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Amazon still has it listed, but it's backordered to the middle of February.

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Awesome at least I have enough on order to keep customers happy now... Eventually. Thank you for the heads up.
 
I just got my 9800x3d build finished, first AMD after two decades of intel.

I ran prime 95 and the CPU is only going to 4.7-4.9ghz instead of 5.2. Is this normal behavior? I shouldn't have thermal throttling. The AIO is keeping temps around 76c.
 
I have a 13900k and a Z790 motherboard. I mostly play World if Warcraft and BG3

I've read that the 9800X3D is a huge upgrade in MMORPG 's over Intel, mainly in low frames that you might get 50-70fps with Intel will Joe get 120 fps on those heavy areas.

Is that true? And would I notice going to a 9800X3D from my 13900k?
 
I just picked up a 9800X3D last week but as my build is watercooled, its going to be a huge pain in the ass to switch out the motherboard, GPU etc. I'm not going to bother with all that until I can get ahold of the 5090 and a water block for it. I also haven't even bought the board yet. I'm pretty sure I'll be going with one of the higher end GIGABYTE offerings like the GIGABYTE X870E Aorus Extreme AI Top (stupid fucking naming convention), but I'm not 100% committed to that.
 
Dan_D said:
I just picked up a 9800X3D last week but as my build is watercooled, its going to be a huge pain in the ass to switch out the motherboard, GPU etc. I'm not going to bother with all that until I can get ahold of the 5090 and a water block for it. I also haven't even bought the board yet. I'm pretty sure I'll be going with one of the higher end GIGABYTE offerings like the GIGABYTE X870E Aorus Extreme AI Top (stupid fucking naming convention), but I'm not 100% committed to that.
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If you want to overclock it. Make sure to get one of the X870e motherboards that has an external clock generator. That way you can get that 9800x3d to 5.7-5.8ghz :) The 5090 from what it looks like could actually use a lil more grunt in the CPU.
 
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JCD3ntonX said:
I just got my 9800x3d build finished, first AMD after two decades of intel.

I ran prime 95 and the CPU is only going to 4.7-4.9ghz instead of 5.2. Is this normal behavior? I shouldn't have thermal throttling. The AIO is keeping temps around 76c.
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Yes it's normal your probably hitting CPU PPT(total socket limit) which includes the cores and memory controller . No game exists yet that will push all threads to 100% so enjoy it without trying to melt it.
 
Why is Cinebench the only thing that actually seems to warm up this CPU? When I run Prime or AIDA it just doesn't seem to load the CPU and the fans hardly spin.
 
Blackstone said:
Why is Cinebench the only thing that actually seems to warm up this CPU? When I run Prime or AIDA it just doesn't seem to load the CPU and the fans hardly spin.
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That doesn't make any sense P95 is the only thing that gets my cpu to 90c.
 
Zorachus said:
I have a 13900k and a Z790 motherboard. I mostly play World if Warcraft and BG3

I've read that the 9800X3D is a huge upgrade in MMORPG 's over Intel, mainly in low frames that you might get 50-70fps with Intel will Joe get 120 fps on those heavy areas.

Is that true? And would I notice going to a 9800X3D from my 13900k?
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For World of Warcraft the 9800X3D is pretty much the best upgrade you could get.

It's depressingly difficult to find actual WoW benchmarks these days, but in this case Intel themselves provided some helpful information:

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That Intel marketing slide compares a 13900K to a 5800X3D, and the 5800X3D was clearly faster. Intel definitely has no reason to exaggerate AMD's CPU performance so it's probably safe to assume the numbers are accurate. Not only that, but in the time since those numbers were posted (Shadowlands):
-Intel released microcode updates to fix 13 and 14-series reliability issues, and those updates reduce performance.
-Microsoft released Windows 11 24H2, which improves performance on newer Ryzen CPUs.

So the performance difference between the two CPUs would actually be larger now than what is seen in that graph. And that's just the lowly 5800X3D beating up on the 13900K. We know that the 9800X3D is quite a bit faster, especially due to having 3D cache AND fast clock-speed.

