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[learners permit]

Yes, air-cooled with a peerless assassin. Playing City Skylines II I get into the 60's, idles ~40. Cinebench 2024 was in the 80's (Tctl/Tdie).

Anyone running one of these guys on Windows 10? How is your experience. Windows 11 is buggy ass hell for me (fresh install).

Yea I am and no issues so far on 10. Haven't fussed with it much lately though since I can't play Stalker 2 because of the key bind limitations. Been using my secondary rig more to set up a guest gaming box with a Quest 3 for visitors/ friends to try out VR for the first time.

 

[pendragon1]

Noctua D15S Chromax Black with a 120mm fan added. I am using a graphene pad instead of paste, which I used with the last CPU and that one never got over mid 70's (Intel 10900X)

its not mounted right or you pad is f'd.

 

[arestavo]

Noctua D15S Chromax Black with a 120mm fan added. I am using a graphene pad instead of paste, which I used with the last CPU and that one never got over mid 70's (Intel 10900X)

Thanks, I will look at that. Edit: You mean the curve optimizer correct?

I had some incorrect sensors selected on my Chassis fan's in Fan Xpert inside Armoury Crate (mobo not yet supported by Fan Control). Re-did the fan curves a little plus corrected the sensor selections, and now playing the same game I am seeing 84.6C after some time playing. So already a good improvement.

My next thought was to go back to thermal paste, but really like using the graphene pads if I can get temps down to mid 70's, I will stick with it.

Any chance that the pad is installed the wrong way? IIRC, those only have proper heat dissipation one way.

 

[GoodBoy]

I'm not aware that the heat transfer is one directional.

It's a fresh brand new pad too, but that shouldn't matter.

Played Cyberpunk 2077 for about 20 minutes earlier, it only got up to 79.4C. I made a few more tweaks to the Fan Xpert settings, changed it from CPU to CPU Package on the sensor selection.
A friend is installing one tonight, he is using paste, and he is going to test the same game and check temps. I am still thinking I need to use paste, but I also still need to try the PBO adjustments. Right now it's 100% stock settings.

There is a chance that the pad got a bit offcenter before the heatsink was secured, I will double check it.

 

[sk3tch]

I'm not aware that the heat transfer is one directional.

It's a fresh brand new pad too, but that shouldn't matter.

Played Cyberpunk 2077 for about 20 minutes earlier, it only got up to 79.4C. I made a few more tweaks to the Fan Xpert settings, changed it from CPU to CPU Package on the sensor selection.
A friend is installing one tonight, he is using paste, and he is going to test the same game and check temps. I am still thinking I need to use paste, but I also still need to try the PBO adjustments. Right now it's 100% stock settings.

There is a chance that the pad got a bit offcenter before the heatsink was secured, I will double check it.

That's normal. I will hit 85C in Fortnite sometimes...I just have a crappy NZXT 280MM AIO with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut.

Another funny "stability test" I have found is downloading a game with the Epic Games client. They use some crazy compression algorithms or something - always makes my CPU smoke and it will make any issues apparent right away!

 

[Epos7]

Mine finally shipped from Amazon. Ordered November 12. New shipments must have arrived this week.

 

[Zorachus]

For gaming like WoW with Ultra settings and 8xAA, and Diablo IV and PoE 2, would the 9800X3D be worth upgrading from my current i13900K, or not much of gaming difference?

 

[1.1.2.3.5...]

For gaming like WoW with Ultra settings and 8xAA, and Diablo IV and PoE 2, would the 9800X3D be worth upgrading from my current i13900K, or not much of gaming difference?

Most of the time your money is better spent of the GPU.

 

[techie81]

From what I remember wow benefits from a faster CPU. I came from a 5900X and I have seen notable increases in several games and I am also running cooler. So, I think it would be worth it but I also had the upgrade itch

 

[arestavo]

For gaming like WoW with Ultra settings and 8xAA, and Diablo IV and PoE 2, would the 9800X3D be worth upgrading from my current i13900K, or not much of gaming difference?

