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For the sake making the AMD sourced slides easier to see at a glance:

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This is my next upgrade chip. The only drawback is the new motherboards are really expensive. But under $500 for the best gaming CPU on the market sounds like a must have for me!
 
Blackstone said:
Do I need EXPO ram for this or can I run XMP ram? I can’t seem to find an expo 64gb kit that is above DDR5 6000.
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This is usually depending on the mobo manufacturer. Gigabyte, Asus, ASRock... have their "XMP translator" that would allow you to select XMP profile on their AMD mobos. Eg: Asus call it D.O.C.P. when you have XMP kits installed.
 
Blackstone said:
Do I need EXPO ram for this or can I run XMP ram? I can’t seem to find an expo 64gb kit that is above DDR5 6000.
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Check the posted reviews for the modules that have references to what system the reviewer is using. Many XMP kits work on AMD systems. I've used a couple of them personally and had no issue.
Here is one where the first reviewer states it's working on a B650 with an 8700G. A bit pricey and exceeds your requirement but it should work. These appear to be Hynix M die which are purported to be some of the fastest DDR5 ICs.
 
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Hynix M-die is good for frequency with lower voltage. but not as good for low timings. Most of the sets past 8000 are probably M-die, now. Especially if they are more affordable.

Hynix A-die is good for low latency and mid-hi frequencies. Most sets between 7000 and 8000 are A-die. 7200 sets have a solid chance of overclocking to 8000. However, A-die can require more voltage.

6800 sets have a good chance of being A-die. But they could be a low bin M-die.

really low latency sets of 6000 are usually A-die.
 
from what I understand, the X3D chips aren't as memory-reliant. as long as the memory is 6GTs it should be fine.
 
Why are people so into the X3D CPU's? Unless you're gaming at 1080, there are better CPU's out there for the price. If you look at benchmarks at 1440P and 4K gaming, the 7800X3D isn't isn't even leading in half the games against even the 13700K.
 
El_Capitan said:
Why are people so into the X3D CPU's? Unless you're gaming at 1080, there are better CPU's out there for the price. If you look at benchmarks at 1440P and 4K gaming, the 7800X3D isn't isn't even leading in half the games against even the 13700K.
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It really just depends on what people play. It has been that case since the 5800X3D. Some games see no gain, some see a lot. Also who wants trashy Intel 13th/14th gen nowadays.
 
El_Capitan said:
Why are people so into the X3D CPU's? Unless you're gaming at 1080, there are better CPU's out there for the price. If you look at benchmarks at 1440P and 4K gaming, the 7800X3D isn't isn't even leading in half the games against even the 13700K.
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If you ever had one you would understand. It makes games that release in crappy condition with mass stutters a lot more bearable, think of Dragon's Dogma 2 or Elden Ring at launch. Yes an X3D will still have stutter, but instead of massive 100-150ms stutters and X3D will have 30-50ms stutters. Also generally X3D CPUs offer the best .1% and 1% lows.

When I went from an Intel 9900K to a 5800X3D the difference was about the same as going from a non-VRR display to a G-Sync display. The 7800X3D was even better. It will be interesting to see how the 9800X3D performs with .1% and 1% lows.
 
NightReaver said:
It really just depends on what people play. It has been that case since the 5800X3D. Some games see no gain, some see a lot, even at higher than 1080p. Also who wants trashy Intel 13th/14th gen nowadays.
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I'll take the trashy Intel 13th and 14th gen! Especially when people sell the 13600K's for $150 and the Z690 for $60.

It kind of makes sense if people are still playing at 1080P and they only have a 6700XT, but why not just upgrade the graphics card, instead? Wouldn't the FPS jump be more worthwhile?

Where it makes the most sense is if you're a competitive gamer trying to be an eSport champion, where you would want to stay at 1080P with low settings with a 4090 or 7900XT trying to maximize on the lowest input lag, high FPS and low 1% FPS and money was no option.
 
El_Capitan said:
Why are people so into the X3D CPU's? Unless you're gaming at 1080, there are better CPU's out there for the price. If you look at benchmarks at 1440P and 4K gaming, the 7800X3D isn't isn't even leading in half the games against even the 13700K.
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Top of the line gaming performance, cheaper than i9's/Ryzen 9's, sips power.