I personally upgraded from a 5800X3D to a 9800X3D a few months ago. Performance in places like Dornogal and during larger raids and big outdoor events absolutely increased. I can pretty much maintain my ~141 fps cap even in those situations now. With my 5800X3D I was often seeing GPU usage on my RTX 4080 FE in the 60% average range with spikes up to 70%. Now with the 9800X3D I'm seeing GPU usage closer to 80% with spikes into the low 90's. That's at 3840x1600 resolution (38" ultrawide) with max settings, but Ray Tracing disabled.

A 9800X3D would be a great way to start Season 2.
 
GotNoRice said:
For World of Warcraft the 9800X3D is pretty much the best upgrade you could get.

It's depressingly difficult to find actual WoW benchmarks these days, but in this case Intel themselves provided some helpful information:

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That Intel marketing slide compares a 13900K to a 5800X3D, and the 5800X3D was clearly faster. Intel definitely has no reason to exaggerate AMD's CPU performance so it's probably safe to assume the numbers are accurate. Not only that, but in the time since those numbers were posted (Shadowlands):
-Intel released microcode updates to fix 13 and 14-series reliability issues, and those updates reduce performance.
-Microsoft released Windows 11 24H2, which improves performance on newer Ryzen CPUs.

So the performance difference between the two CPUs would actually be larger now than what is seen in that graph. And that's just the lowly 5800X3D beating up on the 13900K. We know that the 9800X3D is quite a bit faster, especially due to having 3D cache AND fast clock-speed.

I personally upgraded from a 5800X3D to a 9800X3D a few months ago. Performance in places like Dornogal and during larger raids and big outdoor events absolutely increased. I can pretty much maintain my ~141 fps cap even in those situations now. With my 5800X3D I was often seeing GPU usage on my RTX 4080 FE in the 60% average range with spikes up to 70%. Now with the 9800X3D I'm seeing GPU usage closer to 80% with spikes into the low 90's. That's at 3840x1600 resolution (38" ultrawide) with max settings, but Ray Tracing disabled.

A 9800X3D would be a great way to start Season 2.
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World of Warcraft has always been a very CPU intensive game, more so than GPU. I may very well have started WoW on a Pentium 4! Then I went to Conroe Core 2 Duo, massive gains. Then more gains with every CPU upgrade since.
 
I just walked into my local Microcenter yesterday, grabbed a 9800X3D easy, tons of stock.
 
Well, I finally picked up a 9800X3D. I am not very impressed so far, its slower than my 13700K in everything I've tried, basically matches the 9700X. I'm not seeing this huge exaggerated boost that reviews all showed. Going to try 11 24H2 next just in case, because my B850 board has modules that only work in 24H2 like the Wifi and USB controller.
 
LigTasm said:
Well, I finally picked up a 9800X3D. I am not very impressed so far, its slower than my 13700K in everything I've tried, basically matches the 9700X. I'm not seeing this huge exaggerated boost that reviews all showed. Going to try 11 24H2 next just in case, because my B850 board has modules that only work in 24H2 like the Wifi and USB controller.
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For me, at least in World of Warcraft, I've seen a huge increase in the low fps, like the big city areas would get my i13900k down to the 50 to 70 frames per second, but the highs were always 200+ fps. Now with the 9800X3D same exact settings, in those city areas, I'm seeing 100 - 120 fps
 
Zorachus said:
For me, at least in World of Warcraft, I've seen a huge increase in the low fps, like the big city areas would get my i13900k down to the 50 to 70 frames per second, but the highs were always 200+ fps. Now with the 9800X3D same exact settings, in those city areas, I'm seeing 100 - 120 fps
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I'm seeing the exact opposite, like my 1% lows are 25% of what I get with my intel machine. I have a custom run through a very heavy CPU area in CP2077 and my 1% lows are 37 on the 9800X3D, on the Intel they're 113. Heck, ever my Ryzen 5 7600 eats its lunch in the 1% low department. I am not having a good time with this Gigabyte B850 board, so maybe thats the issue. I might try moving the chip to a different board and try again.
 
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have you remembered the chipset drivers?
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I've tried the old 2024 drivers from AMD and the newer ones from Gigabyte, no idea why AMD hasn't even updated their site to include B850 yet but its pretty normal for them to be behind the ball. I did a fresh install of Windows 11 24H2 and its so unstable I can't even get to display settings or click the start button, so I'm going to switch to a B650 board.
 