Depends on the game / game resolution.

1080P? Yeah, there will be a significant uplift.

4K? Probably not much in those titles that you listed. Maybe with WoW, if there are spots where you get less than 99% GPU utilization - as I hear that it's still fairly CPU bound (I've not played since WoTLK).

 

[undertaker2k8]

Finally put together my 9800x3d system with a 670e tuf and 64 gb 6000 Viper ram, was able to get 13 ssds running on it (8x sata with a 4x pcie to sata card), 5x nvme (1 via a pcie to m2 adapter), ended up keeping my Antec 1100 v2 case. Just enabled PBO (no other tweaks) and EXPO settings for memory, CPU seems to be hovering between 5.2-5.4.

Reinstalled drivers but same windows install, too lazy for an OS reinstall lol.

On a side note, my 5900x system is up on FS..

 

[Skyblue]

13 ssds?

 

[1.1.2.3.5...]

13 ssds?

 

[GoodBoy]

Anyone air-cooling a 9800x3d, what max temps are you seeing?

Mine hit 96C playing Marvel Rivals.

[I'm using a thermalright graphene pad instead of paste]

I'm not aware that the heat transfer is one directional.

It's a fresh brand new pad too, but that shouldn't matter.

Played Cyberpunk 2077 for about 20 minutes earlier, it only got up to 79.4C. I made a few more tweaks to the Fan Xpert settings, changed it from CPU to CPU Package on the sensor selection.
A friend is installing one tonight, he is using paste, and he is going to test the same game and check temps. I am still thinking I need to use paste, but I also still need to try the PBO adjustments. Right now it's 100% stock settings.

There is a chance that the pad got a bit offcenter before the heatsink was secured, I will double check it.

After the above last update, used Ryzen Master to set -20. Stability test passed, so applied setting, rebooted. Everything played fine, temps were lower.
Next tried -30 (All-core Ryzen master setting. Curve Optimizer all-core "CO All Core Value").

Played a few hours of Cyberpunk 2077, max CPU temp was 57C.

And that is running the 9800x3d, air cooled with the older model Noctua D15S Chromax Black with an additional 120mm Noctua fan added. Have to use this cpu cooler as the newer model was 3 or 4 mm too tall for my case. But with these temps I am really happy with it.

The -40 CO All Core Value passed the quick validation test, but -50 bluescreened windows. I haven't applied and tested -40 yet. But at -30 the temps are great, so may just stick with this.

 

[sk3tch]

[I'm using a thermalright graphene pad instead of paste]

After the above last update, used Ryzen Master to set -20. Stability test passed, so applied setting, rebooted. Everything played fine, temps were lower.
Next tried -30 (All-core Ryzen master setting. Curve Optimizer all-core "CO All Core Value").

Played a few hours of Cyberpunk 2077, max CPU temp was 57C.

And that is running the 9800x3d, air cooled with the older model Noctua D15S Chromax Black with an additional 120mm Noctua fan added. Have to use this cpu cooler as the newer model was 3 or 4 mm too tall for my case. But with these temps I am really happy with it.

The -40 CO All Core Value passed the quick validation test, but -50 bluescreened windows. I haven't applied and tested -40 yet. But at -30 the temps are great, so may just stick with this.

Try something more CPU demanding

 

[KickAssCop]

Yeah mine craps out at -25 so I am stuck at -20 all core. Also reason why I am not pushing it harder as the extra MHz do nothing for gaming except create some higher temps and some noise.

 

[undertaker2k8]

Accumulated over time, 10 TB in NVME, 8.5 TB in SATA. One thing I noticed is that some of my m2s are slightly bent when installed (didn't put the additional rubber pad in for single sided ssds) so eased off the heatsink screws a bit. Anyone else noticed this?
Bumped the CPU to +100 in override and -10 CO, should be fine for now.

 

[GoodBoy]

Try something more CPU demanding

71C after a single core cpu bench then the multicore bench. Not bad really.

