Star Citizen - media blowout, Chris Robert's new game

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I'm hoping to hop in this weekend, it didn't crash once last time I was able to play, and persistence is working (I actually had all the stuff I bought). I know the game sucks and should have been finished years ago, but I also still think what they have going on is pretty unique. And no, they haven't gotten a dollar after the first rush (bought a pirate package and won an AMD racer and Penguin).
 

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They are going into a period of diminishing returns imho. They can keep on crawling along with this game but sooner or later some other company is going to make something like this a lot better and faster. They can't afford to rebuild everything every time a new game engine is out and still expect people to look forward to this. It's been years and while it's made some progress, it's a long way from finished. Don't even think it's out of Beta yet?
It's either going to be a mildly groundbreaking game, or it will turn into the new Duke Nukem fiasco the longer they take to get it out.
(Of course, it's making the developers money, but i think he's been known for dragging his games along to soak up the cash)
But just my .02 though :whistle:
 

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They are going into a period of diminishing returns imho. They can keep on crawling along with this game but sooner or later some other company is going to make something like this a lot better and faster. They can't afford to rebuild everything every time a new game engine is out and still expect people to look forward to this. It's been years and while it's made some progress, it's a long way from finished. Don't even think it's out of Beta yet?
It's either going to be a mildly groundbreaking game, or it will turn into the new Duke Nukem fiasco the longer they take to get it out.
(Of course, it's making the developers money, but i think he's been known for dragging his games along to soak up the cash)
But just my .02 though :whistle:
Beta? Your funny man.
 
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While it may not have started out as such, I think the following definition will eventually find its way into Merriam Webster. I'm also really looking forward to the documentary film covering Star Citizen one day:

Star Citizen, noun: The embodiment of the long con, on a grand scale, using a video game.​

An elaborate confidence game that develops in several stages over an extended period of time wherein a person or group gains the victim’s trust, often bypassing small profits with the goal of reaping larger payouts over time or in a final maneuver. The key to pulling off a con is giving your marks the illusion of control while you and your team continue to fleece them and manipulate their choices, getting them to continue investing or buying in.

See: Long con, confidence game, confidence scheme, ripoff, scam, a grift, a Bunko, a swindle, a gaffle, a bamboozle, and stratagem. Intended victims are often known as marks, suckers, stooges, mugs, rubes, or gulls (from the word gullible). When accomplices are employed, they are known as shills (see plant or stooge).

From wikipedia:
Stages of a con
  1. The Foundation: Preparations are made in advance of the game, including the hiring of any assistants required and studying the background knowledge needed for the role.
  2. The Approach: The victim(s) are approached or contacted.
  3. The Build-up: The victim(s) are given an opportunity to profit from participating in a scheme. The victim's greed is encouraged, such that their rational judgment of the situation might be impaired.
  4. The Pay-off: The victim(s) receive a small payout as a demonstration of the scheme's purported effectiveness.
  5. The "hurrah": A sudden manufactured crisis or change of events forces the victim(s) to act or make a decision immediately.
  6. The In-and-In: A conspirator (in on the con, but assumes the role of an interested bystander) puts an amount of money into the same scheme as the victim(s), to add an appearance of legitimacy. This can reassure the victim(s, and give the con man greater control when the deal has been completed.
Confidence tricks exploit typical human characteristics such as greed, dishonesty, vanity, opportunism, lust, compassion, credulity, irresponsibility, desperation, and naïvety.

Cons succeed for inducing judgment errors—chiefly, errors arising from imperfect information and cognitive biases. In popular culture and among professional con men, the human vulnerabilities that cons exploit are depicted as 'dishonesty', 'greed', and 'gullibility' of the marks. Dishonesty, often represented by the expression 'you can't cheat an honest man', refers to the willingness of marks to participate in unlawful acts, such as rigged gambling and embezzlement. Greed, the desire to 'get something for nothing', is a shorthand expression of marks' beliefs that too-good-to-be-true gains are realistic. Gullibility reflects beliefs that marks are 'suckers' and 'fools' for entering into costly voluntary exchanges. Judicial opinions occasionally echo these sentiments.
 
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I'm hoping to hop in this weekend, it didn't crash once last time I was able to play, and persistence is working (I actually had all the stuff I bought). I know the game sucks and should have been finished years ago, but I also still think what they have going on is pretty unique. And no, they haven't gotten a dollar after the first rush (bought a pirate package and won an AMD racer and Penguin).


Translation: you're the kind of person who put up with shit from publishers, because you're used to it.

I also bet you were responsible for preprdering Cyberpunk and hen making it even wirse by not requesting a refund (thus making them nearly 1 billion in revenue last year)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021...ds-barely-dented-cd-projekt-reds-bottom-line/

If you don't hold game companies to some standards, then we will never climb out of this shithole! You keep handing them money with "no strings attached," then they are going to contonue to taake advantage of you!
 

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Bad translation. I missed WC and Freelancer, and hoped giving disposable money would start a comeback of the genre. Or that Chris would finish a game for the first time ever. Either way, I'd have something to play when I don't feel like playing Warframe or working through my backlog. I don't preorder, and I understand kickstarting anything is betting- not buying.
 