You can argue the points but those are why they sell.
 
LittleBuddy said:
If you ever had one you would understand. It makes games that release in crappy condition with mass stutters a lot more bearable, think of Dragon's Dogma 2 or Elden Ring at launch. Yes an X3D will still have stutter, but instead of massive 100-150ms stutters and X3D will have 30-50ms stutters. Also generally X3D CPUs offer the best .1% and 1% lows.

When I went from an Intel 9900K to a 5800X3D the difference was about the same as going from a non-VRR display to a G-Sync display. The 7800X3D was even better. It will be interesting to see how the 9800X3D performs with .1% and 1% lows.
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Maybe when the 7800X3D goes under $180, I would love to try it. I just don't game enough to justify it. It was either a 7800X3D and sticking with a GTX 1080 Ti, or a 13600K and an RTX 3080.
 
criccio said:
Top of the line gaming performance, cheaper than i9's/Ryzen 9's, sips power.

You can argue the points but those are why they sell.
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Yeah, I am liking the power efficiency of the X3D's, good point.
 
As already mentioned, many new games are released in a terribly optimized state and can benefit a great deal from an X3D CPU, even at 4K. Also, alphas like Star Citizen are massively CPU bound even at 4K.

Silly gamers, expecting a polished product from game studios!
 
arestavo said:
As already mentioned, many new games are released in a terribly optimized state and can benefit a great deal from an X3D CPU, even at 4K. Also, alphas like Star Citizen are massively CPU bound even at 4K.

Silly gamers, expecting a polished product from game studios!
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Even highly polished PC ports will be CPU bound, this is due to consoles now having Zen 2 level CPU performance so the actual CPU requirements in games have shot up compared to last gen where they had really low CPU performance Jaguar cores. The new Dragon Age game is highly praised by Digital Foundry for it's PC optimization, yet the game is still very CPU heavy and even at 4K you can run into CPU bound scenarios if you have a 4090. We're at the point where you can't blame a game for being CPU heavy down to "poor optimization" anymore.
 
El_Capitan said:
Why are people so into the X3D CPU's? Unless you're gaming at 1080, there are better CPU's out there for the price. If you look at benchmarks at 1440P and 4K gaming, the 7800X3D isn't isn't even leading in half the games against even the 13700K.
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What benchmarks are you looking at exactly? Feel free to post them. The only game I've seen where the 13700k even comes close to the 7800X3D is some spider-man game that I don't think anyone really cares about.

If your argument is that the CPU isn't faster once you introduce GPU bottlenecks, that's not really an argument. That's like saying that a Lamborghini and a Honda Civic are the same speed on the freeway during stop-and-go traffic - we know. That's WHY they do CPU benchmarks at low resolutions. It's not because those benchmarks are aimed at people who only play games at those resolutions, it's because we want to know how the CPUs perform when they are not being artificially held back by something unrelated to the CPU.
 
GotNoRice said:
What benchmarks are you looking at exactly? Feel free to post them. The only game I've seen where the 13700k even comes close to the 7800X3D is some spider-man game that I don't think anyone really cares about.

If your argument is that the CPU isn't faster once you introduce GPU bottlenecks, that's not really an argument. That's like saying that a Lamborghini and a Honda Civic are the same speed on the freeway during stop-and-go traffic - we know. That's WHY they do CPU benchmarks at low resolutions. It's not because those benchmarks are aimed at people who only play games at those resolutions, it's because we want to know how the CPUs perform when they are not being artificially held back by something unrelated to the CPU.
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Gamers Nexus, pretty much back and forth vs the 13700K.

View: https://youtu.be/B31PwSpClk8?si=75iYSe4vgmCV3ktC

In this one, 7800X3D wins in all the games at 1440P, but only by 2-4 FPS.

View: https://youtu.be/BKpVBCFxutM?si=9VUn63jdkpXSoMBE
 
arestavo said:
Heh. Sure, that's a partially bottlenecked result, looking at 1440P. 720P or 1080P is better - https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-ryzen-7-7800x3d/18.html

And why is that? Because it illustrates the CPU differences (and it matters a lot if you keep your hardware for many years EDIT - and if you play unoptimized games that struggle bus with the CPU).
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I don't play at 1080 or 4K right now, so looking at benchmarks for anything other than 1440P makes no sense, bottleneck or not.