 

[sk3tch]

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71C after a single core cpu bench then the multicore bench. Not bad really.

Yeah that’s really good

 

[undertaker2k8]

Seems like a bit of m2 bend is a common problem, not going to worry too much about it for now besides loosening the m2 hs screws, all seem to be performing fine:

 

[GoodBoy]

What's a good result on the 4090 cinebench?

Got 34021 on the GPU, and re-ran the multi-core CPU test. it scored a little lower, but I was using my pc to do some other small tasks at the same time. It got 1141 multi-core on the other run, and 123 single core.

But everything is stable, this is with -30 on the Ryzen Master PBO -> All Cores -> CO All Core Value

Edit: And I am still on Windows 11 23H2, MS hasn't pushed it to my pc yet. I guess I could go to the website and directly update it...

 

[undertaker2k8]

Curious but anyone using the iGPU + discrete GPU? Technically don't see why it shouldn't work though I don't think I need it for my triple monitor setup connected to the 4080s.

 

[sk3tch]

Curious but anyone using the iGPU + discrete GPU? Technically don't see why it shouldn't work though I don't think I need it for my triple monitor setup connected to the 4080s.

I disable mine across all of my rigs. Just one more driver I don't need.

 

[arestavo]

Curious but anyone using the iGPU + discrete GPU? Technically don't see why it shouldn't work though I don't think I need it for my triple monitor setup connected to the 4080s.

I'm using the 9800X3D's iGPU for Dolby Atmos audio out to my receiver. Headless. The 4090 FE used as an audio source has had issues since day 1 (2 years now) with Dolby Atmos going robotic, dropping out, or doubling in volume multiple times a day. Same issue even after an RMA, so it's a baked in hardware or driver issue. Having an iGPU that can do it without issue has been a Godsend.

No driver issues, and I do have the latest Nvida and AMD GPU drivers installed. The only thing that I have to work around is when leaving the PC on overnight and powering up the TV (used as a monitor) and then the receiver, windows likes moving some open windows over to the headless output. Windows key + arrow keys moves them back when I've got them selected via taskbar/alt tab.

 

[GotNoRice]

Curious but anyone using the iGPU + discrete GPU? Technically don't see why it shouldn't work though I don't think I need it for my triple monitor setup connected to the 4080s.

I am using it. I run 6 monitors. My 4080 only supports 4. The iGPU works fine connected to the remaining two monitors. With my previous 5800X3D I had a GTX750ti in there to perform that task, but it's nice to be able to free up the PCIe slot.

There are no driver issues having NVidia and AMD drivers installed at the same time. Ironically, you can have Nvidia and AMD drivers installed at the same time but you can't have two different Nvidia drivers installed at the same time (meaning if you have two Nvidia cards installed, they need to be supported by the same driver).

 

[undertaker2k8]

Yeah I am going to keep mine enabled ^ Upped the OC to +200 Mhz with a -20 CO, seems fine. Only part I don't like about the new system is the Mediatek wifi chip on TUF 670E that is limited to 80 Mhz, clear downgrade from the 160 Mhz Intel chip on it's predecessor, the TUF X570 Pro, relevant since I use 6E wireless on my desktop, though since effective throughput is still 640 mbps+, not a huge concern atm. Atleast the board was cheap ($150 for used like new ).

 

[Niner]

I disable mine across all of my rigs. Just one more driver I don't need.

I agree with you and have done the same.

 

[sk3tch]

I am using it. I run 6 monitors. My 4080 only supports 4. The iGPU works fine connected to the remaining two monitors. With my previous 5800X3D I had a GTX750ti in there to perform that task, but it's nice to be able to free up the PCIe slot.

There are no driver issues having NVidia and AMD drivers installed at the same time. Ironically, you can have Nvidia and AMD drivers installed at the same time but you can't have two different Nvidia drivers installed at the same time (meaning if you have two Nvidia cards installed, they need to be supported by the same driver).

*most of the time

Where you need to worry is precisely why you need to be careful with clean uninstalls and installs - X3D. Thankfully the 9800X3D is “easier” than the nightmare dual CCD 7950X3D but still.