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Bad translation. I missed WC and Freelancer, and hoped giving disposable money would start a comeback of the genre. Or that Chris would finish a game for the first time ever. Either way, I'd have something to play when I don't feel like playing Warframe or working through my backlog. I don't preorder, and I understand kickstarting anything is betting- not buying.


No, I stand by my first translation: you're eternally hopeful that the fool will somehow magicallly change hs behavior

Without a change in input, the fool is going to keep eating the massive amounts of food you left him to eat (manwhille, micromanaging everthing he touches to death). You still think that somehow , he's going to change his behavior THIS TIME!

The only way you can get a cohesive product from Chris is if you take him out of management - after twenty years runing his own studio (and only one shipped product), I would hope yoiu understand this?
 
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I'll give it a whirl and see how performance is on my hardware hopefully this weekend as well. 3.9 or 10 wasnt too bad performance wise but I didnt have time to do much. The others were a bit choppy since they increased player count on the servers again.

Most of us in this thread who have bought in knew exactly what we were putting money into and that is why there is little goading or argument from us. I'm not sorry I spent what I spent. I have enjoyed a lot of the releases and while I would love it to be completed I have also been critical of the mismanagement and problems. Though those issues are not surprising to me. So meh.

Some people are happy spending money on coffee or alcohol, or smokes for a short fix and cancer. I have spent spent less than they do in a month or two on a video game that has given me more return in the stable and enjoyable releases. Both could be considered pissing money away, just a different receptacle yet both sides are okay with their spending.
 

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I'll give it a whirl and see how performance is on my hardware hopefully this weekend as well. 3.9 or 10 wasnt too bad performance wise but I didnt have time to do much. The others were a bit choppy since they increased player count on the servers again.

Most of us in this thread who have bought in knew exactly what we were putting money into and that is why there is little goading or argument from us. I'm not sorry I spent what I spent. I have enjoyed a lot of the releases and while I would love it to be completed I have also been critical of the mismanagement and problems. Though those issues are not surprising to me. So meh.

Some people are happy spending money on coffee or alcohol, or smokes for a short fix and cancer. I have spent spent less than they do in a month or two on a video game that has given me more return in the stable and enjoyable releases. Both could be considered pissing money away, just a different receptacle yet both sides are okay with their spending.
"Star Citizen: At Least it Isn't Cancer"
 

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Translation: you're the kind of person who put up with shit from publishers, because you're used to it.

I also bet you were responsible for preprdering Cyberpunk and hen making it even wirse by not requesting a refund (thus making them nearly 1 billion in revenue last year)

https://arstechnica.com/gaming/2021...ds-barely-dented-cd-projekt-reds-bottom-line/

If you don't hold game companies to some standards, then we will never climb out of this shithole! You keep handing them money with "no strings attached," then they are going to contonue to taake advantage of you!

I shit on SC just as much as the next person with common sense, but I don't agree with this comparison. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk because I had faith in CDPR's past success, and I ended up with 60 hours of enjoyment (so far) from it. It has its quirks, but there's a whole bunch of context you're leaving out here.

SC quite literally has no 'past success', and I'm positive I don't need to go into that laundry list of reasons why it's a scam. You already know all of those.
 

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For those that are interested in the update 'shows' but without time, Noobifier has really quick summaries of what the various teams are working on, breaking hour long shows gown to less than 10 minutes. Great is you don't have the time to keep up with the discussions.
 

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For those that are interested in the update 'shows' but without time, Noobifier has really quick summaries of what the various teams are working on, breaking hour long shows gown to less than 10 minutes. Great is you don't have the time to keep up with the discussions.

I'd rather just take this much easier picture summary.

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The only people who think Star Citizen updates are worth discussing on long videos are TRUE BELIEVERS like yourself. The rest of us will be satisfied with immersion-breaking bugs like this:

https://v.redd.it/t27azqahb7v61/DASH_1080.mp4

And pilot-breaking exploding ships.
 

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I can't imagine that will last forever.

You'd be surprised.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adventism

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormons

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology

The number of kook religious cults out there is more than I can list on this page (and you'd be surprised how many are still standing today, there are two fucking competing post "The Great Disappointment" Adventists churches!)

As long as the current worshipers continue to convert others, this shit will never die - killing new controverts is the major reason I even post.
 
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Eventually this will make an interesting documentary to see how exactly they fooled so many gamers. And for so long.
 
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I can't even begin to imagine just how they are keeping funding at such a high level. At this point, who is left to throw millions at this game every month?
 

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For those that are interested in the update 'shows' but without time, Noobifier has really quick summaries of what the various teams are working on, breaking hour long shows gown to less than 10 minutes. Great is you don't have the time to keep up with the discussions.
Always liked his stuff. I skim through some of Bored gamers
 

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Well SC or CP games may get some money from me when it is a finished product. About the only game software I buy at launch or before is ID Software, they at least have a working game and bugs squashed, if any, rapidly. Otherwise I can wait 6 months to 2 years and get a better game in the end usually at a cheaper cost and enjoy it that much more. Of course there are exceptions, Microsoft Simulator I pre purchase and that is an amazing piece of software.
 

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I need to crew on a Hammerhead once, just to see how big it is. During the last big ship show I go on an 890 jump it took a while to figure out the layout- that thing is huge! My Penguin felt like a shotgun shack after being on it. Oh, I need to run around a Redeemer also, looks very Nostromo from the pics I've seen.
 
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