LigTasm said:
I've tried the old 2024 drivers from AMD and the newer ones from Gigabyte, no idea why AMD hasn't even updated their site to include B850 yet but its pretty normal for them to be behind the ball. I did a fresh install of Windows 11 24H2 and its so unstable I can't even get to display settings or click the start button, so I'm going to switch to a B650 board.
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Why would you switch to a B650 board when you can get an X670E for around $200?
 
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which driver though; included in box one, from board makers site, or from wifi maker? id look for updated ones from the wifi oem...
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I wasn’t able to find any. This one is the Realtek 8892, the only driver I can find was on the gigabyte site but I’m going to try it through the GCC, sometimes it has different stuff available since it’s more up to date than the site.
 
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92? i dont see a 92, but i see a 52...
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Whoops sorry, I remembered the number wrong. Its this: Realtek® Wi-Fi 7 RTL8922AE

I just re-did a fresh 11 24H2, did not do any drivers manually and used a USB wifi adapter to get the GCC and let that do the drivers, seems to have done the trick. Now everything is stable and updated, so I'm going to try the games again and see how it does. The wifi 7 does one thing right, transferring Steam games between my machines is super fast at ~2.5Gbps.
 
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Whoops sorry, I remembered the number wrong. Its this: Realtek® Wi-Fi 7 RTL8922AE

I just re-did a fresh 11 24H2, did not do any drivers manually and used a USB wifi adapter to get the GCC and let that do the drivers, seems to have done the trick. Now everything is stable and updated, so I'm going to try the games again and see how it does.
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there is a asus version of the driver from xmas day, but i do not see anything at all on realteks site, dummies....

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/...20241218R.zip?model=TUF GAMING X870-PLUS WIFI
 
So this is where I am right now, I've tried all sorts of combinations. In this case, to be honest is seems like ditching everything and keeping the 9700X is the best bet as far as my wallet is concerned considering I paid $229 for it.

I run my 60 second pass 3 times and then average the numbers logged by Intel Presentmon in my spreadsheet for each setup. Cyberpunk 2077 vanilla Ultra preset 1440p, no FG or upscaling enabled. With the 4090, none of these CPUs can keep the card at 99% in this area.

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What about actually playing the game? Do you feel a difference? If it is choppy as fuck then makes sense to ditch the 9800X3D and get a 13700K.
 
Could you guys live with these temps? This is PO -22+200 MHz. This is Furmark and Cinebench running together for worst case scenario. Cooler is Noctua DH15G2.

Bottom line, with 5090FE, CPU temps can get close to 90 and even exceed. GPU hits 600 watts, but GPU temps or throttling is a non-issue. The new FE cooler is brilliant at cooling the GPU. It is the CPU that is the problem. Most of time, CPU at 87ish.

At idle, CPU is like in the low to mid 30s. Wondering if I should repaste.

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Blackstone said:
Could you guys live with these temps? This is PO -22+200 MHz. This is Furmark and Cinebench running together for worst case scenario. Cooler is Noctua DH15G2.

Bottom line, with 5090FE, CPU temps can get close to 90 and even exceed. GPU hits 600 watts, but GPU temps or throttling is a non-issue. The new FE cooler is brilliant at cooling the GPU. It is the CPU that is the problem. Most of time, CPU at 87ish.

At idle, CPU is like in the low to mid 30s. Wondering if I should repaste.

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mid thirties is a fantastic idle temp for Zen 4/5

Low-mid 80's is about right for Cinibench. Edging towards 90 also sounds appropriate, with a 600 watt GPU dumping its heat directly into the CPU cooler. I'm sure your CPU temps while gaming are cool and quiet.

You could make a duct for the CPU to intake from the rear and have top and side exhaust.
 
I can live with it but the real question is can the cpu? Considering that's not a realistic load scenario it should be fine.156 watts and 90C is getting over my limit. I'd be looking at TDC and EDC with Ryzen Master to determine just how hard that board is pushing that cpu. I personally don't care much for Asus boards power limit schemas they push power limits too far I think. A lot of Intel cpu's would likely agree.
 
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