Not worth leaving performance on the table.

If you have a use case then sure - but just check twice.

 

[KickAssCop]

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71C after a single core cpu bench then the multicore bench. Not bad really.

That seems like a pretty low score though…

 

[MistaSparkul]

That seems like a pretty low score though…

That is a low score, I'm at -20 instead of -30 and mine scores 1362 in multicore. Not running the latest Win 11 is probably what's hurting it.

 

[GoodBoy]

I patched to 24H2 last night. I'll run it again.

 

[GoodBoy]

patched to 24H2, changed it to -20 allcore offset. Temp is a little higher 77.5C, but score basically the same:. the GPU score is higher by less than 3%

I think it's my ram speed/timings I bought the 8000 set, and after I built it I read that the higher speed runs at half the multiplier or something to that effect. idc if it doesn't hurt gaming perf. but if lowering the ram speed improves gaming perf them I'd do it. Need to find that speed to performance info again...

 

[MistaSparkul]

I should clarify that my R24 multi core score isn't just with CO set to -20, but also with the clock override set to the max value of +200Mhz. It's probably not worth it though because the max temp will shoot up to 86C and this is with a 360 AIO.

 

[sk3tch]

patched to 24H2, changed it to -20 allcore offset. Temp is a little higher 77.5C, but score basically the same:. the GPU score is higher by less than 3%
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I think it's my ram speed/timings I bought the 8000 set, and after I built it I read that the higher speed runs at half the multiplier or something to that effect. idc if it doesn't hurt gaming perf. but if lowering the ram speed improves gaming perf them I'd do it. Need to find that speed to performance info again...

We’ve been tweaking mem with 9800X3D over here! https://hardforum.com/threads/9800x3d-memory-overclocking.2037978/

 

[arestavo]

Yeah, stock voltage seems quite high. I've seen spikes over 1.31V. I've manually set mine to 1.23V (droops to 1.194V under Cinebench R23 multicore) with a manual 5.4GHz clock and it's better on thermals. Averages around 75C under AIDA64 CPU stress testing with my Arctic Freezer 2 420.

 

[GoodBoy]

I should clarify that my R24 multi core score isn't just with CO set to -20, but also with the clock override set to the max value of +200Mhz. It's probably not worth it though because the max temp will shoot up to 86C and this is with a 360 AIO.

Yes, thanks for the clarification. Very relevant. I am air-cooled on the older Noctua, only one that will fit my case. So my performance is probably in-line with what it should hit. I might try the +200 and see what temps I get during a cinebench run, do a few game benchmarks. But I prefer max temps to stay in the 70's.

 

[MistaSparkul]

Yes, thanks for the clarification. Very relevant. I am air-cooled on the older Noctua, only one that will fit my case. So my performance is probably in-line with what it should hit. I might try the +200 and see what temps I get during a cinebench run, do a few game benchmarks. But I prefer max temps to stay in the 70's.

Yeah might as well do it for some benchmarking fun, but I think for gaming it's just not worth the temperature increase in return for a few more fps that I wouldn't ever notice. Gonna revert it back once I'm home today.

 

[StoleMyOwnCar]

Wait, so these at stock settings will be hitting 95+ on a decent dual tower air cooler when just gaming...? I know you all are lowering messing with the PBO (as I understand it) to cope, but that's still not a great look imo.

 

[pendragon1]

Wait, so these at stock settings will be hitting 95+ on a decent dual tower air cooler when just gaming...? I know you all are lowering messing with the PBO (as I understand it) to cope, but that's still not a great look imo.

the chips are designed to run up to that temp, its normal, just not what "we" prefer. it could be running cooler, which is why it was suggested to remount and/or try paste...

 

[MistaSparkul]

Wait, so these at stock settings will be hitting 95+ on a decent dual tower air cooler when just gaming...? I know you all are lowering messing with the PBO (as I understand it) to cope, but that's still not a great look imo.

Uhhh no?