You can save money and upgrade faster than you normally would by not "future-proofing". As we all should know by now, you don't future-proof by any longer than 3-4 years.
 
El_Capitan said:
I don't play at 1080 or 4K right now, so looking at benchmarks for anything other than 1440P makes no sense, bottleneck or not.

You can save money and upgrade faster than you normally would by not "future-proofing". As we all should know by now, you don't future-proof by any longer than 3-4 years.
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You do you - but there's a reason why professionals benchmark at 720P and 1080P.

Also, this is the HardForum, not the 6th Best Forum.
 
El_Capitan said:
I don't play at 1080 or 4K right now, so looking at benchmarks for anything other than 1440P makes no sense, bottleneck or not.

You can save money and upgrade faster than you normally would by not "future-proofing". As we all should know by now, you don't future-proof by any longer than 3-4 years.
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My buddy who bought an X570 board back in 2019 and dropped in a 5800X3D in 2022 would disagree ;)
 
arestavo said:
You do you - but there's a reason why professionals benchmark at 720P and 1080P.

Also, this is the HardForum, not the 6th Best Forum.
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Professionals, you mean people that get paid to get people to buy products they don't need? Yeah, I'd rather not be called a professional, then. All you need is logic and common sense. I game at 1440P, the difference between a $400 7800X3D and a $150 13600K at 1440P is 3-7 FPS when they are both at stock, except my 13600K is overclocked to 5.7GHz, so the FPS difference is a lot less, or even better on the 13600K side. With that $250 in savings got me upgraded from a GTX 1080 Ti to a RTX 3080. FPS difference is ~45 FPS average depending on the game.

In terms of overall performance, the 7800X3D is 6th best. The only thing it wins is 1080P gaming. However, like others pointed out, power consumption is much better. I'm not knocking you down, so why are you actively trying to demean me for no other reason that I'm not a fanboi like you?
 
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My buddy who bought an X570 board back in 2019 and dropped in a 5800X3D in 2022 would disagree ;)
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But the 5800X3D was released in 2022. Okay, I concede in one regard, the AM4 motherboards and Intel 600 series motherboards were/are great future-proofed motherboards.
 
El_Capitan said:
But the 5800X3D was released in 2022. Okay, I concede in one regard, the AM4 motherboards and Intel 600 series motherboards were/are great future-proofed motherboards.
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Yes but it's already been 2 years and it will easily hold up for another 2 years and possibly longer depending on how Zen 6 does. The potential for the 5800X3D to be future proof beyond 4 years is not far fetched at all, while the motherboard will be in use for like 8 years which is pretty wild.
 
El_Capitan said:
Professionals, you mean people that get paid to get people to buy products they don't need? Yeah, I'd rather not be called a professional, then. All you need is logic and common sense. I game at 1440P, the difference between a $400 7800X3D and a $150 13600K at 1440P is 3-7 FPS when they are both at stock, except my 13600K is overclocked to 5.7GHz, so the FPS difference is a lot less, or even better on the 13600K side. With that $250 in savings got me upgraded from a GTX 1080 Ti to a RTX 3080. FPS difference is ~45 FPS average depending on the game.

In terms of overall performance, the 7800X3D is 6th best. The only thing it wins is 1080P gaming. However, like others pointed out, power consumption is much better. I'm not knocking you down, so why are you actively trying to demean me for no other reason that I'm not a fanboi like you?
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Sticks and stones, my boy. Grow up.
 
El_Capitan said:
Would pretty much know you'd keep your mouth shut if you were facing me like a man.
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It's amazing how people like you become so immature when they get proven wrong by multiple people. Maybe you should focus more on learning instead of getting offended.
 
GotNoRice said:
It's amazing how people like you become so immature when they get proven wrong by multiple people. Maybe you should focus more on learning instead of getting offended.
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I wasn't proven wrong, and resorting to ad hominem attacks just proves my point. Thanks again for trying.
 
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