst luck with matchups, he is still in ro8 gsl too.